Haste cleric vs Faithful heals...

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

hello, im wondering what is better as main healer for group play. i really love the haste cleric but doesnt seem as useful as a main healer. im a AC and my loadout is Divine Glow, BoH, Healing Word, Divine Fortune and last passive i switch around as needed. My dailies r Anointed Army and again last one i switch out as needed. any feedback would be greatly appreciated on which is better for main healer. thxs!

instynctive · February 2016

My Virtuous DC heals as well as a Faithful, and buffs as well as a Righteous..

And yet is still pigeonholed as a "haste cleric".

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

instynctive said:
My Virtuous DC heals as well as a Faithful, and buffs as well as a Righteous..

And yet is still pigeonholed as a "haste cleric".

ok thxs, ya i love the buffs and the ability to really contribute to peoples dmg with the haste cleric. but at the same time i dont wanna lack the heals as main healer and have my team wipe. thxs for the input!

bitt3rnightmar3 · February 2016

If you've got lower power/crit and recovery being a Virtuous healer can be a little less powerful than a faithful healer's clutch heal but it greatly improves with more stats and gear.

I personally haven't had a problem since I got my stats sorted out. I play an AC Virtuous Haste Cleric as my main. I'm all virtuous with 15 points in righteous tree. I use Annointed Armor and Hastening Light or sometimes Light of Divinity. (I've rather grown to like the auto divinity generation with the artifact feature).

If you're talking about a 'haste cleric' I'm not sure what feat tree you're using as any of them can have gift of haste with 15 points in the virtuous tree.

It's kinda hard to troubleshoot the problem without knowing more.

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

bitt3rnightmar3 said:
If you've got lower power/crit and recovery being a Virtuous healer can be a little less powerful than a faithful healer's clutch heal but it greatly improves with more stats and gear.

I personally haven't had a problem since I got my stats sorted out. I play an AC Virtuous Haste Cleric as my main. I'm all virtuous with 15 points in righteous tree. I use Annointed Armor and Hastening Light or sometimes Light of Divinity. (I've rather grown to like the auto divinity generation with the artifact feature).

If you're talking about a 'haste cleric' I'm not sure what feat tree you're using as any of them can have gift of haste with 15 points in the virtuous tree.

It's kinda hard to troubleshoot the problem without knowing more.

im useing haste cleric, with most points in virtuous tree, so more so im HoT based heals when running my haste. otherwise was useing faithful cleric. but maybe its just about the point allocation, thxs ill give that a try. at the time i was only in the 1k range. hit 2006gs now so might be better. ill give it another try, thxs for ur feedback!

foxxy · February 2016

Faithful cleric doesnt have multi heals like virtuous does. And virtuous dc heals better. The only good heal in faithful is the gift, which does heal for a huge amount. While virtuous if u have good Power, crit and healing boosts + purity feat, all ur sources can heal for more than 80k, sometimes 150k in more than 5 ticks.

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

foxxycleopatra said:
Faithful cleric doesnt have multi heals like virtuous does. And virtuous dc heals better. The only good heal in faithful is the gift, which does heal for a huge amount. While virtuous if u have good Power, crit and healing boosts + purity feat, all ur sources can heal for more than 80k, sometimes 150k in more than 5 ticks.

ok awsome, thxs ^_^

jazzfong · February 2016

If you have sufficient high hp go for virtuous, if u need clutch heals go for faithful. Virtuous is more superior in pve environment since no healing depression is applied. Faithful can be built (and usually is built) into hybrid tank healer and is more superior in pvp content. If you have a good network connection go for virtuous, else faithful.

ps: V/F can buff as well as righteous if they spent a 15 points into righteous tree, but they lose to righteous in terms of debuff magnitude, dps and flexibility. I recommend you to go full righteous and use healing powers when needed, still, managed to run things smoothly unless your team is too weak or not in the right draft.

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

jazzfong said:
If you have sufficient high hp go for virtuous, if u need clutch heals go for faithful. Virtuous is more superior in pve environment since no healing depression is applied. Faithful can be built (and usually is built) into hybrid tank healer and is more superior in pvp content. If you have a good network connection go for virtuous, else faithful.

ps: V/F can buff as well as righteous if they spent a 15 points into righteous tree, but they lose to righteous in terms of debuff magnitude, dps and flexibility. I recommend you to go full righteous and use healing powers when needed, still, managed to run things smoothly unless your team is too weak or not in the right draft.

ok nice good to know, thxs!... ya im going for all radiant enchantments and mostly running virtuous again atm thxs to everyones helpful info. thxs all!

rapo973 · February 2016

I can share my point of view as PvE AC V-DC (so I will not consider the faithful path).
I've used the follwoing buid for some months when I was in the range between 2.2K - 2.7K and heals/protection were a must to complete the T2 dungeons:
http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/dc?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13ix105:1z0z0zv:1000000:1500000&h=0&p=anc

It's a 95% pure virtuous build: powerful heals (with healer's lore rk4), GoH and some defense buff: lasting whishes + Blessing of battle + battle fervor (the overall effect with rk 4 Blessing of Battle is more or less the same given by the DO foresight + some power buff). Rotation: BoH, HW, DG/AShield

The game changed in the meanwhile and I've respecced to include more righteous in my build. The following is a quite common build for Virtuous clerics today. It decreases the amount of heals, but it increase the buff and the AP recovery:
http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/dc?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13ix605:150z0z1:1000000:150uu00&h=0&p=anc
(some prefer cleasing fire or different heroic feats, but then we enter in another kind of discussion).

Concerning the main stats to be increased, there are two schools:
1) power + crit (Wisdom + Strength)
2) power + recovery (Wisdom + Charisma)

I've chosen nr 2, mainly because I want faster rotations and more AP gain to increase the haste rate and my AP recovery, but in terms of pure healing/damage power, nr 1 is better. In two words, it's up to you and your playstyle.
At higher level (> 2.7k), I run my cleric using holy fervor (increasing my ap gain) and Divine fortune (stacking divinity faster). Rotation: DG, BoH (to haste), BtS.
Blessing of Battle for an AC DC virtuous is a must (increase defense and power buff).

Please be aware that as soon as you progress with your cleric and you start playing with strong parties, the amount of heals needed decreases drammatically. That's why many high end clerics go righteous or - as my case - I put some righteous feats in my virtuous build.

rebeccacoldsteel · February 2016

rapo973 said:
I can share my point of view as PvE AC V-DC (so I will not consider the faithful path).
I've used the follwoing buid for some months when I was in the range between 2.2K - 2.7K and heals/protection were a must to complete the T2 dungeons:
http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/dc?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13ix105:1z0z0zv:1000000:1500000&h=0&p=anc

It's a 95% pure virtuous build: powerful heals (with healer's lore rk4), GoH and some defense buff: lasting whishes + Blessing of battle + battle fervor (the overall effect with rk 4 Blessing of Battle is more or less the same given by the DO foresight + some power buff). Rotation: BoH, HW, DG/AShield

The games changed in the meanwhile and I've respecced to include more righteous in my build. The following is a quite common build for Virtuous clerics today. It decreases the amount of heals, but it increase the buff and the AP recovery:
http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/dc?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13ix605:150z0z1:1000000:150uu00&h=0&p=anc
(some prefer cleasing fire or different heroic feats, but then we enter in another kind of discussion).

Concerning the main stats to be increased, there are two schools:
1) power + crit (Wisdom + Strength)
2) power + recovery (Wisdom + Charisma)

I've chosen nr 2, mainly because I want faster rotations and more AP gain to increase the haste rate and my AP recovery, but in terms of pure healing/damage power, nr 1 is better. In two words, it's up to you and your playstyle.
At higher level (> 2.7k), I run my cleric using holy fervor (increasing my ap gain) and Divine fortune (stacking divinity faster). Rotation: DG, BoH (to haste), BtS.
Blessing of Battle for an AC DC virtuous is a must (increase defense and power buff).

Please be aware that as soon as you progress with your cleric and you start playing with strong parties, the amount of heals needed decreases drammatically. That's why many high end clerics go righteous or - as my case - I put some righteous feats in my virtuous build.

ok ill give all that a look over, thxs alot!

bitt3rnightmar3 · February 2016

If you're looking to be a primary healer in a dungeon/PVE setting I'd stay virtuous.

I'm at around 20k power now this is the build I'm currently running. I'm at around 40% crit chance with as much crit severity as I can have. I'm at around 50% recharge speed increase with recovery.

http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/dc?b=23ci:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,1xi3605:150z0uv:1000000:150uu00&h=0&p=anc

I did not take the heroic feat for increase recovery since recovery is pretty cheap stat wise. 200/1% ration.

Also- what @rapo973 said was pretty spot on.

I went with Wisdom and Strength~ since I find recovery pretty easy to stack.

nosimo · February 2016

The notion that virtuous doesn't have clutch heals is wrong. A couple smacks of divine boh or an empowered cast will bring anyone back to full. Also 5 points in goh for faithful or righteous does not give the same benefits as a full virtuous build.

putzboy78 · February 2016

by clutch heals they are talking about a passive heal that instantly takes someone from near death to full health and therefore is there in the "clutch " situation between cooldowns. Faithful still rains supreme for ensuring noone dies.... ever at low ilvls. As you get higher crit severity/crit chance/power virtuous keeping HOTs going can have a similar effect but at low ilvls virtuous cannot keep up with Faithful in terms of providing that last minute healing. In any case with the current state of the game faithful is probably not necessary in PVE because everyone is overpowered thanks to the guild boons and to many 2xRP weekends. That was not the case in early mod 6 when every DC was going full faithful/haste.

rapo973 · February 2016

nosimo said:
Also 5 points in goh for faithful or righteous does not give the same benefits as a full virtuous build.

That's for sure, but that's not the point. The benefit should be evaluated from a different point of view: does your party need such a kind of benefit?
Everyone loves APs, but very often it's more effective to buff the party than spamming heals and APs.
I still run my virtuous build because the teams I play with are quite different: sometimes they need haste, sometimes they need buff/debuff, sometimes they need heals, sometimes they need a mix of everything.
As a pure support class, I use to help my low IL guildies to run dungeons and in that case a full healer/AP/AA spammer is often the best.
That's why I decided to keep a degree of flexibility.

bitt3rnightmar3 · February 2016

rapo973 said:

nosimo said:
Also 5 points in goh for faithful or righteous does not give the same benefits as a full virtuous build.
That's for sure, but that's not the point. The benefit should be evaluated from a different point of view: does your party need such a kind of benefit?
Everyone loves APs, but very often it's more effective to buff the party than spamming heals and APs.
I still run my virtuous build because the teams I play with are quite different: sometimes they need haste, sometimes they need buff/debuff, sometimes they need heals, sometimes they need a mix of everything.
As a pure support class, I use to help my low IL guildies to run dungeons and in that case a full healer/AP/AA spammer is often the best.
That's why I decided to keep a degree of flexibility.

Seems you and I share this philosophy @rapo973

nosimo · February 2016

You missed my point...a full virtuous build doesn't need to spam heals to give gift of haste, they can do it while buffing.

rapo973 · February 2016

nosimo said:
You missed my point...a full virtuous build doesn't need to spam heals to give gift of haste, they can do it while buffing.

That's true anyway without being a full virtuous: some righteous clerics have GoH, just use DG or whatever trigger a HoT and you're done. The problem is the amount of GoH needed: only when the need is high the full virtuous build is more effective.

And I'm telling this as a virtuous dc: today I don't need to use GoH as at the beginning of Mod 6. Currently just one power that trigger GoH is enough with many teams I play with. That's not true anymore with pugs/low IL teams.
Imo we can spend days talking about GoH, but at the end if you find a suitable way to use it, that's ok regardless you're a virtuous or not.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm only saying that GoH is quite situational. A cleric should be smart enough to understand how the team playa and adapt the playstyle accordingly. There's no "one way only" when you play a cleric.

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