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Zax backlog coming back after todays patch?

warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
edited February 2016 in General Discussion (PC)
removeing wards from tradebar store is horrible idea this will make zax reach cap again in less then few weeks making them bop last time had similar effects its on 418 already lol looks like we will have it on 500 by the end of day
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  • throsbithrosbi Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    you should read up a bit on how economy works. nothing more than artificial inflation happening here. the sky is falling attitude and speculators. Wait a few more days like say a week or so and see how things work out. My prediction it will be around 375 in a week or two. I can also tell you it will be sunny on day next week. ;)
  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    The only reason the ZAX ended up with a bad backlog was because back then, tons upon tons of AD was being generated by bots. Not just AD sellers - people who were otherwise legit players were bottling. That's no longer an issue with Leadership AD removed.

    The removal of Coal wards caused a jump in Zen price because people had advanced warning. Everyone was buying up as much zen as possible to get as many coal wards as they could from keys. That's all. Now that they're gone, the zen price will drop again.

    It's kind of like when the Nightmare mounts were dropping from lock boxes at a highly inflated rate. The ZAX abruptly leapt to the max because everyone was buying keys before it could be fixed. It settled back down after the issue was resolved. That's all that's happening.
  • flambridgeflambridge Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 191 Arc User
    Now is a diferent situation that "keys day".
    No one bot will inflate AD and for push up ZAX.

    Maybe up, but not +400.
  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    kalindra said:

    The only reason the ZAX ended up with a bad backlog was because back then, tons upon tons of AD was being generated by bots. Not just AD sellers - people who were otherwise legit players were bottling. That's no longer an issue with Leadership AD removed.
    That was a lie then and it's still a lie.
    There never were bots to farm AD viw LS, at most some scripts which spared the paying customer - who bought character slots for cash, btw. - some clicks.
    The limit to the AD generation was the time the profession job took, even then.
    Cryptic were never able to tell scripting from personal clicks and just banned people who used this way of gaining their AD to efficiently (and in effect robbing them of the money they payed for those character slots.

    Real botting is ingame botting, where ongoing customer interaction is omitted and done by a bot, effectively farming 24/7 for the sole aim of selling the stuff, supideously repeating the easiest and fastest way.


    Scripts for the gateway WERE the bots that were generating all of the AD. It might be semantically a slight technical difference between the two (one is in-game, one is not) but the effect is 100% the same. Both are pre-recorded actions that are done constantly without human input.

    The scripts were even worse, in fact. AD sellers could use the scripts on MULTIPLE accounts (since it didn't hog as many resources as actually running the game did), on 50 characters each, and, even with all white assets, hit or near the 24K cap every single day (assuming they were also invoking, which, being super easy to bot in game - they almost certainly were). That is, conservatively, 1 million refined AD per account, per day.

    The scripts are 100% what caused the backlog. Just because it wasn't in-game doesn't mean it wasn't what was causing the damage. Hence why Leadership AD was taken away.
    kalindra said:


    The removal of Coal wards caused a jump in Zen price because people had advanced warning. Everyone was buying up as much zen as possible to get as many coal wards as they could from keys. That's all. Now that they're gone, the zen price will drop again.
    Jep, that's correct - but with these sources of Coals and PWs barred, their prizes will rise dramatically, and many of the remaining customer with toons of level 70 will have to get their Zen for these at the ZX (and their AD for ZX probably from Goldspammers) -> AD inflation and backlog.



    I seriously doubt that. People will always need AD way more than they need Zen. Also, if they invoke a significant number of characters every day (which most people who farm for their BIS without buying Zen do), they'll get plenty of free coal wards. There's almost no way this is going to have a big enough impact to cause a backlog. The cause of the backlog before was 100% the gateway scripts. There wasn't a backlog until those became widely used, and there hasn't been another one since (barring short periods when something was going on to cause Zen to be worth more than AD).

    The ZAX always recovers as long as there's no way to exploit AD.
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User



    ya you should read up, as you are wrong, , this is a reapeat of mod 5/6 an it will be back to 500.

    Looks like you're the wrong one. Zen is down to 384 right now. Coal wards are 250K. he sky is still hanging in there.

  • putzboy78putzboy78 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,950 Arc User


    Scripts for the gateway WERE the bots that were generating all of the AD.

    Ummm no. The massive influx of AD while contributed to by leadership was coming in another form that took almost zero time to make unlimited amounts of AD using means that were not WAI. Basically people new how to make AD appear from thin air. Leadership took the blame because everyone knew people that used leadership to make 500k a day, but the real problem was in a form that allowed you to not have to buy character slots, lvl a character to 10, then spend a month grinding leadership to get to the good AD tasks.
    verdonix1 said:

    aulduron said:



    ya you should read up, as you are wrong, , this is a reapeat of mod 5/6 an it will be back to 500.

    Looks like you're the wrong one. Zen is down to 384 right now. Coal wards are 250K. he sky is still hanging in there.

    Then I'll sell you my c-wards for 600k :)
    Even at market cap of 500AD per Zen. Which makes a cward cost 500K minus the easy to obtain 15% off coupon. The actual value of a cward at peak market is only 425K. Anyone who spends 600K on a cward lacks the intelligence to turn on a computer, I doubt they can tackle the complexity of the RP system.
  • dfncedfnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 509 Arc User
    No surprise for influx of ZEN in 2xRP event days when ZAX rate dropped 350-360. People did buy cheap wards and enchantments on AH, cheaper than ZEN store could offer.

    Now every account (including bots, goldsellers and these with hundreds of 2 character slots) independently of their VIP status received bound c-ward. For some time lesser versions of enchantments will be in good supply on AH.

    C-ward was in 550-600 price range before mod 6, especially in weekends. People were waiting weeks to get their ZEN. ZEN backlog requests was counter per millions of ZEN. Entire refinement process was very frustrating because not only RP was expensive, ZEN price high but ZEN purchases had to be planned weeks ahead.

    EX-DL-BtS / ITF-KC-KB / BF-HD-IBS / FtF-IT-ST-Dis / CA-GW-PG
    "When no appropriate rule applies, make one up."
    — (The unwritten rule)


  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User


    The scripts are 100% what caused the backlog. Just because it wasn't in-game doesn't mean it wasn't what was causing the damage. Hence why Leadership AD was taken away.

    The massive ZAX backlog way back was caused by the Astral resonator exploit ,it had nothing to do with leadership.
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  • wildfiredewildfirede Member Posts: 886 Arc User
    dfnce said:

    No surprise for influx of ZEN in 2xRP event days when ZAX rate dropped 350-360. People did buy cheap wards and enchantments on AH, cheaper than ZEN store could offer.

    Now every account (including bots, goldsellers and these with hundreds of 2 character slots) independently of their VIP status received bound c-ward. For some time lesser versions of enchantments will be in good supply on AH.

    C-ward was in 550-600 price range before mod 6, especially in weekends. People were waiting weeks to get their ZEN. ZEN backlog requests was counter per millions of ZEN. Entire refinement process was very frustrating because not only RP was expensive, ZEN price high but ZEN purchases had to be planned weeks ahead.

    That's what i was wondering too, did every spamming bot in neverwinter got a free coal.ward ?
    yey fun with flags ;)

    Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost"
    zhentarim-warlock-companion

    Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
    plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
  • mrgiggles651mrgiggles651 Member Posts: 790 Arc User


    The scripts were even worse, in fact. AD sellers could use the scripts on MULTIPLE accounts (since it didn't hog as many resources as actually running the game did), on 50 characters each, and, even with all white assets, hit or near the 24K cap every single day (assuming they were also invoking, which, being super easy to bot in game - they almost certainly were). That is, conservatively, 1 million refined AD per account, per day.

    Goldpsammer prices for AD have not changed since leadership AD was removed (it's easy enough to keep track since they spam the current price constantly), so the supply/demand ratio has apparently changed little.
    I wasted five million AD promoting the Foundry.
  • dfncedfnce Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 509 Arc User


    That's what i was wondering too, did every spamming bot in neverwinter got a free coal.ward ?

    That explained why it took Cryptic so long to apply Friday February, 18 patch. Hundreds of thousands of coal wards/rubies sent together with apologize notes.

    "Dear bot, sorry to interrupt your botting. We had to do something with our paying customers and the patch won't affect you. Enjoy free C-Ward and other stuff, don't forget to check mail box on other accounts. Peace." // sarcasm

    EX-DL-BtS / ITF-KC-KB / BF-HD-IBS / FtF-IT-ST-Dis / CA-GW-PG
    "When no appropriate rule applies, make one up."
    — (The unwritten rule)


  • yokki1yokki1 Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    dfnce said:


    That's what i was wondering too, did every spamming bot in neverwinter got a free coal.ward ?

    That explained why it took Cryptic so long to apply Friday February, 18 patch. Hundreds of thousands of coal wards/rubies sent together with apologize notes.

    "Dear bot, sorry to interrupt your botting. We had to do something with our paying customers and the patch won't affect you. Enjoy free C-Ward and other stuff, don't forget to check mail box on other accounts. Peace." // sarcasm

    funniest post past week. kudoz.
  • wildfiredewildfirede Member Posts: 886 Arc User
    yokki1 said:

    dfnce said:


    That's what i was wondering too, did every spamming bot in neverwinter got a free coal.ward ?

    That explained why it took Cryptic so long to apply Friday February, 18 patch. Hundreds of thousands of coal wards/rubies sent together with apologize notes.

    "Dear bot, sorry to interrupt your botting. We had to do something with our paying customers and the patch won't affect you. Enjoy free C-Ward and other stuff, don't forget to check mail box on other accounts. Peace." // sarcasm

    funniest post past week. kudoz.
    +1 made me smile (and that on the arc forums omg).
    Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost"
    zhentarim-warlock-companion

    Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
    plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
  • mrgiggles651mrgiggles651 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    dfnce said:


    That's what i was wondering too, did every spamming bot in neverwinter got a free coal.ward ?

    That explained why it took Cryptic so long to apply Friday February, 18 patch. Hundreds of thousands of coal wards/rubies sent together with apologize notes.

    "Dear bot, sorry to interrupt your botting. We had to do something with our paying customers and the patch won't affect you. Enjoy free C-Ward and other stuff, don't forget to check mail box on other accounts. Peace." // sarcasm

    They'll turn those wards into lesser enchants and sell them.
    I wasted five million AD promoting the Foundry.
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