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malaikamoyo
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I have found some posts about Hadar's Grasp working good with fury's creaping death? Is there any use having this encounter for damnation?
Damage is low with crazy high cooldown, and lifting target in the air only works on critters who die in a few sec anyway and maybe some under-bosses. Seems a pointless encounter unless fury/pvp uses.
Currently level 64 using SS FB/WB KF. (I'm tired of DT getting interrupted and not being able to do use at-wills/curse for 6 sec. It also has a staggering 21.2 sec total cd. I'd rather "fire and forget" and use my at-wills.)
Damage is low with crazy high cooldown, and lifting target in the air only works on critters who die in a few sec anyway and maybe some under-bosses. Seems a pointless encounter unless fury/pvp uses.
Currently level 64 using SS FB/WB KF. (I'm tired of DT getting interrupted and not being able to do use at-wills/curse for 6 sec. It also has a staggering 21.2 sec total cd. I'd rather "fire and forget" and use my at-wills.)
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http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/543543/daigotsu-scourge-warlock-guide-by-leeroy-jenkins-of-gwf-fame#latest
Yeah I don't even know what the Elol set is. Newbie here. Do you think it's worth the long cd?
Anyway, I don't have any problems getting enough sparks for almost continuous SS, but I don't use Immolation Spirits. I use BoH/TT. And I don't even use Snuffing out. My class feats are shadow walk and deadly curse.
Thx for the reply and the link
Edit: That link is for a fury build and I'm damnation. Still, it may have some tips or useful info on encounters. Will check it out.
And yes, Hadar's Grasp is silly good... Definitely recommend it never leaving your rotation as a Fury'lock...
I can't find info on the "eLOL" set and why it's good for hg.
The damage I'm seeing on target dummy is pathetic compared to other powers. I really see no point in using it in pve. It's single target
, and the curse consume only doubles the immobilize duration but I see no double dot duration.On the forum they say "if you're not using it on bosses you're doing it wrong". Why?!
I have 2 points in it and I don't see anything special about it.
The elol set does the following:
"On critical hit deal an additional hit for weapon damage"
What it actually does is it hits for your weapon damage with buffs applied, which means it hits for a lot more then weapon damage. Now, hadar's grasp hits more then once (like dreadtheft) but unlike dreadtheft, if it crits, every single crit procs the elol set. In comparison, for dreadtheft, only the first hit procs the elol set.
I hope that explanation makes sense/helps.
As for Hadar Grasp, I only use it for bosses as if it crits once it crits throught its duration with elol set (doesn't matters if they can't be lifted). It's helps build sparks to spam soul scorch. I would not suggest it for leveling though only bosses or dragons.
Thanks Cryptic
Since the HG has many hits, and the "crit / not" is all or none... when it does crit you end up getting a large infusion of soul sparks (2 sparks per second for ~3 sec).
At mid lvl 60 gear, your crit rate is probably ~20-30%? (I honestly don't recall my crit rate at that lvl) Hadar's Grasp wouldn't be a reliable use of an encounter power to generate soul sparks if you only get a large infusion every 4th time you cast it. Fights don't last long enough for it to be cast more than once (maybe cast twice at most). Also the enemies you fight at that level don't need high single target DPS that you get from soul spark, so you don't really need HG to feed you sparks.
With low crit, you'll notice better soul spark gain from Dreadtheft. And since you're fighting groups of mobs the ability to damage multiple far outweighs the benefits Hadar's Grasp offers of immobilizing one target. When Dreadtheft hits more targets, it generates more soul sparks (regardless of crit or not).
Hadar's Grasp is a big source of damage for epic content, where a single fight may last 1-2 min (Demogorgon / Goristo; dragons; Tiamat; dungeon bosses / mini-bosses; etc...). It's less efficient in other contexts (e.g. running vigilance quests with low crit and before the lostmauth set is equipable).
1. procs setbonus
2. spends 14 sparks
3. procs creeping death
in case you do WC-HG-WC and do not use a course consuming power on top
@whyrat. Currently (level 64) crit=40.7 %,
Now, if you don't mind, please explain why HG is better than WB for eLOL?
I couldn't find anything on the topic in the forum or internet. I did the math but don't want to bother you with it. Does WB not trigger eLOL?
Wait... I did find something on the topic but not explicitly WB proccing eLOL. They were talking about using both WB + HG in a boss rotation.
I use killing flames, HG and SS, those seem to work nicely with TT.
eLOL set procs on crits, but only once on nearly all cases of warlock spells (upon activation). when it procs its an automatic crit, meaning you get an extra soul spark. More soul sparks means more soul sorch (encounter) spamming for bosses or just general soul stacking.
Hadar's grasp is one of the few spells that will proc eLOL multiple times with one cast (on each tick of damage). The only other spell that does this is harrowstorm (WB also does but on reflect so im told but that is irrelevant in pve).
If you don't have the set then theres no point using it unless you need the lift effect.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
WC-HG-WC if I remember correct...I am no fury.