How Power works on Guardian Fighter?

bulix91 · December 2015

Hello,
As above I have a question about it how power works on Guardian Fighter. Especially I mean how does it work on tactician buffs? I am increasing defence to give much more powerfull buffs from "In to Frey" skill but do I need more power to debuff foes much better from for example "Tide of Iron" or using crowd control skill like "Frontline Surge" or "Griffon's Wrath" combined with Tactician feat "Crushing Pin". If I have more power those debuffs will work much more better?
Thanks for answers.
BuLiX

looomis · December 2015

Power only affects the damage your encounters/at-wills/dailies make.
There is no stat that can increase the effectiveness of your debuffs.
Into the frey debuffs are also not affected by any stats (of course you can increase your recovery which reduces the cooldown of ITF).

bulix91 · December 2015

I am increasing recovery only for now and I was just wondering if going in to power will be better. Anyway Thank You for answer!

kemi1984 · December 2015

Be weary of diminishing returns. I was all crazy about recovery some time ago than I realized after around 3k the returns are really low. Split second, it's all you get between 3k and nearly 5k

whymushroom · December 2015

For the full buffing GF:

Effectiveness of Into the Fray depends on your Damage Reduction (from Defense and Armor Class) and your cooldown. As this is our biggest buff my far, it's a good idea to stack recovery and defense. The stat power only affects the damage you deal and your healing.

Recovery is not only usefull to keep Into the Fray up more often, but also to activate Crushing Pin more often (best with Griffon's Wrath). Also it increases your Action Point gain.

Thus, more defense to get more DR means stronger Into the Fray buff (DR is capped at 80%). And more recovery makes you activate your buffs more often.

EDIT: The uptime depends on recovery and INT (Recharge Speed Increase = recovery + INT). The calculations used with 11 INT

evalira · December 2015

whymushroom said:

Recovery is not only usefull to keep Into the Fray up more often, but also to activate Crushing Pin more often (best with Griffon's Wrath).

Griffon's Wrath isn't affected by recovery.

bulix91 · December 2015

So it means like I tought that Damage Resistance is increasing effectivnes of "In to Frey". About Recovery I know it is good choice because of AP Gain and faster cooldown on skills. I've got about 8k Recovery on my GF with 8 rank Silvery enchantments. It is helpfull also with using "Rising Threat" much more often you use this skill I have aggro on yourself almost all the time with this you don't even need to use "Knight Valor" to protect party.
I wanted to know much better how power stat works with debuffs, now I know that I do not have to change everything in to power and I can keep going with Recovery. Thanka a lot

whymushroom · December 2015

evalira said:

whymushroom said:

Recovery is not only usefull to keep Into the Fray up more often, but also to activate Crushing Pin more often (best with Griffon's Wrath).
Griffon's Wrath isn't affected by recovery.

The buffing strenght of Griffon's Wrath isn't affected by anthing, yes. But it's about uptime of Crushing Pin. More recovery => shorter cooldown => more uptime Crushing Pin => better buff from CC powers

bulix91 said:
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It is helpfull also with using "Rising Threat" much more often you use this skill I have aggro on yourself almost all the time with this you don't even need to use "Knight Valor" to protect party.
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Knight Valor is actually is very strong indirect buff. When an ally is hit, you get that damage (partially). This incomming damage is reflected back to the damage source - the enemy. This reflecting damage procs your weapon enchant on that enemy. ~~It procs 3 stacks of Plague Fire = 9% damage buff~~. It procs 1 stack of Plague Fire = 3% damage buff. Or your Terror enchant = 4% buff.

bulix91 · December 2015

I will actually rebuild my GF to make him......immortal without using Steel Defence

And I am using Lightning enchantment in weapon to increase aggro, I've got enough buffs and debuffs for party. I can say that terror or plague fire would increase it but I prefer aggro.

kemi1984 · December 2015

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiitttttttttt...so the KV procs PF ??

So much for all the "PF is hard to stack due to our slow at wills" HAMSTER. I really need to pay more attention what debuffs mob have when I play

KV, ITF - those are the skill that never leave my bar when I'm tanking.

As for the power stat. I'm leaning more towards swapping my offensive radiants for azures to boost crit. Crits do much more damage than "normal" attacks and with crit being almost as high as power - solo play is not only safe, but really fun !

Conq/Prot hybrid just wrecks !

(BTW thanks for my guild brah I finally noticed it, lol!)

whymushroom · December 2015

kemi1984 said:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiitttttttttt...so the KV procs PF ??

So much for all the "PF is hard to stack due to our slow at wills" HAMSTER. I really need to pay more attention what debuffs mob have when I play

I just tested to be sure. Each reflect damage from KV procs just one stack of PF, not 3 as mentioned earlier. Still the better option in my opion.

kemi1984 · December 2015

Yeah that what I thought, I wouldn't mind it working as initially described though

Thanks for testing !

oliboyph · December 2015

whymushroom said:

Knight Valor is actually is very strong indirect buff. When an ally is hit, you get that damage (partially). This incomming damage is reflected back to the damage source - the enemy. This reflecting damage procs your weapon enchant on that enemy. ~~It procs 3 stacks of Plague Fire = 9% damage buff~~. It procs 1 stack of Plague Fire = 3% damage buff. Or your Terror enchant = 4% buff.

I need to clarify this, does KV reflect damage on its own?

zman81420 · December 2015

Not to my knowledge, Guarded Assault or briartwine would be the culprit there unless I am also missing something as well.

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zman81420 · January 2016

Without a doubt power increased reflect damage. I see it increase when I receive companions gifts, pop power potions and receive power buff from coin.

oliboyph · January 2016

ambrosianectar said:
KV does NOT reflect damage by itself. Tested with ACT and confirmed.

But as @zman81420 correctly noted, the use of nearly ANY reflection effect along with KV is highly recommended.

Guarded assault works great for my Protector buffer/Turtle/reflector . With the artifact weapon bonus set to shield bash, I can keep the shield up forever.

I passively keep the crowd painted with 1 stack of Terror at all times.

Re: OP's original question, power does appear to increase reflected damage.

Have not tested the relative value of investing in power on my reflect build.

Does reflect damage from a mechanic mixed with KV cause bloodlust to proc in twisted weapon set?

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bulix91 · January 2016

I've got one more question about Guarded Assault. Is it possible to use Life Steal with this passive power I mean can it be triggered from damage tha it gives?

kemi1984 · January 2016

bulix91 said:
I've got one more question about Guarded Assault. Is it possible to use Life Steal with this passive power I mean can it be triggered from damage tha it gives?

If I'm getting you correctly you're asking will you heal via Life Steal using Guarded Assault.
The answer is, yes - this is another great way to increase your toughness and makes LS a great secondary defensive stat to invest in.

At the start of mod6 we absolutely had to have Steel Defense slotted. Now? not really, I'm learning to avoid it in favor of Guarded Assault and Shield Talent combo.

You can just turtle behind your shield for a bit and GA with LS will take care of the rest

That's right folks! another reason to love GF class

bulix91 · January 2016

Yup exactly what I am planning to make

I was also with build on Swordmaster with Steel Defence but I've found no fun in it. I have to agree with you that this is very good way to survive but there is no challenge in immortality

That's why I am back on Iron Vanguard and planning to make LS with Guarded Assault and also Seldarine Art. Set which will also heal me and from cloack, belt and emblem I will also have pure Life Steal statistic. With Guarded Assault and T. Lightning enchantment I think I will get my goal. This will be my way to immortality

kemi1984 · January 2016

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand a cool positive way to get going with your char mate!

Always good to challenge yourself using less mainstream build. I won't lie that I'm tempted to get back to IV for my much beloved Frontline Surge

but on the other hand I would miss WMS a lot

maybe I will do it just for the heck of it since around 8 retraining tokens are sitting inpaciently in shared bank

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bulix91 · January 2016

Weapon enchantment is not triggered from GA I checked it long time ago while I was yet playing with plague fire.

zman81420 · January 2016

bulix91 said:
I've got one more question about Guarded Assault. Is it possible to use Life Steal with this passive power I mean can it be triggered from damage tha it gives?

I hardly notice if life steal procs on guarded assault, I may be far too low to notice. I mainly use guarded assault with Fighter's recovery which is wicked fast animation, go back to shield and instant full health bar.

kemi1984 · January 2016

Yeap, but that's because FR is the best self heal in the game - it's insanely powerful as it should be to keep a tank allive in OF FU#HAMSTER@ situations.

FR + (frankly) whatever damage skill use is a full health bar in a flash

bulix91 · January 2016

zman81420 said:

bulix91 said:
I've got one more question about Guarded Assault. Is it possible to use Life Steal with this passive power I mean can it be triggered from damage tha it gives?
I hardly notice if life steal procs on guarded assault, I may be far too low to notice. I mainly use guarded assault with Fighter's recovery which is wicked fast animation, go back to shield and instant full health bar.

You hardly noticed this Life Steal but it depends on it how much of this Life Steal do You have? It's good option with FR to survive but you are dependent from daily power, I want to make something selfhealing instantly without using FR but instead Villain's Menace and Terrifying Impact those are better dailys. Also I will make my heal with Life Steal by using Enforced Threat. Using this power generates threat and with lots of mobs deals massive damage (with Lightning Enchantment) from which I can heal myself. Furthermore when mobs will aggro on me from this power by rising shield I should be able to heal instantly from GA

Cheers

How Power works on Guardian Fighter?

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