Black Ice Artifact Equipment

tgwolf · December 2015

Hey there.

I know that I am not the only one who would like to see some changes on this particular subject and I would like to formally request such changes be made.

This is, as the title states, in regards to the Greater Belt/Cloak of Black Ice and their, honestly, ridiculous pricing as well as restricted availability.

Far be it for me (or anyone for that matter) to tell you how to design your game, however with all other artifact equipment able to be obtained in several ways it seems like those who desire the Black Ice set like myself are being given the metaphorical short end of the stick.

I would like to propose a fairly simple change:

- Firstly, slightly reduce the cost of the items from the store from 250k each to 150k
- Secondly, make Worn Black Ice Shaping Gauntlets available from the Black Ice forge. Preferably not for Black Ice.
- Lastly, make the Belt only, available in the chest at the end of the Kessels Skirmish.

Like the majority of MMO players I'm not opposed to a healthy grind in the game but this is fairly unreasonable. I'd do the math myself but I'm sure someone other than myself could chime in with the figures, needless to say, as it stands the items are not obtainable in any reasonable fashion.

I hope that we can see these changes or something similar in the (near) future.

Thankyou for your time.

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tgwolf · December 2015

poopoomcmuffns said:
The grind for that set is ridicuolous for the meager set bonus, especially with lostmauths set roaming free.

Too bad the Lostmauth set is so terrible for the classes that should use the BI set.

nwbeast · December 2015

Which classes do you think should use the BI set? Any DPS class should use Lostmauth set.

tgwolf · December 2015

nwbeast#4980 said:
Which classes do you think should use the BI set? Any DPS class should use Lostmauth set.

That's actually wrong, both SW and CW benefit more from the BI set. For a SW it is the BiS set as well.
There is also a good argument to be had for the BI set being effective for an OP.

TR - Lostmauth
GWF - Lostmauth
HR - Lostmauth
GF - Lostmauth, conveniently as of Mod6
DC - Imperial Dragon
CW - Black Ice or Valindra
SW - Black Ice
OP - Black Ice

These represent BiS artifact sets for each class as of Mod6/7, the moment you ignore Ability scores completely for a set, it no longer counts as BiS.

nwbeast · December 2015

A CW with Lostmauth has greater chance at Criticals, therefore the lightning strike, and so would do more damage. Unless they changed the mechanic of Storm Spell and it no longer works on criticals.

wdj40 · December 2015

nwbeast#4980 said:
A CW with Lostmauth has greater chance at Criticals, therefore the lightning strike, and so would do more damage. Unless they changed the mechanic of Storm Spell and it no longer works on criticals.

That is slightly wrong dude, the Lostmauth Set does not give a greater chance at Crit's. It triggers on a Crit so you need high Crit in the 1st place

nwbeast · December 2015

> @wdj40 said:
> A CW with Lostmauth has greater chance at Criticals, therefore the lightning strike, and so would do more damage. Unless they changed the mechanic of Storm Spell and it no longer works on criticals.
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> That is slightly wrong dude, the Lostmauth Set does not give a greater chance at Crit's. It triggers on a Crit so you need high Crit in the 1st place :)

Why wouldn't a DPS class want an extra hit of weapon damage though? Valindra helps with control, sure, but if you kills things quickly, i.e. Lostmauth Set, why would you need that much control? A CW already has a good bit of control, hence the name.

I could be confused here, but I am thinking that an extra hit of damage is the best bet for DPS.

nwbeast · December 2015

> @dreadkinz said:
> cw which is of now the weakest class in the game and this is coming from a best in slot player

There is a CW in my guild that pretty soloed the scorpions in ELOL. So I really don't think the CW is the weakest class in the game, PvE wise at least. I do not know about PvP.

wdj40 · December 2015

nwbeast#4980 said:
> @wdj40 said:

> A CW with Lostmauth has greater chance at Criticals, therefore the lightning strike, and so would do more damage. Unless they changed the mechanic of Storm Spell and it no longer works on criticals.

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> That is slightly wrong dude, the Lostmauth Set does not give a greater chance at Crit's. It triggers on a Crit so you need high Crit in the 1st place

Why wouldn't a DPS class want an extra hit of weapon damage though? Valindra helps with control, sure, but if you kills things quickly, i.e. Lostmauth Set, why would you need that much control? A CW already has a good bit of control, hence the name.

I could be confused here, but I am thinking that an extra hit of damage is the best bet for DPS.

I never said a DPS class wouldn`t use the Lostmauth Set, I in fact use it myself on my HR. I just pointed out that what you had written was not entirely correct

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nwbeast · December 2015

I'm not saying it is impossible for another class to solo it, I am saying I have only personally seen this CW solo it. Plus, seeing as how he pretty much killed them extremely quick, that's why I was saying that I do not think the CW is a weak class.

armadeonx · December 2015

guys please don't derail a topic with irrelevant class comparisons.

The Black Ice set is far more expensive than comparable Campaign artifact equipment and for no good reason. IT absolutely warrants a reduction in cost.

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tgwolf · December 2015

poopoomcmuffns said:

tgwolf said:

nwbeast#4980 said:
Which classes do you think should use the BI set? Any DPS class should use Lostmauth set.
That's actually wrong, both SW and CW benefit more from the BI set. For a SW it is the BiS set as well.
There is also a good argument to be had for the BI set being effective for an OP.

TR - Lostmauth
GWF - Lostmauth
HR - Lostmauth
GF - Lostmauth, conveniently as of Mod6
DC - Imperial Dragon
CW - Black Ice or Valindra
SW - Black Ice
OP - Black Ice

These represent BiS artifact sets for each class as of Mod6/7, the moment you ignore Ability scores completely for a set, it no longer counts as BiS.
If our going by primary and secondary stat bonus, then sure, it could be considered BiS, but from a purely damage stand point, it is not. The set bonus for lostmouths set adds far more damage then an extra couple constistution and charisma points, not only that,if the warlock is playing a soulbinder, lostmauths vengeances counts towards building soul sparks, a single hadar's grasp can sometime almost completely fill my sparks. While the set bonus says for weapon damage, the bonus as working now, weapon damage is effected by buffs, and its is not uncommon to see lostmauths ticks in pve for 30k plus, pvp it is not even a competion between the other set bonuses.

The difference between the 2 sets is best shown on an Oath of Protection Paladin.

For example last week I was playing PvP on PC and using it's damage resistance buffs, the OP I was facing as my GWF was able to reduce my 70k+ PvP crits to between 0-100 damage.

I faced him again with my CW using Black Ice set, it was a slow process but it would tick hundreds of damage continuously since the damage cannot be resisted.

If a OP (and pretty much anything with a decent DR) can turn 70k crits into basically 0 damage, the much weaker weapon damage, buffs or not, doesn't stand a chance.

In PvE, sure Lostmauth works great, but for PvP, unresistable damage is key.

If Lostmauth was the absolute of all sets, everyone would use nothing but that.

armadeonx · December 2015

Does the Black Ice damage work with Plaguefire damage? I mean the damage pf deals after the actual strike.

lailastarkiss · December 2015

I didn't read anything above me so sorry if I am repeating things, but the set is grindable quite quickly if you...
1. Mine in PvP
2. Use more than 1 gauntlet so your processing more than 1 task of black ice at a time
3. Spend a little time

The worst part is... well this set doesn't compete with the typical cookie cutter builds due to crit+lostmauth having such a synergy with basically any build youd be surprised the damage you lose even with only say 20% crit chance.

tgwolf · December 2015

lailastarkiss#1294 said:
I didn't read anything above me so sorry if I am repeating things, but the set is grindable quite quickly if you...
1. Mine in PvP
2. Use more than 1 gauntlet so your processing more than 1 task of black ice at a time
3. Spend a little time

The worst part is... well this set doesn't compete with the typical cookie cutter builds due to crit+lostmauth having such a synergy with basically any build youd be surprised the damage you lose even with only say 20% crit chance.

You're joking right?

Let's presume running 9 Mass Refining Tasks simultaneously.

Per character, first of all that is 8 x 1500 Zen for the extra gauntlets. 12k Zen cost

Then let's presume you achieve 1500 even on every refinement (which does not happen unless you have Mythril tools):

1500 x 9 x 2 times per day is 27k Black Ice each day.

Each item is 250k cost, 250000/27000 is around 10 straight days of farming.

In PvP areas you can farm a constant 180 Raw BI every 6 seconds. Without taking into account time of finding deposits etc. this equates to:

250000/180 which comes to 8333.33 seconds of farming which is 138 minutes or just under 2 hours 20 min worth of farming.

But that doesn't include the time it takes to find deposits etc which in itself more than multiplies the overall time by 10.

So around 22 hours of solid mining of Raw Black Ice.

This is just for 1 of the artifacts, generally you want both so double the overall figures to get:

44 Straight hours of mining black ice with no breaks in PvP areas

20 straight days of refining that Black Ice, achieving the minimum of 1500 refined each time and running all 9 tasks simultaneously which will cost you 12000 Zen for each character.

If you consider this "reasonable" in comparison to all the other artifact sets then I'm sorry to say but you're delusional.

tgwolf · December 2015

Mini bump for relevance.

wdj40 · December 2015

tgwolf said:

nwbeast#4980 said:
Which classes do you think should use the BI set? Any DPS class should use Lostmauth set.
That's actually wrong, both SW and CW benefit more from the BI set. For a SW it is the BiS set as well.
There is also a good argument to be had for the BI set being effective for an OP.

TR - Lostmauth
GWF - Lostmauth
HR - Lostmauth
GF - Lostmauth, conveniently as of Mod6
DC - Imperial Dragon
CW - Black Ice or Valindra
SW - Black Ice
OP - Black Ice

These represent BiS artifact sets for each class as of Mod6/7, the moment you ignore Ability scores completely for a set, it no longer counts as BiS.

Hey TG I raced right next to you for a min yesterday during the sled race

Although you blew my end score out the window lol.

yourenext2die · December 2015

poopoomcmuffns said:
The grind for that set is ridicuolous for the meager set bonus, especially with lostmauths set roaming free.

The Beholder artifact is one of the best for a TR.

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armadeonx · December 2015

one of my guildies made a ranger & refused to go trapper - it took him two weeks of failing all the time to convince him to respec, now he tops paingiver all the time - lol.

tgwolf · December 2015

wdj40 said:

tgwolf said:

nwbeast#4980 said:
Which classes do you think should use the BI set? Any DPS class should use Lostmauth set.
That's actually wrong, both SW and CW benefit more from the BI set. For a SW it is the BiS set as well.
There is also a good argument to be had for the BI set being effective for an OP.

TR - Lostmauth
GWF - Lostmauth
HR - Lostmauth
GF - Lostmauth, conveniently as of Mod6
DC - Imperial Dragon
CW - Black Ice or Valindra
SW - Black Ice
OP - Black Ice

These represent BiS artifact sets for each class as of Mod6/7, the moment you ignore Ability scores completely for a set, it no longer counts as BiS.
Hey TG I raced right next to you for a min yesterday during the sled race

Although you blew my end score out the window lol.

Yeah, lol.

I've had so much practice I don't think I've ever lost 1st place, even if I start late at like 8 mins or something.

tgwolf · December 2015

armadeonx said:
one of my guildies made a ranger & refused to go trapper - it took him two weeks of failing all the time to convince him to respec, now he tops paingiver all the time - lol.

There's an Archery Build that has an extremely low chance to Crit. but results in a 700%+ Crit Severity.

armadeonx · December 2015

tgwolf said:

armadeonx said:
one of my guildies made a ranger & refused to go trapper - it took him two weeks of failing all the time to convince him to respec, now he tops paingiver all the time - lol.
There's an Archery Build that has an extremely low chance to Crit. but results in a 700%+ Crit Severity.

lol the way things usually work out you'd only get a pop on adds and never where you need it

Also with the number of hits a trapper does, having a high chance and lower severity would result in higher overall damage.

tgwolf · January 2016

bump

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