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epic Demogorgon raid first impressions

1 challenging, highly geared player can beat tiamat pretty easily, not the case here . the fact that you have high dps will not help you much in battle with all the de-buffs and powers been disabled during the fight.

2 tactic. may seem simple but demands lots of coordination

3 seems like we will need the new weapon artifacts and to unlock all the new underdark boons to be able to handle this raid better.

4 one thing that devs need to fix is the fact you cant immediately re-enter the fight but have to wait for a cooldown, i waited for almost whole minute before i was able to re-enter the fight.


p.s at last some originality by nw developers the new rings bonuses will bring new original builds for this game.

i liked what i have seen so far.

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  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    Moved to the Preview forum. All preview content should be discussed there.
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  • obsidiancran3obsidiancran3 Member Posts: 1,823 Arc User
    The word I would use is "annoying" rather than "challenging". Though I suspect some of that annoyance will go away as it is completed.

    As a tank I had 2 problems, 1) I couldn't find the "safe" zones and 2) I would have agro for everything and it would all follow me around, turning off the "safe" zones stopping me from getting my abilities back...

    That said I look forward to seeing it once it is finished and more tuned.
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  • lemonchilllemonchill Member Posts: 523 Arc User

    The word I would use is "annoying" rather than "challenging". Though I suspect some of that annoyance will go away as it is completed.

    As a tank I had 2 problems, 1) I couldn't find the "safe" zones and 2) I would have agro for everything and it would all follow me around, turning off the "safe" zones stopping me from getting my abilities back...

    That said I look forward to seeing it once it is finished and more tuned.

    totally agree with you healing and tank classes may have issues with this event but let me suggest a tactic:

    instead of everybody running to center and focusing there,its a two parties run since the blue and orange circles appear on both sides healing&tank class should stay on both opposite sides, while tank aggro mob away from boss and healer focus on healing tank first. will be easier for those classes to access the blue and orange circles while dps and cc classes activate the portals/ try to kill boss on mid area.
  • aidek0aidek0 Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    I just finished the epic Demogorgon fight and personally, I dont like it. Starting at the fact that you pretty much start your 'dungeon' at the endboss, is already a little bit disapointing. My guess is, that the complete quest line should add the flavor of 'woah, epic end boss' to it, but atm I dont feel it.
    The starting cinematic is going to be annoying as ... just like elol who's going to have a meal is. Havent tested if you can cancel the cinematic, but please let it be so!

    The fight itself, I'm not too sure about it just yet. I mostly ran around like a headless chicken, opening and collapsing portals. When ever my encounters stopped working I had to stand still and try to see if I could see something that looked like a blue circle.
    Second boss was kinda annoying, he healed more than he got hit. Sometimes he didnt ran all the way, other times he rushed to the other side of the map. Biggest point for me tho, was to see the colors and try to match the boss his direction. I send him to the wrong direction several times, just cause it wasnt too clear for me what color was what.

    I assume my graphics should be higher for the fight and maybe that will clear that up (same with the blue safe zones).

    The last fight against demogorgon is the easiest of all 3 boss fights, which ... nvm. Still got the taste of disapointment in my mouth. I do understand that there still have to be some changes to the 'dungeon' but I doubt it will ever be a 2nd CN.

    If they still have the code for CN, just open it up, let the loot table be the exact same, I dont care! At least that was an EPIC dungeon.
  • obsidiancran3obsidiancran3 Member Posts: 1,823 Arc User
    aidek0's comments about colour matching reminds me:

    As a guy with the most common type of colour blindness colour matching is a joke in such a complex environment. I cannot even see the colours to have a hope of matching them if they are in the orange-red spectrum or green (against all the reds and blues in the environment.)

    Not sure what I mean?

    They tell me there is a 2 in this, but all I see is dots:

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  • hmdq#4491 hmdq Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    And the dungeon? Rename the game to "heroic encounters and dragons". Yesterday I did the Demogorgon and seemed very simple once zerg fest and this time without the players knowing where to go ( just saw people running as if they were headless chickens). It would be comical if it were not tragic. Btw The idea is good about the mechanics of madness , but what is the real necessity to buy a new set that protects the madness if we have into the fray points where completely cure this debuff?
  • aimeesellersaimeesellers Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 342 Arc User
    How are you getting into the Demogorgon fight? I have looked all over preview and see nothing.
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  • asterdahlasterdahl Member, Cryptic Developer Posts: 1,258 Cryptic Developer

    aidek0's comments about colour matching reminds me:

    As a guy with the most common type of colour blindness colour matching is a joke in such a complex environment. I cannot even see the colours to have a hope of matching them if they are in the orange-red spectrum or green (against all the reds and blues in the environment.)

    Not sure what I mean?

    They tell me there is a 2 in this, but all I see is dots:

    As many have speculated the version of Demogorgon on preview is still missing a substantial coat of polish, particularly in effects. The Demogorgon team is looking into making large visual changes to the Goristro encounter, expect those changes to be much more friendly to colorblind players.
  • aimeesellersaimeesellers Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 342 Arc User

    How are you getting into the Demogorgon fight? I have looked all over preview and see nothing.

    You have to unlock it in the campaign window by doing Heroic Encounters and getting Ichor. Found that out tonight. I wanted to try it so bad.
    So... if they want this tested as much as possible... it needs to be unlocked on preview. Having to grind HE's on preview just to test the Demogorgon fight is a bit silly.
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  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User

    How are you getting into the Demogorgon fight? I have looked all over preview and see nothing.

    You have to unlock it in the campaign window by doing Heroic Encounters and getting Ichor. Found that out tonight. I wanted to try it so bad.
    So... if they want this tested as much as possible... it needs to be unlocked on preview. Having to grind HE's on preview just to test the Demogorgon fight is a bit silly.
    Yeah.... Would be great if they just added a que for this that didnt have to be unlocked so we can actually test it....
  • freshourfreshour Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    That would require them to actually want our input. Just because they are new devs doesn't mean they are allowed to listen to player input: - like the old ones weren't. Hopefully they can have some "bright ideas" that we write about on here, on their own. No one even wants credit. Just use common sense. You want people to test a "dungeon ish thing" so you make them grind to do it? Really?! That's like making the cancer patients who hold a fundraiser for their treatments clean the tables after it is over...
  • torontodavetorontodave Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 992 Arc User
    dont they have those cool shades for colorblindness now? http://www.enchroma.com/
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  • obsidiancran3obsidiancran3 Member Posts: 1,823 Arc User
    edited October 2015

    How are you getting into the Demogorgon fight? I have looked all over preview and see nothing.

    Get 100 Fr and click on the task. It currently doesn't require the long wait, or to grind through the 11 sets of 200.

    dont they have those cool shades for colorblindness now? http://www.enchroma.com/

    Did their colour blindness test and apparently I'm too colour blind for their glasses (which suggests they do nothing as you would expect, at best they colour shift everything with a tint so they change what is hard to see).
    asterdahl said:

    As many have speculated the version of Demogorgon on preview is still missing a substantial coat of polish, particularly in effects. The Demogorgon team is looking into making large visual changes to the Goristro encounter, expect those changes to be much more friendly to colorblind players.

    Great news!

    I totally recognise its a work in progress, but the colour blindness thing is something that has hit me hard in games before (digital and physical) and "colour match" is a pain in such a busy colour environment. So its worth point out for me.

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  • eion311eion311 Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    Did they remove things?
    I log into the test server and the new zone is empty. There are npcs telling me areas are off limits and some vendors but nothing else. What HE's are people running to get the new currency? I hit various HE's in different zones thinking I missed something but none gave me new campaign currency.
  • dodgododgo Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 870 Arc User
    HEs are in dread, icewind and wod
  • dsn1118dsn1118 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    I couldnt see Epic Shores of Tuern on preview.Are they removing it with new mod?
  • kemi1984kemi1984 Member Posts: 849 Arc User
    Well there are two new ones announced so guess old one has to go. You know so we're not overwhelmed by the content

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  • generaldiomedesgeneraldiomedes Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 207 Arc User
    Please tell me Demogorgon itself looks better than the promo shot in the developer blog ..
  • darkstarcrashdarkstarcrash Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,382 Arc User
    It's unfinished, as asterdahl pointed out a few posts above yours, so the graphics are still rough.
  • hawkfrhawkfr Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 38 Arc User

    How are you getting into the Demogorgon fight? I have looked all over preview and see nothing.

    You have to unlock it in the campaign window by doing Heroic Encounters and getting Ichor. Found that out tonight. I wanted to try it so bad.
    So... if they want this tested as much as possible... it needs to be unlocked on preview. Having to grind HE's on preview just to test the Demogorgon fight is a bit silly.
    I advise you to make your 10 ppl party first. Then with 10 people, you just have to do 2 demonic to get the 100 faerzness( you actually get 136 counting the bonus). When you do your party first, you won't have to wait (usually you won't have 10 players queuing on preview). So just make your parties before, and you should be good to go ;)
  • hawkfrhawkfr Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Hi everyone, here is my general feedback about demogorgon:

    1. I like how we have a npc to explain the strat, without giving away all the mechanics tho.

    2. The first wave is fun: have to activate portals and it spawns mobs. I like how the good groups can open a lot of them and kill lots of foes at once, and weaker groups can open them 1 by 1 and be all 10 against the same spawned group.
    3. The only rank I got from the first wave is only bronze (I've ran it 5 times). And wasn't even close to silver. And we're on preview, so we all got better gear. I think gold or at least silver rank/medal should be accessible.

    4. The second wave now (Goristro): It's a really confusing fight. We really have to talk to the npc to have an idea about what to do.
    5. I like the fact there are a lot of mechanics going on, but might be too much: we need to take care of the daze and the one-shot AoE , we also have to make Goristro run into a wall. It's much more complicated compared to the Demogorgon itself.
    6. One thing about the one-shot AoE, is that the purple bubble that protect us cannot be seen when the graphics are set on minimum. We can only see them from low to high.
    7. I like the mechanic making it run into the walls, but it looks like it's the only real dps source, and it is kind of unsatisfying. It seems like we're not really doing anything to him. I think you could reduce his HP, so we can actually do some dps, not only from making it run into walls.
    8. Can you make the color of Goristro more low graphics-friendly please: it's really hard to tell when graphics are in low or minimum. At high graphics, it's good and can see it really well.
    9. I didn't figure out how we get the bronze/silver/gold medal against Goristro, only that we get bronze the first time it runs into a good wall. So I can't really give feedback about that one (maybe to make it more obvious would be great, I don't really know).

    9. The third wave (Demogorgon): Too easy! It's the main thing about it: we almost got gold every time (except once, few seconds short). The deadly AoE isn't coming often, it doesn't have a lot of HP compared to Goristro, and less mechanics. It's just hitting, and there's not really a strat against the Demogorgon.
    10. I think that you could switch the deadly AoE between the two bosses: Goristro could do it sometimes, so we can figure out where to go, how often, what to do. And then when we fight the Demogorgon, it could happen it really often (like for Goristro at the moment), so it'll slow down the fight, it'll make it a bit harder to kill him so be tougher to get gold rank, without being impossible.

    Thank you for that new content, and I hope it'll be even better ;)
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  • eregerogeregerog Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 47 Arc User
    hawkfr said:



    9. The third wave (Demogorgon): Too easy! It's the main thing about it: we almost got gold every time (except once, few seconds short). The deadly AoE isn't coming often, it doesn't have a lot of HP compared to Goristro, and less mechanics. It's just hitting, and there's not really a strat against the Demogorgon.
    10. I think that you could switch the deadly AoE between the two bosses: Goristro could do it sometimes, so we can figure out where to go, how often, what to do. And then when we fight the Demogorgon, it could happen it really often (like for Goristro at the moment), so it'll slow down the fight, it'll make it a bit harder to kill him so be tougher to get gold rank, without being impossible.

    Thank you for that new content, and I hope it'll be even better ;)

    +1 to this
    I also think that making the final boss harder than its precursor is a good thing.
  • dsn1118dsn1118 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 682 Arc User

    epic Demogorgon raid first impressions

    1 challenging, highly geared player can beat tiamat pretty easily, not the case here . the fact that you have high dps will not help you much in battle with all the de-buffs and powers been disabled during the fight.
    .

    What do you mean by this.Cant DCs debuff the boss or GFs buff the party dps/defense in this new fights now?
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