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Paladins need to stop gainin AP while other dailies are on.

foxxy#4211 foxxy
foxxy#4211
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Shield of faith, healing font, divine protector and heroism are dailies that last more than 15 secs; during which time paladins can still gain AP, making them almost to perma daily. Back then devoted clerics could gain AP while hallowed ground or divine armor were activated, were nerfed and not anymore this happens. It is time paladins receive the same treatment.

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  • korexkokorexko Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P
  • instynctiveinstynctive Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,885 Arc User
    korexko said:

    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P

    That was my thought as well.
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  • kemnimtarkaskemnimtarkas Member Posts: 838 Arc User
    korexko said:

    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P

    Egggggzactly!

    And if you are playing against the P2W crowd in PVP it doesn't matter what the class is, you are doomed anyway unless all your gear is already BiS. I like my OP in dungeons. So do most of the other players I'm in dungeons with. I think they are a better add than SW or even HR, because they emphasize a team oriented dynamic.
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  • dufistodufisto Member Posts: 537 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    foxxycleopatra said:

    Shield of faith, healing font, divine protector and heroism are dailies that last more than 15 secs; during which time paladins can still gain AP, making them almost to perma daily. Back then devoted clerics could gain AP while hallowed ground or divine armor were activated, were nerfed and not anymore this happens. It is time paladins receive the same treatment.

    as a DC i can perma annointed army. its not just pali dailies that are like this. all it takes is building for ap generation.
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    korexko said:

    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P

    Not if you're a GF
  • mattsacremattsacre Member Posts: 330 Arc User
    Imagine that...in-balance in a broken game.
    Except for the butt-hurt PvPs , few are complaining about the OP (well some of the other tanks that get passed over in a PUG are complaining.) And maybe some of the OP is just that OP..but in a PvE environment that has some slippage, it's forgivable to some extent, it don't really put other players out.

    But given their order of introduction......and the fact that they are STILL broken, that what is wrong is actually broken and not working on them (SW). And the fact of whats wrong with the OP is that it may be working too good. How about we go in sequence? Fix the SW and it's dynamics (it did proceed the OP and is STILL broken all that time) then go for what ails the OP and it's dynamics.

    I'm sorry if I sound unsympathetic, I'm not TRYING to be harsh, but I find it a tad hard to work up tears for people butt-hurt from PvP in a PVE! game. I know, I know, you got your game too, and I respect that, I do! But from day one you knew it was a PvE game, that PvP action was the icing on the cake. Right now however, the cake has gone rancid, let's bake a better cake before we top it with the icing shall we?

    The SW has been broke in some fashion or another from day one. When life steal worked as it did back then, some of the SW was indeed OP and some of it was not WAI. Then they retooled life steal and what was OP in now broken and much of what was previously WAI isn't either. At least the OP can console themselves that it "functions" in PvE, the SW don't even have that.
  • foxxy#4211 foxxy
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    edited October 2015
    dufisto said:

    as a DC i can perma annointed army. its not just pali dailies that are like this. all it takes is building for ap generation.

    I am dc too, and u can perma daily anointed army with an AP generation build that includes gift of haste, but anointed army, by the time 5 secs have passed, u will have already lost the daily everytime u are hit. 4 strikes and the daily is Done, and in pvp, this daily is garbage. So dont compare anointed army, which is nothing against the above mentioned OP dailies.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    foxxycleopatra said:

    dufisto said:

    as a DC i can perma annointed army. its not just pali dailies that are like this. all it takes is building for ap generation.

    I am dc too, and u can perma daily anointed army with an AP generation build that includes gift of haste, but anointed army, by the time 5 secs have passed, u will have already lost the daily everytime u are hit. 4 strikes and the daily is Done, and in pvp, this daily is garbage. So dont compare anointed army, which is nothing against the above mentioned OP dailies.
    News flash: Virtually no one cares about PvP.

    They're going to break it again in Mod 8. They'll break it every mod after that too. So frankly who gives a flying you know what. If you want to play PvP you're going to have to put up with the fact that a lot of stuff will remain broken and stupid. Suck it up.
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  • oliboypholiboyph Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 627 Arc User
    korexko said:

    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P

    Not for me. I'm GF, and this situation has left me as 2nd choice tank to OP.
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  • lldtlldt Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    foxxycleopatra said:



    I am dc too, and u can perma daily anointed army with an AP generation build that includes gift of haste, but anointed army, by the time 5 secs have passed

    Anointed Army has a short duration. If you have gift of haste AP build with a off CD Sigil of the Devoted, you can do a back to back AA, but perma? How would you do that?

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  • tantrumusmaximustantrumusmaximus Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    I think the funniest matches would be nothing but OP against each other....
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  • spqwnspqwn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 43 Arc User
    The game was still OKish back then, so things could be fixed. Now, everything is just broken... just shove it under the carpet and release new broken stuff.

    I still prefer the old DC-GF party for running dungeons. Permabubble-OP parties ar boring... no challenge at all.
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    lldt said:

    foxxycleopatra said:



    I am dc too, and u can perma daily anointed army with an AP generation build that includes gift of haste, but anointed army, by the time 5 secs have passed

    Anointed Army has a short duration. If you have gift of haste AP build with a off CD Sigil of the Devoted, you can do a back to back AA, but perma? How would you do that?

    Sigal will continue as long as you hit it the moment your AP is full.. you get the full value of the AP , throw in gift of haste and then also hasenting light bonus and you can do this.. I built around this at one point, but dropped it after many act tests, I still prefer doing back to back HGS, the bonus is crazy for boss fights.

    To each their own though.

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  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    Speaking as a butt-hurt pvp HR, I find bubble pallys annoying as hell. And the ones that flashpermastun you while their mates gank you even worse.

    But still, as the other guy said, no-one cares, and pvp is so amazingly broken in so many ways right now, pan-class almost, that you either suck it up and laugh it off and try to have fun anyway, or quit the game.

    I still like pvp, for the record, but long gave up on wins as indicators of skill in any shape or form whatsoever.
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  • hedgebethedgebet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 447 Arc User
    jonkoca said:

    Speaking as a butt-hurt pvp HR, I find bubble pallys annoying as hell. And the ones that flashpermastun you while their mates gank you even worse.

    But still, as the other guy said, no-one cares, and pvp is so amazingly broken in so many ways right now, pan-class almost, that you either suck it up and laugh it off and try to have fun anyway, or quit the game.

    I still like pvp, for the record, but long gave up on wins as indicators of skill in any shape or form whatsoever.

    My new gauge of a win in PvP is based on how many times I can get idiots to pursue me without them realizing that I will slow down and remain visible with low health intentionally to draw them. I thought about changing my characters name to 'killdeer' but then I realized that most of the players in PvP would still not have a clue as to the significance of the name.
  • darthpotaterdarthpotater Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    oliboyph said:

    korexko said:

    Im pretty sure this has to do with pvp, otherwise ppl would be okay running dungeons with a perma bubble OP. :P

    Not for me. I'm GF, and this situation has left me as 2nd choice tank to OP.
    Actually GFs are in the "top 5" for a fastest dungeon run, being the best team you can pick a GF, OP, DC, 2xGWF. Did eTOS in less than 8 minutes and eCC in 12,5 minutes with this team and the DC and GF far from BIS
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  • bkt5789bkt5789 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    Actually I still really like guardian fighters as tanks. They can generate ap for you faster than a haste cleric with the added benefit of other buffs. I like my clerics to run the righteous build.
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