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A suggestion, SH Q's are taking too long to POP, perhaps some of these ideas may help.
ltgamesttv
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Since the player base for StrongHold PVP is declining there is often a multiple hour wait for Q pops. Some potential suggestions to help with this:
1) Make it like GG with a 10 people Q.
2) Increase the number of Banners (perhaps just during the week when Q is so slow) so that if you actually do get into a match it will make it worth while and progress you towards your gear.
3) Create a smaller 5 man map based off SH that allows for faster Q times.
4) Perhaps if a Q takes too long it can be populated with NPCs that aid each side in protecting their home nodes. Thus allowing the Q to pop and continue to allow people to progress even when Q population is low.
There are most likely some other possible suggestions but these are a few that may make SH Queues less painful and potentially more rewarding.
Thanks for your time.
1) Make it like GG with a 10 people Q.
2) Increase the number of Banners (perhaps just during the week when Q is so slow) so that if you actually do get into a match it will make it worth while and progress you towards your gear.
3) Create a smaller 5 man map based off SH that allows for faster Q times.
4) Perhaps if a Q takes too long it can be populated with NPCs that aid each side in protecting their home nodes. Thus allowing the Q to pop and continue to allow people to progress even when Q population is low.
There are most likely some other possible suggestions but these are a few that may make SH Queues less painful and potentially more rewarding.
Thanks for your time.
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That said, I would prefer that they fix the pets working in PVP as they are not intended to be functioning. The wards and stamina drains are, at least, available to any guild that decides to level it's SH. Many guilds aren't focusing on that though and they feel the effects of it when they enter into PVP.
Thanks for your reply.
PVP is problematic imho because things like companions, the ability to Q with multiple of an OP class, the ability to Q against people with lesser gear but these are larger problems and are outside the scope of what I'm trying to address here. I'm hoping for a quick fix to the SH Q rather than trying to describe every area of PVP that could be improved. That would be another lengthy post.
Thanks for your reply.
Stronghold is so laggy, that most of the people barelly can move.
Idiots are going everwhere with perma prism+kv on - and it makes it even worst.
Few banners more, and I will never go there. I suggest you do the same. Take a look on IWD - dead, empty lagged space. Imagine how you could get armours and weapons form this location.
Now we have the same again. This Craptic never learn.
.Suicide Squad.
The elite get the better gear and BIS far faster than the dabblers and thusly dominate the PvP action.
The dabblers always lag getting BIS and gear and thusly will "under-perform" vs. other PvP fans. The dabblers finding their PvP experience unsatisfying will begin to forgo the experience. This will cause less population available to even que, leaving the PvP fans less and less persons to contend with.
To phrase it differently, the cannon fodder gets chewed up and there is less and less "volunteers" to be that cannon fodder. The dragoon are left with only fellow dragoon to contend with and there are long que times. Now magnify that with SH needing much more cannon fodder than a normal pvp and that's why you can't get a run in for hrs
Want an idea(s):
1.Your idea of Npc filing out the ranks so there needs be less actual players to achieve a que has merit.
2.Have a PvP map that is SH based but smaller, so you need fewer to flesh the map action, with the big map it takes long time for players to get Vs. each other,if you have less players, eliminate the "side action" of guarding material mounts etc.
3. (this one goes to other PvP as well)
Have a matching system that actually works, don't allow multiples of one class type to que. Don't que teams that are so drasticly over matched. An elite player with BIS should be matched with the same, not a dabbler with all greens. Only match premades with other premades. Allow 1 to 1 non ranked pvp (if the person gets tired of long ques they can get another 1 player to que and go head to head.
Dabblers get sour on PvP because they feel they are banging their heads on the wall constantly mismatched against clearly better geared/grouped matches, frankly they get tired of being cannon fodder and stop "volunteering" to be so, this leads to no new victims for the avid pvpers to "exploit".
THEY WON'T FIX ANYTHING.
Now we will get new module, with new massive ammounts of bugs. And SH simple, will be forgotten.
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I'm in a que 2 hours or more, right now.
Craptic, you are simply awesome.
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The bigger problem is that the server population and PVP population are too low at this point, imho, to separate the queue so that "dabblers" don't go against "Dragoons". So the alternatives I'm offering are meant to work with what's already available.
In terms of PVP the main problem as I see it was letting bugs and huge class imbalances continue for mods. The current devs inherited a headache and are trying to sort it out. Overarching all this is that Strongholds requires a thriving PVP community. Had it come out circa mod 1 or 2 or maybe even 3 I think it would've fared well. However, so many PVPers stopped doing so beginning mod 4 and continuing through to this mod because of really poorly planned class balances.
I still wish more than anything some gamers had direct access to the devs. I know many PVPers and PVEers who would gladly lend their information to the devs to try and help them make this game more enjoyable. But it's difficult for the devs to sort out who is worth listening to and who is not.
However, in the mean time, I hope to try and offer very attainable goals that may be short term fixes for some of the larger problems that exist right now.
Seriously, these wards should be removed, as they are causing more imbalance to an already imbalanced system. And at least they make PvP less fun (like companions do).
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If they want glory, there's always DOM or GG.
The only draw for them to continue doing Siege, is the Conqueror's Shard of Power, which I believe is reward in Siege?
If anyone has played Destiny you know how this works. Special events such as Iron Banner and Trials of Osiris allow full use of all the power creeps, but normal PVP does not.
This wont happen of course cuz PVP guilds (the ones left) would HAMSTER a brick and this might temporarily impede cryptics revenue stream, until players realize the pvp is playable again and perhaps actually play it. If cryptic wants to show they care they should at least create a queue where this is done, while the OP players can play amongst themselves in a separate one. Until then enjoy being at the top of the heap with no one left to fight.
any1 who watched the devs strongholds preview stream could have easily picked that attitude up from the first min.
and if you still didnt get that just read there latest dev blog : we decided to keep the companion active bonus at sh pvp . so there you go.
so my advice: stop complaining it doesnt help. just avoid this pvp area, q are taking so long now since there are maybe like 15-20 players still willing to do this broken pvp.
1. at stream day, cryptics come into work as other days, nobody knows anythings
2. dev responsible for stream success send mails to some random colleges, they need to join stream at certain hour
3. devs who get mail got panicked and mail back: "we cant be there, we know nothing about stronghold siege"
4. dev: doesnt matter, simply join, dont worry
5. stream hour is here, devs characters stand at stronghold gate, nobody know what to do
6. luckily only Andy is visible on the stream, he has some dev girl by him, she told him where to ride to, what to do
7. he is trying do what she say and praying not encounter some icyphish, who can oneshotting him
8. andy is riding around, enemy team is sieging his stronghold and there is almost no resistence
9. siege is quickly over, enemy win. everybody at cryptic is happy its over
was talking about the strongholds stream b4 this one , the one where andy sat with one other developer how told him about the general idea of strongholds.
You got more patience then I do.
I usually alt-tab after 20 minutes and completely miss when the prompt happens.