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Best PVE spec for max damage

deanblockley89deanblockley89 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
edited August 2015 in The Nine Hells
Given the negativity towards scourge warlocks since mod 6 launched there have been a lot of posts and build questions unanswered. I thought for all new players wishing to play a scourge warlock despite the ongoing issues surrounding the class I'd put out there a simple poll. What is the best PVE class spec to run for max damage.

If people want to post their builds, opinions, powers etc that's fine but let's try keeping it civil. The class might have its issues but there are still people out there trying to make the class work.

Best PVE spec for max damage 84 votes

Soulbinder damnation
40%
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Soulbinder fury
23%
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Hellbringer damnation
10%
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Hellbringer fury
21%
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Other
3%
ralopesscreaman06mehex123#9472 3 votes

Comments

  • deanblockley89deanblockley89 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Soulbinder fury
    Quite odd I see most votes for hellbringer fury yet no builds posted. I get the soulbinder damnation is extremely powerful in t2 dungeons due to the puppet (arguably the strongest) due to an exploit with the puppet buffs. And I know that fury hellbringer used to be the best max damage due to the flames of empowerment. But after mod 6 you don't see many hellbringer fury builds posted due to the survivability issue
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury
    Hell bringer Fury, overall, still seems to be the best from my experimentation this week... I will be looking to post an update of my original Mod 6 build in the coming week or two. :)
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  • zeusomzeusom Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 810 Arc User
    Hellbringer damnation
    Hellbringer damnation would definitely be max dmg for T2 dungeons like eCC and eToS with NPNM/FoE for class feats. But soulbinder damnation is more practical and survivable for general use.
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  • deanblockley89deanblockley89 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Soulbinder fury
    R.e kolat.... that's great to hear. Did enjoy reading your build before. Think with all the negativity on the forums it's easy for new players to be put off by the class and its good to see existing veterans posting their ideas with the class. Makes a welcoming change
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    Hellbringer damnation
    my experience is SB fury performed far worse than SB Damnation in all Dungeons not only T2, fury was behind the damage I could deal even running elol or VT
    HB Damnation outdamages SB Damnation in comparison in T2, SB is far easier to handle than HB
    If you build a new warlock I never ever would recomment going Hellbringer path, its a pain for new player
    Sure having GS 3k+ makes HB more suitebale, but >90% of all player do not have that Gearscore
  • fernuufernuu Member Posts: 453 Arc User
    Soulbinder fury
    Fury overall. NPNM can be easily replaced with... proper placing in battle. FoE = Burning Soul, Offhand has feature for both paths increasing damage (even more for Soulbinder). But Soulbinder has better survivability.

    For SWs with GS less than 3k damnation will be better - wraight will do insane damage (in T2 mostly) regardless iLVL.
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  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury

    Hell bringer Fury, overall, still seems to be the best from my experimentation this week... I will be looking to post an update of my original Mod 6 build in the coming week or two. :)

    Just wanted to correct my above statement... :)

    After quite a bit more testing, I must say that Soulbinder Fury is more then likely the way to go. It really does have an absurd damage output, and more then likely when I update my guide that is what I'll be posting!

    If I could edit my above statements/vote, I would. But 'yay' Vanilla Forums... lol
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury
    i am playing atm a 2k hellbringer fury. compare it to damnation i am happy to able to do solo my dailies and decent damage in a dungeon ( i mean i am not weight). Damnation do that damage because buffs is x on puppet instead +.
  • treesclimbertreesclimber Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,161 Arc User
    Soulbinder fury
    Well i beated hellbringers fury with my temptation, lower il, i cant see how it can be any good but ok.... i mean Dust to Dust and tyranica threat spam does great damage and one can still put all consuming curse with off hand feature..... Apart from this most SW bis i've seen are SB.

  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Hellbringer damnation
    there nothing to beat dust to dust combined with TT i think,
    imo Hellbringer is no option atm except on single target, but even on single target contesting against a Soulbinder it is weaker cause of Soul Scorch
    only Hellbringer that beats my SB damnation is a HB damnation, his puppet deals even much more crazy damage with redicules cheap gear
    but this spec will be very poor doing solo dailies etc
  • deanblockley89deanblockley89 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Soulbinder fury
    I went for soulbinder fury. In t2s the damnation build does insane damage on t2s but I don't like the inconsistent damage across pve game modes. The soulbinder fury can produce amazing damage (single target dot) and if enough AP gain can breeze through trash
    It offers more survivability to hellbringer fury (dead dps = 0dps). I utilise the dark revelry feat in the temptation tree as I recall people claiming warlocks offer nothing to a party, and as I can maintain the buff permenantly it's 20% power and movement speed for the whole party. (25% more group effective dps). It is good for all pve gamemodes, and can hold its own even in pvp
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    Soulbinder damnation
    I use Damnation for PvE and PvP and I am averaging about 130-165 million on the longer fight dungeons, I could not do that as a Hell Damnation specc. One reason, as many has already said, Soulbinder has a higher level of survival with the burst of immolation and my item level puts me under the 4.0 IL GWF, mind you, I built my SW around PvE dungeons this mod.
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  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Soulbinder damnation
    Soubinder damnation hands down, best dmg ecounter, way more survivabiletie than hellbringer.
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury
    So much for votes for Soulbinder Damnation...?

    "Scourge Warlock: Soul Puppet: If your soul puppet gets more than 100' from you, it will teleport back to you.

    Scourge Warlock: Spiritfire: This feat now correctly calculates your weapon damage.

    Scourge Warlock: Warlock's Bargain: Resolved an issue where If damage you take would kill you, you will no longer reflect damage from that hit. "
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Hellbringer damnation
    SB damnation outdamages fury in most cases , even T1 skirmishes etc
    i played all paths, from HB Temp to HB fury to SB fury to SB damnation
    fact is , even in T1 your puppet deals good damage (in case it does not refuse its works), not only T2
    on top you have 20 seconds of immolation spirits, nearly all time up on single target, they really hurt and in case they crit refill your SS faster as you could cast them away
    no creeping death can top this except you play a HB fury that uses immolation spirits?
    that would be probably better, probabaly in case you had a soulpuppet on top, no its for sure SB damnation :)
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury

    no its for sure SB damnation :)

    You should probably check the patch notes I put right above your comment, specifically:

    Scourge Warlock: Spiritfire: This feat now correctly calculates your weapon damage.

    That's the feat that was calculating incorrectly for Soul Puppet damage, right?

    (If not no worries, just from my understanding that's the reason Soul Puppets were/are doing stupid damage and won't be as of next week..._)
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Hellbringer damnation

    no its for sure SB damnation :)

    You should probably check the patch notes I put right above your comment, specifically:

    Scourge Warlock: Spiritfire: This feat now correctly calculates your weapon damage.

    That's the feat that was calculating incorrectly for Soul Puppet damage, right?

    (If not no worries, just from my understanding that's the reason Soul Puppets were/are doing stupid damage and won't be as of next week..._)
    let´s see what happens, if puppet its fixed i swap back to fury for sure, because damnation sucks going solo :(((
    but as far as I understand this patchnote your puppet will deal even more damage because this feat was heavy underperforming dealing about 100 damage per tick or a bit more

    so in case thats the big rework of warlock I only have to say...they did not understand anything and buffed the wrong tree

    "If your soul puppet gets more than 100' from you, it will teleport back to you."
    .....refers to the fact taht the puppet stays outside doors at boss fights, hope 100`is enough distance taht the silly thing will follow

    Scourge Warlock: Warlock's Bargain: Resolved an issue where If damage you take would kill you, you will no longer reflect damage from that hit.
    ...only read about some warlocks that instant killed some dragons by reflecting damage in SH dragonfights? never happend to me that way
  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Soulbinder damnation

    no its for sure SB damnation :)

    You should probably check the patch notes I put right above your comment, specifically:

    Scourge Warlock: Spiritfire: This feat now correctly calculates your weapon damage.

    That's the feat that was calculating incorrectly for Soul Puppet damage, right?

    (If not no worries, just from my understanding that's the reason Soul Puppets were/are doing stupid damage and won't be as of next week..._)
    Well then....Soulbinder fury!
  • taitinhakkaajataitinhakkaaja Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury
    Lol. So they balance SW and make it even worse :cold_sweat:
  • namrekcanamrekca Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    Soulbinder damnation

    no its for sure SB damnation :)

    You should probably check the patch notes I put right above your comment, specifically:

    Scourge Warlock: Spiritfire: This feat now correctly calculates your weapon damage.

    That's the feat that was calculating incorrectly for Soul Puppet damage, right?

    (If not no worries, just from my understanding that's the reason Soul Puppets were/are doing stupid damage and won't be as of next week..._)
    Incorrect. Before the patch, Spiritfire was supposed to cause the puppet to damage nearby foes for 50% of your weapon damage, but was only doing about 10%. The patch fixed this and it correctly deals 50% of weapon damage.
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  • rottersrotters Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    Hellbringer fury
    Hi Kolamaster i look forward to reading your build. im an old fashioned Hellbringer fury build.

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