A thought about AD now that you changed the cost of MoPs.

drkbodhi · September 2015

I think it is time that the minimum amount that we can refine is raised to at least 50k/day. Not that we would ever refine that amount in a day... but there has been very few days where I could not refine over 24k, but was not able to. It would allow people to free up more and budget their AD better. I know players who have gotten rewards from the Waukeen event, that took them 3 months to refine... playing every day and refining the minimum amount.

You have already adapted part of the game to the change in AD availability... time to start working on the rest. I know it is a step-by-step process... and every step has it's time.

dufisto · September 2015

at 24k my backlog keeps growing on my main, but thats almost all due to salvage. my lower lvl chars barely make enough to buy new blue gear.

darkstarcrash · September 2015

Have you tried mailing the gear to your alts to salvage? Almost everything is BtA.

ironzerg79 · September 2015

If you didn't use your limit for the previous day, the first time you log in with a character, you'll get that auto-refined up to whatever the limit was.

So if you skipped a day, but had RAD, when you log in, 24k will automatically be refined. Then you can manually refine another 24k.

dufisto · September 2015

darkstarcrash said:
Have you tried mailing the gear to your alts to salvage? Almost everything is BtA.

since the change i've been keeping the salvage separate to monitor play time vs ad gains. yeah i could salvage on an alt. until they nerf the zax transfer.

strathkin · September 2015

I'd argue you don't understand economics. They are reducing the cost of GMOP by 75,000 AD and MOP by 19,000 AD. This is NOT the time to increase how much AD you can REFINE when most players [85%] can't even REFINE anywhere close to the current limit! You've just had the cost reduced by 3/4, yet are arguing for doubling the current limit to 50K, which you no doubt admit MOST couldn't use--except those who are clearly abusing the system.

Our current high REFINING CAP is another reason aside from users who buy Items / AD from black market (3rd party) providers who are not authorized to sell the products, are reasons in large part behind why the AD:Zen Ratio was maxed at 500:1 representing a major loss to the community. The TRUTH is weither you want to here it or not we need the REFINING LIMIT REDUCED:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1204674/correction-ad-zen-exchange-is-a-huge-problem-in-game

drkbodhi · September 2015

I don't understand Econ? I do and more than you would think. Considering that I have offered a minimum of 3 Economic studies that I have done on the game... to Cryptic in this very forum. All which are based on ACTUAL Econ facts... all associated with building a sound, stable, bot and abuse free economy. Stifling the ability to refine more AD... will only create bigger issues.

The idea of lowering the refining limit is like saying that it is logical to lower the minimum wage. It is idiotic and creates the exact situation that we find in the United States today. The US is in CREDIT addiction phase... where most things are bought on credit. Why is that? That is due to a large number of people who need to work 80 hours a week to afford the minimum of necessities that others take for granted. Do not argue with me on this issue, because you will not see my side and I know both sides.

Increasing the minimum allows for the more freedom to buy things more readily... freeing the grip that the bots have on this game. Bots are the same thing as Credit card companies, they are leaches that suck everything out of the economy before it has even been earned. Bots=Gold Spammers... who earn their AD buy selling everyone cheap stacks of RP. Then they turn round and sell it right back to you to buy more RP.

Anyone who uses the ZAX has a serious issue with balancing AD between their toons or they used a leadership farm... and want Zen for their troubles. I have earned enough AD to have changed that in to 10000+ Zen but I chose not to. Why... because there is very little in the Zen store that I desire or need.

Trust me... I know Econ and I know Crytpo-Econ.

thefabricant · September 2015

drkbodhi said:
I think it is time that the minimum amount that we can refine is raised to at least 50k/day. Not that we would ever refine that amount in a day... but there has been very few days where I could not refine over 24k, but was not able to. It would allow people to free up more and budget their AD better. I know players who have gotten rewards from the Waukeen event, that took them 3 months to refine... playing every day and refining the minimum amount.

You have already adapted part of the game to the change in AD availability... time to start working on the rest. I know it is a step-by-step process... and every step has it's time.

As a pve purist, I get a lot of salvage. I hit the 24k/day cap on 8-16 characters, depending on how long I am online. As salvage is BoA, I move it between chars and only refine exactly 24k on each toon. For the sake of convenience though, I would prefer to refine stuff on fewer toons.

drkbodhi · September 2015

I tend to buy stuff for my alts on my main... that would include the Alliance gear. I have taken to sending salvage to my other 2 characters that I play regularly... just to spread the wealth. As my GWF owes my main about 300k AD... he will get it one way or another.

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rayrdan · September 2015

absolutely not, if ad generation was the problem i dont think we need to introduce another source of it.
24k is ok, considering its not even account related.

strathkin · September 2015

Well first off I have to admit I'm almost at a loss for words 'thefabricant' cause if you are indeed making almost 400,000 Astral Diamonds per DAY or the equivalent of up to 800 ZEN per DAY even at the greatly undervalued diamond ratio of 500:1 across 16 toons you're clearly in the 1% club.

>:)

drkbodhi · September 2015

I know quite a few players who are able to make the max per day on all of their characters... without armies. If I commit to running 2 or 3 DD runs, 2 or 3 skirms and 2 or 3 PvP matches... counting the salvage... I could be over on the 3 lv 70's that I play. That could be done in my guild and with only guild members involved.

thefabricant · September 2015

strathkin said:
Well first off I have to admit I'm almost at a loss for words 'thefabricant' cause if you are indeed making almost 400,000 Astral Diamonds per DAY or the equivalent of up to 800 ZEN per DAY even at the greatly undervalued diamond ratio of 500:1 across 16 toons you're clearly in the 1% club. >:)

To be honest, I wish they would move the refining cap to being account wide rather then character specific, so you have an account wide refining limit which is equal to num chars * 24k Heck, stick in that ability for vip rank 13 and then vip rank 14 could be account wide invoke system with celestial coins limit = num chars *14 and the number you get per day = num chars. Then for rank 15 you could have something along the lines of setting schedules for leadership management (all that rp) and that would be all the pay for convenience you need.

At the end of the day, anything that is super convenient and would be highly requested but not OP and not p2w can be lumped on to VIP...its a great micro transaction, I like it and I would like to see it further developed.

theycallmetomu · September 2015

Players who make the cap or more on all their characters are the exception to the rule, and there's no particular reason why the exceptions need to be made more exceptional.

Try taking it easier.

drkbodhi · September 2015

I hit the cap today by salvaging every drop and getting the AD from 2 DD runs. Not hard to do.

theycallmetomu · September 2015

And yet here we are.

drkbodhi · September 2015

Granted... I make JUST over the limit to refine. Yesterday I made/earned 2 AD over the limit... lol.

theycallmetomu · September 2015

Honestly, I just recommend that if you're reliably making more than the refinement limit, you just take a break every now and then.

jjetcomaqqq · September 2015

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You only think ad was a problem because cryptic told you it was a problem....bahbah sheep

klangeddin · September 2015

I agree to raising the daily AD refine limit only IF it's made account-wise.
A 50k - 100k daily (or anything in within) per account I could live with :P

My main was a bit lucky today, but it made a 34k AD backlog (so total of 58k rough AD) with a overflow exp reward of 30k rough AD. Then I stopped, but if I really put myself into it, I could even reach 100k backlog.
Quite frankly I'm tired of the game telling you to stop playing with your main and go level up an alt, it's silly and just downright insulting.

theycallmetomu · September 2015

Anti poopsocking mechanisms are standard in games these days to avoid all sorts of nasty legal trouble for when people get a little too invested.

A thought about AD now that you changed the cost of MoPs.

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