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A sad day, not for just players, but for the devs, cryptic and everyone involved.
silverkelt
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
I would like to point out before I begin, that this isn't just about leadership, its about the continuation of revolving mistrust between the team and the player-base that is fostered, by lack of communication and too often, complete lack of control on the management side.
Where to start: LEADERSHIP changes.
Your leadership changes could've been warranted, if you implemented them correctly, removal of AD, is a massive change, and what you gave back (exp) is a pathetic joke. Instead of dropping more stones (or unlocking the 3 task only limit) and/or even things like ten day tasks to earn a boa GMOP. You instead devolved all value into the profession (or most of it) a profession that you already made one of the longest to get to the end. Now leadership is only valuable at lvl 24 with the resonant stones, no other leadership task is worth doing at this current time. I can see why you would want to remove leadership, but you did not at all work with the player-base on this, you already decided beforehand and leveled the harshest penalty ever against regular (paying) customers. Ouch.
The next "logical" step: COSTING reductions.
ANY tampering with leadership SHOULD only have come with a announcement that costing was going to be reduced across the board by 50-100% for AD.
Things that should be removed entirely, now that we no longer can generate over half of our AD income:
1. Stronghold AD donation, where do you think we GOT our AD to donate with?
2. Stronghold GEm donation.. where do you think we GOT our gems from?
3. Boons, this is too harsh of a penalty (really always has been) with the lack of AD in the ecomony, this needs to be removed.
Items that should be reduced in cost structure now that we have lost over half of our AD income, THESE are cost gating items, not supply and demand items, supply and demand WILL be impacted by reduced AD, but THESE items are tied into a strict cost gating set by cryptic.
1. Mount costs, always way too high, need to be chopped by 50% of current upgrade (and frankly this makes little differnce to me, I wouldnt spend the AD on it anyways.
2. Companions, this is a major AD dump, fine when you could generate millions of AD , not so fine when we lose most of income, please reduce the costing by 50% total, even then its really , really expensive.
3. ALL refinement stones in the Baazar, by 50% of thier value.
Continued applications of disastrous reasoning implementation, even when feedback tells you a vastly different experience. We (the playerbase) tried to explain to you why Mod 6 was a complete disaster when it was released, we (the playerbase) even tried to tell you DONT release it the way you had built it. After loosing a few thousand customers, you finally got around to fixing not just the WORST expansion of this game, but maybe one of the worst expansions in the history of MMOs, kudos to you for being so brave as to release something so terrible written and broken. This is ON PAR with that decision, making such a massive change, WITHOUT listening to feedback will do nothing, but reduce your income in the end.
Its also becoming increasing clear that management, devs, DO NOT play this game, they do not understand the frustrating levels of work you have implemented and you "think" its fun to spend 2 hours grinding little trinkets to throw in a strong hold coffer, but AT the same time, think we have all this extra time to GRIND AD daily. There is just too much garbage things to do and not enough (LETS RUN DDS) in the game at the moment. Its not good, it is also abundantly clear that what the players want (rewarding Dungeons) and what you have continued to give us are on two totally separate pages.
IM FINE with no one on your side actually playing the game to any extent, IM NOT fine when you ignore feedback testing on items you change in game.
I would like to close with this with a quote be author Ziad K. Abdelnour, writer of economic warfare:secrets of wealth creation in the Age of Welfare Politics
" Trust is earned, respect is given, and loyalty is demonstrated. Betrayal of any one of those is to lose all three."
It is truly a SAD day for the game when we cannot work together to make it better. No MMO ever succeeded by destroying trust.
Thank you,
Silverkelt
Where to start: LEADERSHIP changes.
Your leadership changes could've been warranted, if you implemented them correctly, removal of AD, is a massive change, and what you gave back (exp) is a pathetic joke. Instead of dropping more stones (or unlocking the 3 task only limit) and/or even things like ten day tasks to earn a boa GMOP. You instead devolved all value into the profession (or most of it) a profession that you already made one of the longest to get to the end. Now leadership is only valuable at lvl 24 with the resonant stones, no other leadership task is worth doing at this current time. I can see why you would want to remove leadership, but you did not at all work with the player-base on this, you already decided beforehand and leveled the harshest penalty ever against regular (paying) customers. Ouch.
The next "logical" step: COSTING reductions.
ANY tampering with leadership SHOULD only have come with a announcement that costing was going to be reduced across the board by 50-100% for AD.
Things that should be removed entirely, now that we no longer can generate over half of our AD income:
1. Stronghold AD donation, where do you think we GOT our AD to donate with?
2. Stronghold GEm donation.. where do you think we GOT our gems from?
3. Boons, this is too harsh of a penalty (really always has been) with the lack of AD in the ecomony, this needs to be removed.
Items that should be reduced in cost structure now that we have lost over half of our AD income, THESE are cost gating items, not supply and demand items, supply and demand WILL be impacted by reduced AD, but THESE items are tied into a strict cost gating set by cryptic.
1. Mount costs, always way too high, need to be chopped by 50% of current upgrade (and frankly this makes little differnce to me, I wouldnt spend the AD on it anyways.
2. Companions, this is a major AD dump, fine when you could generate millions of AD , not so fine when we lose most of income, please reduce the costing by 50% total, even then its really , really expensive.
3. ALL refinement stones in the Baazar, by 50% of thier value.
Continued applications of disastrous reasoning implementation, even when feedback tells you a vastly different experience. We (the playerbase) tried to explain to you why Mod 6 was a complete disaster when it was released, we (the playerbase) even tried to tell you DONT release it the way you had built it. After loosing a few thousand customers, you finally got around to fixing not just the WORST expansion of this game, but maybe one of the worst expansions in the history of MMOs, kudos to you for being so brave as to release something so terrible written and broken. This is ON PAR with that decision, making such a massive change, WITHOUT listening to feedback will do nothing, but reduce your income in the end.
Its also becoming increasing clear that management, devs, DO NOT play this game, they do not understand the frustrating levels of work you have implemented and you "think" its fun to spend 2 hours grinding little trinkets to throw in a strong hold coffer, but AT the same time, think we have all this extra time to GRIND AD daily. There is just too much garbage things to do and not enough (LETS RUN DDS) in the game at the moment. Its not good, it is also abundantly clear that what the players want (rewarding Dungeons) and what you have continued to give us are on two totally separate pages.
IM FINE with no one on your side actually playing the game to any extent, IM NOT fine when you ignore feedback testing on items you change in game.
I would like to close with this with a quote be author Ziad K. Abdelnour, writer of economic warfare:secrets of wealth creation in the Age of Welfare Politics
" Trust is earned, respect is given, and loyalty is demonstrated. Betrayal of any one of those is to lose all three."
It is truly a SAD day for the game when we cannot work together to make it better. No MMO ever succeeded by destroying trust.
Thank you,
Silverkelt
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I'm sure "they'll look into" your ideas
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Solution? We must all combine our forces and summon a gigantic FACEPALM and cast it upon Cryptic's offices. No other way to deal with it but humor unfortunately..
Seriously, they are good with the sledgehammers, but this isn't the crew that put the game together. There's no subtlety. They could never pull off something like Dread Ring, IMHO. They take away dungeons, amp difficulty, watch the data a lot. Months later they lower difficulty, and what was that about dungeons??? Oh, we're still watching the data....
Now they are wreaking havoc on the economy with vague assurances that solo players will be given opportunity and that costs will be contained. After they watch some data, do some analysis, watch the data some more....
Am I being insulting? I hope so.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
BUT
I am a guild member. Our guild is actually a huge alliance of guild (or used to be before mod6). As I mentioned, before Mod6 we had 7 guilds and around 700 active players. After mod 6 only 3 guild are active now with 280 players. Is it not an indicator of very bad decisions and wrong way of game "developing"??????????
It is not the end. Now after leadership changes the next wave of leaving is coming. Our guild leader is leaving the game. He, who played this game from the beta and who spent so much money and also had around 30 full lvled characters. He spent every every free time to develop his chars or develop our guild (it was 700 people in pre6 mod). Cryptic should thank him for doing so much for this game and other players. But what they are doing? I don't have to say it again, I think thousands of players said it thousands of times already.
The one thing which is clear to all players is that devs think only about money and want to increase zen sales. What a disastrous way of thinking. The best way to increase your income is to focus on players and their joy and fun. It will increase their numbers and so on zen sales. Is it so hard to understand?
Good job Cryptic or PW or whatever you call yourselves. You have done really gooood job in ruining this game, players fun and your company in the end.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
I'd like to see:
1) fixed AD costs reduced by 90%
2) AD dropping from monster kills like black ice does in Kessel
3) AD and random refining rewards drop in all chests and for all quests in game
4) Fix Foundry and provide real support and real rewards. This area is key to creativity in user base and variety for player sick of fixed content
5) Bring back all dungeons and all skirmishes to play at lvl 70
6) Add huge XP rewards to Leadership so I can at least keep using it for Power Points
7) Give me a week long Leadership task for GMOP. Or better yet, remove GMOP altogether
As a new player, im really bummed out after reading through various threads on this subject as I was under the impression that this game was very solo-player friendly. From some of the posts I have seen from players who prefer doing things mostly solo, they feel as though they need to either start doing group play all the time or find a new game.
That's kinda sad for them :(
Also, to anyone complaining, this game is seriously not P2W, there isn't anyone with enough money who would actually spend that much money in order to get BiS.
"Stronghold Seige: War is Here!!"
really.... now where is this headline?
"Leadership Changes : Roflcopter At Your Source of Diamonds!!"
You really think everyone is talking about Seiges??
You do realize before you feed people a load of bull you need to put on your standard issue MiB shades and press the button on the de-neuralyzer right?
/jedimindtrick "Stronghold Seige.......These are not the diamonds you are looking for...." /jedimindtrick
Your antics was at the best amusing in the past.
WAS....
I can't believe I was thinking to buy VIP for a year ... I must have been out of my mind, I somehow thought things were starting to get better. Screw this! There are better uses for my money.
Who the heII even cares anymore, anyway? They screwed this game hard over the course of many, many updates. This is just another drop in a ocean of disappointment.
I stuck with this game because of the name and because of the combat system. None of that is worth anymore.
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