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4 changes that should be done to fight the bot farmers.
metalldjt
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#1. Remove all the Refining Stones and rank 5 from the SKILL NODES.
#2. Remove all the drops in FOUNDRIES from dragon hoard,feyblessing etc.
#3. Make all the Refining from Leadership BoundToAccount.
#4. Make the DROPS from Dragon Hoard Enchantments and Feyblessings unbound.
@goatshark.
Give better rewards in dungeons.
it would be nice if we lower the rate of rank5 on AH by gettin rid of the BOTs that farm through skill nodes, and get special RP for each thing we need in dungeons.
Lesser union/power/stability stones for artifacts.
Thaumaturgic stones for enchantments
resonance for artifact equipment.
LE: please guys stop asking for Bound on Equip GEAR, making drops from dragon hoard enchantments unbound gives the player a chance to sell unbound RP, while GEAR is easy for everyone to get, we are not in the Castle Never days where ancient weapons were needed by everyone, now Refining Stones are more needed and they replaced the gear long time ago, so if we succed to remove what the bots are offering right now on AH through what they bot ex: Refining Stones from skill nodes , we will be able to create a economy based on what players are able to grind by their own without using 3rd party programs, so making the RP unbound on thos Dragon Hoard Enchantments and Feyblessings like it was in a past, but remove the drops from foundries would be a step forward of not destroying any chances for a player to progress in this game, especially if you want to fix #1, this is relatively simple.
So i dont think there is something bad in making it unbound if you remove the drops from foundries, this should've been done from the beginnin, not making the RP bound.
Just think about it : if you are going to make them drop only in lvl 70 instances, dungeons etc. where is relaltively harder to kill and mobs dont respawn every second, a BOT can't farm it, but a player will be able to gain them through normal play, if you want players to progress through normal play this is the right decision to make.
@panderus @strumslinger
#2. Remove all the drops in FOUNDRIES from dragon hoard,feyblessing etc.
#3. Make all the Refining from Leadership BoundToAccount.
#4. Make the DROPS from Dragon Hoard Enchantments and Feyblessings unbound.
@goatshark.
Give better rewards in dungeons.
it would be nice if we lower the rate of rank5 on AH by gettin rid of the BOTs that farm through skill nodes, and get special RP for each thing we need in dungeons.
Lesser union/power/stability stones for artifacts.
Thaumaturgic stones for enchantments
resonance for artifact equipment.
LE: please guys stop asking for Bound on Equip GEAR, making drops from dragon hoard enchantments unbound gives the player a chance to sell unbound RP, while GEAR is easy for everyone to get, we are not in the Castle Never days where ancient weapons were needed by everyone, now Refining Stones are more needed and they replaced the gear long time ago, so if we succed to remove what the bots are offering right now on AH through what they bot ex: Refining Stones from skill nodes , we will be able to create a economy based on what players are able to grind by their own without using 3rd party programs, so making the RP unbound on thos Dragon Hoard Enchantments and Feyblessings like it was in a past, but remove the drops from foundries would be a step forward of not destroying any chances for a player to progress in this game, especially if you want to fix #1, this is relatively simple.
So i dont think there is something bad in making it unbound if you remove the drops from foundries, this should've been done from the beginnin, not making the RP bound.
Just think about it : if you are going to make them drop only in lvl 70 instances, dungeons etc. where is relaltively harder to kill and mobs dont respawn every second, a BOT can't farm it, but a player will be able to gain them through normal play, if you want players to progress through normal play this is the right decision to make.
@panderus @strumslinger
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Let's throw tanks and healers a bone here.
#4 allows the bot to farm easier than #1.
Bot was doing #4 before DHE was nerfed.
Also GO PACK GO! ON WISCONSIN!
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2. Thaumaturgic stones are not treasure. What D&D version did you play. I played 3-3.5 myself. They are like wiping vanilla all over everything, or giving us poker chips. It takes away from the look and feel of Ancient Never. And we certainly don't need 6 kinds of RP if they aren't going to drop "real" treasure. That's just to fill up our bags.
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1. I do farm skill node if I am close to it such as in WoD, Dread Ring, etc. If I am there, I go to the exact spot to pick them up. May be my interacting farming is not considered farming.
2. May be I am not up-to-date to DHE behaviour in mod 7 because in mod 6 I did get drops from non-level 70 zone. And, I saw bots fighting monster in those zone. In addition, I also saw bot fighting in IWD which is a level 70 zone.
They all believe, that those botters are some kids armed with scripts/macros operating from their parents basement.
Short of turning any loot into boA, there isn't much you can do against those botters...
https://www.arxan.com/resources/game-security-webinar/
Last 10-15ish foundries I ran, they were drop dead zones. Not even potions dropped.
2) Hire someone from a company that has actually beaten bots without stealing from legitimate players.
3) Fire everyone who was in charge of mod 6 release, nerfing DHEs, removing AD from leadership, binding bags to character, and every other boneheaded anti-player decision for the last year.
4) Hire people who understand how to run an MMO without alienating the player base.
it was never about battling the bots. It was about people being able to earn a large amount of AD which they can exchange for zen and not have to spend real money. No real money means PWE profit goes down and the higer ups start getting on the cryptic devs to "make more money" so the devs went "make an announcement that we are removing AD from leadership and cause a panic in the ZAX and boom go from 4mil backlog to zen down to 450 per". All that 4 mil zen was cash money in the bank for PWE and you can spin it anyway you want but thats the fact it was never about botters if it was they would have the RP from leadership BTA because the will just bot that now and sell it on the AH...
so when strum says oh we wanted a stable economy and to stop botters that is total bull they wanted to create a panic and suck up as much cash as their "cash cows" (NWO player base) would produce and then they are going to pet us just enough so whe put down or torches and pitchforks lull us back into complacency before they stick it to us again
the name of this game isnt making a really good game that people want to play and spend money on, its lets see in which directiosn we can squeeze these fools to get as much money as we can through HAMSTER game mechanics and psychological manipulation to flat out lies and false adverts like the Bonus Companion Rewards BS
its a sad buisness model and it will eventually fail horribly if this wasnt the nail in the coffin
since I started playing in beta I have seen this game move more and more toward the pay to win and it sucks
so if you want some feedback here is some just for the devs you want to make money?
1. Fashon- more dye colors than the 6 we have or make the dye packs ajustable so if you like a green or red from a dye pack its not just limited to that one area of your armor or clothes (primary,accent,secondary) more variration on armor sets for transmute most of the armors that are still in the game (not removed) are hidious do not underestimate the drive to make ones character "look cool" champions onlie is a good example the gameplay was meh at best but I spent a ton of money on costumes and people in neverwinter would to the same
2.no more blood rubies in zen store- seriously just stop it this is the definition of pay to win and the price per point is outrageous. there are 60 ranks on an artifact weapon and after rank 45 one 20$ blood ruby pack wont even give you a full rank yea you can manipulate people into buying that overpiced garbage to get a shot at green companion but still you are ripping off your customers. wards can stay, even though they are a bit pricey they arent ridiculous and you can get them in game if need be
3.Be honest- dont be afraid to go hey yea we kinda dropped the ball on leadership so over the next mod we will be dialing it down and making adjustments with replacing the earned AD with something more like BTA RP not just going no more AD and you all can suck it because of much bots and ecomomy and whatever buzzwords you want to throw out there to hide the fact that you just wanted to cause a ZAX panic and carry your money home in a wheelbarrow
Cryptic hates bots because it lowers their sale of blood rubies. Just like cryptic hates accounts with leadership armies generating so much AD out of thin air they can get VIP for free.
Bots, at least the RP farming ones, are not the problem. It is money and cryptics bottom line that drove the recent changes. This is somewhat understandable. They cannot work for free.
So the only answer to deal with the bots? Make all RP and enchants Bound To Account. No possible way for them to profit off them. People want to get ahead? Then add ways we can play to earn our RP, not just buy it from the RP farming bots.
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I do however agree completely that RP should be available from content. They have slowly been adding it to some parts (like the campaigns) but as after 70 RP is your major means of advancement, RP should be added to everything that a player is going to do there. All the campaigns should drop it as quest rewards. You should get it for running dungeons, skirmishes, and PvP. Keep it Bound to Account and even if Bots do figure out a way to run these, they gain nothing. Not to mention it rewards playing, not winning by pulling out your Visa card and buying stacks of Peridots from Bots to make that Legendary whatever.
Winter Lily (CW) / Winter Rose (DC) / Winter Ivy (HR)
Pandora's Misfits Guild Leader
- There is a serious AD depression. This depression has been around since before I started playing NWO in March.
- This depression has been made worse with each Mod release.
- The lack of action against known AD exploiters is partially to blame for this. Some of the exploiters have the AD spread across multiple accounts and multiple characters.
- This depression created the Leadership Armies AND the dominance of Bots in the AH and in the game.
- That depression has lead to an Inflation of the prices in the AH.
- Which makes the program more receptive to bots.
Each of these situations could have been resolved at their onset, but they weren't. Primarily because Cryptic does not know what it does not know. They believe that they have the solution.
I will explain it this way... Cryptic has an ingrown toenail that has become infected. So Cryptic starts hacking away at the toe and the toenail... in an effort to excise the infection. The problem is that Cryptic is using unsanitary tools to do this. They are doing that because they thought that running hot water on them would clean these tools. Therefore they start making the infection worse by introducing new bacteria into the reopened wound. Instead of asking for help on how to fix this... Cryptic starts ignoring the infection and dealing with the pain... as a part of life.
That is all well and good but the infection has now spread and is taking over the foot. Instead of dealing with the infection now... with proper protocols... i.e. using extreme amounts of garlic to kill the infection or going to the doctor to get antibiotics(meh)... they want to fix it in house. So they cut off the toe. Since they again are unaware of proper hygiene and other needs based on the situation, the foot becomes infected. So they cut off the foot. This happens until the cut off the leg to the knee. At which point they realize that all of their solutions have made the problem worse. Here is the problem with that... the infection has become septicemic... or infected the blood.
The infection has spread to the existence of life... therefore threatening their own mortality. Had they just gone to a doctor, herbalist or EMT... seeking something other than their ill-prepared, home-brewed first aid... this issue would have been resolved with the leg, foot and toe intact.
These are the situations that can end things. When someone has no concept of the things that they don't know, things that could and would help them... they do end up threatening their own existence.
I am not saying that this is not fixable... many people have offered the solutions. These are solutions that are based in education and knowing the things that Cryptic does not know... that they do not know. If they do know them... they need to start implementing them.
I don't know how many times I have heard these words from ex-professional athletes, ex-collegiate athletes and the average Joe or Jill in the street... "I know what I need to do." When given the opportunity I prove to them they have no idea what to do. If they did know what to do... they would be doing it, instead of wasting time and money on things that don't help.
When you are seeking to fix something... you go to an expert... OR... you learn how to fix it yourself, before you start fixing it.
I have said my peace... take it or leave it... septicemia has taken hold of the body. There ware ways to fix it... talk to the people who KNOW HOW.