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PVP must stand for Premade VS Pugs

grroupergrrouper Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 578 Arc User
in PvP Discussion
That is all that goes on now with Dom queue every match I see either one team or the other premade and stomping the other random team. Why has the Devs continue to ignore this seeing how it did not happen nearly as much last mod as it does now over 95% of the time. I thought premade fought premade not randoms?

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  • cloudius1978cloudius1978 Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    I solo queue most of my PVP games and I do note that nowadays it takes a long time for the queue to pop, even when it is the "DOM PVP hour".

    I suppose the population of people queuing for PVP has hit rock bottom, so much so that it's barely enough for whoever's in queue to make a 10 men game, resulting in Premade vs Pug scenario?

    For one, I'm seeing the proliferation of Premades in GG PVP (which used to be Pug haven), probably due to the need for glory for SH structures and GG queue pops faster than DOM. Behold... The invasion of premades in GG PVP has began!
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    nice one
  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    its the same at GG. i have another crazy pvp day today. maybe i should write a blog about my adventures .......

    i pvping as usuall at GG solo que with my HR (Irwen) and GF (Irwen Shieldening). i play 7 matches. All of them was players which i never see at my side against medium pvp guilds premades. Lost couse from the very beginning all of them. Cant even grab more than few kills. Always the same, i try cap node alone but many times before cap was finished enemy group arrive and roflstomping me or i barely escape. Then i relog to my poor cleric alt and get 2 easy wins - 16000 Ad per day worth it to make him playable. This start to be unbearable. Its completely on matchmaking luck and zero on your performance-skill (unless you are bis unkillable type like icyphish) and of course majority of times you are with pug than with premade
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    vinceent1 said:

    its the same at GG. i have another crazy pvp day today. maybe i should write a blog about my adventures .......

    i pvping as usuall at GG solo que with my HR (Irwen) and GF (Irwen Shieldening). i play 7 matches. All of them was players which i never see at my side against medium pvp guilds premades. Lost couse from the very beginning all of them. Cant even grab more than few kills. Always the same, i try cap node alone but many times before cap was finished enemy group arrive and roflstomping me or i barely escape. Then i relog to my poor cleric alt and get 2 easy wins - 16000 Ad per day worth it to make him playable. This start to be unbearable. Its completely on matchmaking luck and zero on your performance-skill (unless you are bis unkillable type like icyphish) and of course majority of times you are with pug than with premade

    Too many people give up when the see they are against a premade. When you are the only one trying to cap, the zerg only has you to follow. If all of their nodes lit red invasion at the same time, they would have to work for it.
  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    santralafax said:

    vinceent1 said:

    its the same at GG. i have another crazy pvp day today. maybe i should write a blog about my adventures .......

    i pvping as usuall at GG solo que with my HR (Irwen) and GF (Irwen Shieldening). i play 7 matches. All of them was players which i never see at my side against medium pvp guilds premades. Lost couse from the very beginning all of them. Cant even grab more than few kills. Always the same, i try cap node alone but many times before cap was finished enemy group arrive and roflstomping me or i barely escape. Then i relog to my poor cleric alt and get 2 easy wins - 16000 Ad per day worth it to make him playable. This start to be unbearable. Its completely on matchmaking luck and zero on your performance-skill (unless you are bis unkillable type like icyphish) and of course majority of times you are with pug than with premade

    Too many people give up when the see they are against a premade. When you are the only one trying to cap, the zerg only has you to follow. If all of their nodes lit red invasion at the same time, they would have to work for it.
    not counting how many times i want finish someone with anvil and suddenly reinforcement arrive and start controlling me, omg

  • chambermancerchambermancer Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    With dom premades at least had the excuse of the queue matchmaking not working. But now GG...the thing is I play 5-8 matches a day pug and I see the same guild premades pug stomping in GG all day.

    Here's the deal: I see 3-4 guilds in premades in GG at the same time of day. So the above excuse is BS straight up. Black Lotus, Haters, the clone express guilds, etc all running GG premades at the same time. Hmmmm. Multiple guild premades on at same time? Seems they could go PM vs PM in dom then right? Yes, yes they could. But they don't. Because all they're good for is pug stomping. This is not a failure of matchmaking, it's a failure of pvp guild quality in this game.

    Meanwhile they'll be forced eventually to play each other because they continue to drive away the pug player base that flee in droves for the multitude of reasons posted on this forum for months to mum from the devs. I wonder what will happen when PMs have to face each other once the PUG pool dries up? Probably the game will die because they can't do anything bug pug stomp.
  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    chambermancer said:

    With dom premades at least had the excuse of the queue matchmaking not working. But now GG...the thing is I play 5-8 matches a day pug and I see the same guild premades pug stomping in GG all day.

    Here's the deal: I see 3-4 guilds in premades in GG at the same time of day. So the above excuse is BS straight up. Black Lotus, Haters, the clone express guilds, etc all running GG premades at the same time. Hmmmm. Multiple guild premades on at same time? Seems they could go PM vs PM in dom then right? Yes, yes they could. But they don't. Because all they're good for is pug stomping. This is not a failure of matchmaking, it's a failure of pvp guild quality in this game.

    Meanwhile they'll be forced eventually to play each other because they continue to drive away the pug player base that flee in droves for the multitude of reasons posted on this forum for months to mum from the devs. I wonder what will happen when PMs have to face each other once the PUG pool dries up? Probably the game will die because they can't do anything bug pug stomp.

    this pretty much sums it. problem is many of these medium pvp guild members are mediocre and have no chance against absolute bis premades at arena. thats why they occupy GG. Point is they are mediocre and i can kill most of them with my GF, but its rarely 1vs1 and if yes, there is no difference on whole match. solution is obvious, premades can go to arena, leave GG only to solo que. but who has the power convince cryptic representatives to do it? in most games elite players and guilds care about game and push on devs to make game better. Neverwinter is probably only game where they dont care

  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    There is a choice. Join the PuGPvP channel... send me a PM in game or on here.​​
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    chambermancer said:

    With dom premades at least had the excuse of the queue matchmaking not working. But now GG...the thing is I play 5-8 matches a day pug and I see the same guild premades pug stomping in GG all day.

    Here's the deal: I see 3-4 guilds in premades in GG at the same time of day. So the above excuse is BS straight up. Black Lotus, Haters, the clone express guilds, etc all running GG premades at the same time. Hmmmm. Multiple guild premades on at same time? Seems they could go PM vs PM in dom then right? Yes, yes they could. But they don't. Because all they're good for is pug stomping. This is not a failure of matchmaking, it's a failure of pvp guild quality in this game.

    Meanwhile they'll be forced eventually to play each other because they continue to drive away the pug player base that flee in droves for the multitude of reasons posted on this forum for months to mum from the devs. I wonder what will happen when PMs have to face each other once the PUG pool dries up? Probably the game will die because they can't do anything bug pug stomp.

    except that no one of the above mentioned guild is a pvp guild. Maybe midnight more than other but its still not a pvp guild as far as i know.

  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    does it matter if they are pvp guild, jerk guild or whatever. thy are very significant(or gamebreaking) in pvp place
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  • humorisbenefithumorisbenefit Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    chambermancer said:

    With dom premades at least had the excuse of the queue matchmaking not working. But now GG...the thing is I play 5-8 matches a day pug and I see the same guild premades pug stomping in GG all day.

    Here's the deal: I see 3-4 guilds in premades in GG at the same time of day. So the above excuse is BS straight up. Black Lotus, Haters, the clone express guilds, etc all running GG premades at the same time. Hmmmm. Multiple guild premades on at same time? Seems they could go PM vs PM in dom then right? Yes, yes they could. But they don't. Because all they're good for is pug stomping. This is not a failure of matchmaking, it's a failure of pvp guild quality in this game.

    Meanwhile they'll be forced eventually to play each other because they continue to drive away the pug player base that flee in droves for the multitude of reasons posted on this forum for months to mum from the devs. I wonder what will happen when PMs have to face each other once the PUG pool dries up? Probably the game will die because they can't do anything bug pug stomp.

    Well, that happened me too, and it did make me quit dom and grym... make premade with friends and end up against BIS -team... it matters not if they good-bad-PVPGuild, we try and give up-leave-match.. still we laugh each other because we left opponent without glory and then grind daily stuff to wait 30min probation time, ;).... and so on.
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  • jumpingmorksjumpingmorks Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 876 Arc User
    Actually a better idea is not to fix the pvp system. PvP is a big cash cow for Crytpic, so what better incentive for them to fix it is to wait for the PvP guilds to drive out the pugs completely and wait for the super leet, super skilled premades fear queuing because they don't want to fight other premades. Easy.

    What incentive is there for pugs anyway, they wait 15 mins in a queue to get roflstomped and mass ganked by BiS players that have no sense of fair play, they deserve the desert they making PvP into to themselves.
  • lemonchilllemonchill Member Posts: 523 Arc User
    lots of "solutions" have been posted here before to try and solve this situation, may i suggest another one?

    single q - will prevent premades but the unbalanced and gear gap problem will still be an issue

    party q two or more ppl can q to this and as result take the risk in matching against premade party.

  • neoxyphusneoxyphus Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    lemonchill said:

    lots of "solutions" have been posted here before to try and solve this situation, may i suggest another one?

    single q - will prevent premades but the unbalanced and gear gap problem will still be an issue

    party q two or more ppl can q to this and as result take the risk in matching against premade party.

    You would think this should be automatic...I mean it isn't a lot of code to do this...

    Yeah starting to get premades in 60-69 too lol...kind of sad watching folks with profane gear/t.fey/t.neg/artifact weapons running around with like 3K IL in this bracket...As if that isn't enough they need to be in a premade to win. And people say my 2k IL TR with mostly rank 8 enchants is twinked lol...

    Ah well almost 69, I'm sure I'll feel the pain like everyone else in 70 soon :P
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