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The new domination is **** terrible.

joocycuzzzzzzjoocycuzzzzzz Member Posts: 577 Arc User
edited August 2015 in PvP Discussion
Seriously, revert this **** or make this and the old Domination two different games modes.

Solo queuing is even worse than ever now. People said Paladin and TR had no impact in the new domination? WRONG. I solo queue 95% of the time. And my WHOLE team goes after the paladin. You may think this is great right? In theory, it is since the pally is outnumbered and the node is Blue. But guess what? The FOUR of them keep beating on the Paladin even of the node is Blue. No one of them leaves, they want the Paladin dead, that's their logic. So naturally I'm outnumbered and ganked in the only other node I'm trying to defend. This doesn't happen in one game, but MOST of them.

You may tell me: "But tell them what to do and guide them!" I'm trying, but they don't HAMSTER speak english.

Either you devs set-up a HAMSTER Domination tutorial to teach people how to play (Using SGT Knox's voice so they pay attention) or revert this dumb stealth change. This is only a zerg fest now and even more irritating for the solo queuer.

I don't like pre-mading unless it's guild VS guild. But it's like these devs WANT us to pre-made and crush pugs. I'm on the verge to if this **** keeps going on.


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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    true, but i think most of these is matter of time than majority of players learn what to do.

    its pretty often, that my side is easily winning and i am stuck at 2 vs 2 at GG for some time. After this encounter end (enemy get reinforcement) i cant believe my eyes, score is almost equall, most nodes are red. I already know i must go to node where enemy paladin fight vs 4 -5 my team players. I ride there to the heart of that fight, switch chat to /s and write - stop chasing him, cap nodes, split. it mostly works luckily. we are immediately back on winning track. Maybe ride there (to the middle of the fight) and staying on horse for a while make effect too.
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  • lilhamletlilhamlet Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    The problem is that most new players think PvP is deathmatch. It doesn't help that a "score" is given for every kill and that the leaderboard lists these as being significant, although your K/D doesn't win you a match.

    Essentially it's a bunch of players who think they should have won because they killed more pawns despite you having them checkmated. Or people signing up for a pickup basketball game, then kicking the ball because they think the rules don't allow them to touch it with their hands.

    Note for new players: Fighting the paladin isn't a boss fight, he doesn't need to die.
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    Me, I see that as more of a pug problem than a domination problem.

    I'll be honest here. During the past week I've even seen a lot of premade level players in GG without a clue as to how the new domination rules are effecting the game, especially in GG.

    In GG, under the new domination rules, it's a more committed numbers game. Any number of people wasted in nothingness, that directly effects the outcome much faster than the older one.

    ...and if it's one thing I've learned, I've tried shouting, yelling, coercing, pleading, anything possible to get the pugs moving, and pugs, just don't get it. They will waste the manpower, kill off an often great initiative, do nothing while a teammate gets killed just 100' away... and for what? To stand on an empty, uncontested node, for those 300 points.

    They never see the bigger picture called "winning the game".


    Make no mistake. Under the new rules, PvP IS a death match. The better grade of players now even have a tougher job to spread around and do everything from local defense, to backcapping, as well as KILL OFF the other side and constantly force smaller numbers of enemy players on the field. Under the new rules, the numbers matter, and killing the other guys also matter -- [/b]BUT, a BIG BUT[/b], it only works when you're using the numbers smartly.

    You see an enemy paly that's gone down under 30% HP. A little more hits and he looks he is going to go down. What do you do? If you see other people already on them, and if you judge its a very, very likely scenario that they are gonna kill that paly, then you simply walk and go elsewhere.

    You grab an empty node. The major fights are happening far away... and there's nothing quite so abysmal as seeing a bunch of idiots who have been killed in that big fight, instead of return to their battlefield, just move away and flock to your position to grab a piece of those points. Them pugs are downright so dumb, that in that situation I just let off a sigh and walk off that node myself to go elsewhere to defend or attack.

    Ay caramba. That's pugs.














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  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    Seriously, revert this sh*t or make this and the old Domination two different games modes.

    Solo queuing is even worse than ever now. People said Paladin and TR had no impact in the new domination? WRONG. I solo queue 95% of the time. And my WHOLE team goes after the paladin. You may think this is great right? In theory, it is since the pally is outnumbered and the node is Blue. But guess what? The FOUR of them keep beating on the Paladin even of the node is Blue. No one of them leaves, they want the Paladin dead, that's their logic. So naturally I'm outnumbered and ganked in the only other node I'm trying to defend. This doesn't happen in one game, but MOST of them.

    You may tell me: "But tell them what to do and guide them!" I'm trying, but they don't HAMSTER speak english.

    Either you devs set-up a HAMSTER Domination tutorial to teach people how to play (Using SGT Knox's voice so they pay attention) or revert this dumb stealth change. This is only a zerg fest now and even more irritating for the solo queuer.

    I don't like pre-mading unless it's guild VS guild. But it's like these devs WANT us to pre-made and crush pugs. I'm on the verge to if this sh*t keeps going on.


    That is because they don't know how to PvP. If you want to experience something different... send me a PM... in game or here and I will add you to the OfficialPuGPvP channel. We create intelligent premades, educate newbies and love PvP... and not the BS involved.​​
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  • joocycuzzzzzzjoocycuzzzzzz Member Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    drkbodhi wrote: »

    That is because they don't know how to PvP. If you want to experience something different... send me a PM... in game or here and I will add you to the OfficialPuGPvP channel. We create intelligent premades, educate newbies and love PvP... and not the BS involved.​​

    I'm already in a PVP guild. But I don't participate in premades unless it's guild VS guild. I solo queue only. But the current situation is making me just want to invite a few guild mates or people in friend's list and just pug stomp. It's really, really frustrating having to play Ronnie Coleman in basically every single game I queue on.

    Kweassa basically explained the stupidity of HAMSTER pugs. Your should advertize your channel further to stop this damn plague.
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  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    drkbodhi wrote: »

    That is because they don't know how to PvP. If you want to experience something different... send me a PM... in game or here and I will add you to the OfficialPuGPvP channel. We create intelligent premades, educate newbies and love PvP... and not the BS involved.

    I'm already in a PVP guild. But I don't participate in premades unless it's guild VS guild. I solo queue only. But the current situation is making me just want to invite a few guild mates or people in friend's list and just pug stomp. It's really, really frustrating having to play Ronnie Coleman in basically every single game I queue on.

    Kweassa basically explained the stupidity of HAMSTER pugs. Your should advertize your channel further to stop this damn plague.

    We have a lot of members that are "already in a PvP guild", so to me that does not mean HAMSTER. We PvP with respect... and intelligence. We seek to help those that need to learn these things... as well. I understand the frustration that you have but there are a few choices and one solution. Many have chosen the solution...​​
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  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    The new caping system is kinda HAMSTER up in low lvl pvp and 60s couze thats mostly we're all the newbies come in and refuse to listen to what an experianced player advises them to do :s
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    I like the new changes, not only it takes my 2 hours fight nightmares away, its also easier to tell the new players the importance of Standing on the Node! :)
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