Ugly Tiamat Runs

soonergm · August 2015

FIRST RUN

Last night I did the last 2 runs on Tiamat before the tier 4 bonuses expired. First one started off great. Get to the red head on the first round.. looking good but not sure we can get it down to 25% before time expires. But we made it just in time. If we get to this point I generally breathe a sigh of relief because I know we have the DPS necessary. Also there probably won't be any quitters because we hit the necessary mark (which is BS anyway, you can still beat Tiamat if you don't get red to 25%... shame on you quitters).

Round 2 went great as well... had spare time waiting at clerics. Round 3.. we get to green head and everything fell apart. I had a green gem and used it but died anyway. I didn't see anyone else use one either and so I can only imagine the same thing happened to them as well because we were flawless in round 1.

This is when the name calling began "green are idiots" "morons" "look at anyone with green this is why we failed". But you know... I have a few things to say about this, and I hope some of the people that were in this run with me get to see this.

If you see green death cloud all over the place and you don't see anyone popping the green gems, then don't run in to it. For all you know the guys with green gems are behind you. It's way better to wait a second than have 10 people die and have to come back from the spawn point.

Secondly, I don't see many people using other color gems at any of the other heads.. that's in general. This one was worse. There were 1 or 2 using the wrong color but for the most part nobody used gems... so stop pointing fingers about gems. Take some self responsibility and get a gem and use the freaking thing.

Finally, everyone needs to stop assuming the worst about everyone else. I swear this is the worst gaming community ever as far as attitude goes. In this case I think something went wrong. Either a bug, lag, or some other issue because obviously everyone did it perfect the first time. But round 3 people are noobs and morons? How'd we get past round 1? Lol

SECOND RUN

This wasn't nearly as dramatic as the other one. Basically we did great on clerics and we get to black head for first round... we couldn't even get it to 25%. Worst DPS I've seen yet. People blamed it on incorrect gem use.. is there any truth to this? I've seen it spammed that if you use the wrong gem it buffs the head. However, yesterday I did a run and lots of people used the wrong color gems on every head and DPS was no issue at all. Probably one of the best I've been a part of.

Well that's it. I know it's kind of a rant thread but I am interested to see if anyone else has had similar experiences. Especially with using your gem and not getting protected. Well even the DPS... that's was sooooo bad lol.

zacoria1405 · August 2015

I've experienced exactly the same problem many times with green and also blue, they're the two that people really need gems for or it can all go seriously wrong on the 3rd run. Another problem is people using up their green and blue gems at the cleric stages so that they don't have time to recharge them for when they're needed most......at the heads!
You can get away with no gems on black, red and white but green and blue can easily one shot players if they're not careful.

b0redgamer · August 2015

If you use the wrong gem on a head it simply shields it from that particular element. People look for any excuse to blame everyone else for a loss. This goes on in just about every multiplayer game. It is sad and people should be trying to help others by trying to give some direction or offering advice. Instead they hurl insults and are toxic instead of constructive. I for one try my best to help people and I do not quit as I will take my loss just like everyone else who stays. I try to remind everyone to use their potions and scrolls, make sure to pick up a gem, keep the mobs away from the clerics and try to keep a tactic going (rotating from one direction or the other, from left to right being the most common).

azcrack · August 2015

I dont understand why ppl do not look up a guide for tiamat. There is absolutely no excuse for not knowing how to run tiamat. I am from a time long before guides. And i understand the fun of learning dungeons and raids on ur own. But when it effects everyone its better to know what to do than be the cause for failure. I used to try and help ppl learn. But i still havnt seen ppl standing at the door before the raid asking for help. Not even once. There is that old saying, u can lead a horse to water but u cant make it drink. That about sums up helping ppl with tiamat. Really its gonna get worse when the new content drops. Far less ppl will do tiamat. Especially the really good ones. They will be off lvling and getting new gear. Im still have to do a few runs for my boons and i dread every moment of it.

silktrocity · August 2015

At this point, there really isn't any valid excuses or arguments to be had regarding how the extremely SIMPLE mechanics work. Not being strong enough in DPS is one thing.. but not actually picking up a soul? c'mon now.

The notion that still soooo many players still don't pick one up blows my mind.

willwheatley · August 2015

Yes, using the wrong gem does buff the head, immensly. You can clearly see buffs (green border) and debuffs (red border) right beneath your target's HP bar. It makes the head shielded from that type of damage. For example, every power I have equipped does necrotic damage. So if someone pops the black gem on one of the non-black dragon heads, I might as well go stand by the campfite because that person's idiotic mistake has rendered my DPS useless.

The worst is that I am quite certain there are some trolls doing this on purpose to sabotage Tiamat runs.

raymond00713 · August 2015

YOU'RE THE GUY!! Haha. Nah, no hard feelings man. I think you and I were the only ones with green. I dropped mine towards the beginning because I didnt see any others, if you didn't notice, the green head got aggroed early and he was about to wipe everyone. A bunch of people made it to the head but they all died because of the DOT from green.

I think the worst part about it is they layed there, dead in front of green, spamming help. The only ones alive were me and a tank. Respawn, get on your mount and get over here.

But you're 100% correct, a bunch of people complaining but only two with green gems. Don't worry about it, it's just public chat. Hopefully they learn, green is important.

drexci · August 2015

Loads of people run into blue and go down spamming help then about ten people have to stop and pick them up, happens nearly every run...I'd understand if you went down and you were halfway there but to commit to running through at the start of the aoe and go down on the steps at the start is crazy, every time...

zacoria1405 · August 2015

I honestly think one of the main problems is people using their gems (those that have bothered to take one at the start) by the clerics and then wondering why they don't work at the dragon heads on the second and third run. So many times I've seen it end in defeat because nobody has green or blue gems on the 2nd and 3rd run.
There's no real reason to use them by the clerics, just dodge the attack circle and keep fighting. It's really not that difficult is it.

ipinkbelly · August 2015

zacoria1405 wrote: »

I honestly think one of the main problems is people using their gems (those that have bothered to take one at the start) by the clerics and then wondering why they don't work at the dragon heads on the second and third run. So many times I've seen it end in defeat because nobody has green or blue gems on the 2nd and 3rd run.
There's no real reason to use them by the clerics, just dodge the attack circle and keep fighting. It's really not that difficult is it.

I was under the impression that we are to use the gems on/for the cleric to protect them. I think I read that somewhere on here or in the game. I wonder if that was false.

I too have noticed frequently, the wrong gem being used. Especially people using the gem that is needed next for the previous one. Using green on black thus none or not enough for green. I mean I get in the habit of timing my use of it.

soonergm · August 2015

I'm sure you did read some where that you use the gems at cleric because some people thought that the dragon breathe attacks hurt the clerics. If you watch though, it does not seem to slow down the bar generation at all so I agree that it's better to save gems for the corresponding head color.

tellistorterra · August 2015

I use it on the clerics anyway (i grab green btw). with a Tier 4 unlock, the CD on the gems are only 60s. so why not?

bkthomson · August 2015

I did my first Tiamat run, ever, a week ago with my 10.4K CW, it was a Tier-4 level. (Yeah, it went as well as it could be. I was destroyed I mean I looked like an orange with all the wounds I had.) Lesson learned, I was not ready for that run let alone the Well of Dragons map. Maybe if I can get close to 14K, I'll take another go at it, but really, I felt so sorry for people who had me around them. I had no clue what I was doing and dying a lot. I mean a lot.

fluffy6977 · August 2015

bkthomson wrote: »

I did my first Tiamat run, ever, a week ago with my 10.4K CW, it was a Tier-4 level. (Yeah, it went as well as it could be. I was destroyed I mean I looked like an orange with all the wounds I had.) Lesson learned, I was not ready for that run let alone the Well of Dragons map. Maybe if I can get close to 14K, I'll take another go at it, but really, I felt so sorry for people who had me around them. I had no clue what I was doing and dying a lot. I mean a lot.

You can be an asset at 10k. Biggest thing for CW is mob control on cleric waves and DOT effects. Just make sure your armor pen is at 24%. You would be absolutely amazed at how many 18k GS folks run around without enough Resistance Ignored.

Having said that, getting nice gear other ways is also helpful

azcrack · August 2015

U cannot be an asset at 10k. U are a hinderance and nothing more. Not tryin to be mean but its true. A cleric can be. Glad u seen that u werent ready

ancojo · August 2015

I had 4 runs last night 3 victories and 1 very bad loss! I got Draconic Templar armour and head! Question now, is that 2 piece setup better than the Royal Guard 2 piece set I have?

soonergm · August 2015

ancojo wrote: »

I had 4 runs last night 3 victories and 1 very bad loss! I got Draconic Templar armour and head! Question now, is that 2 piece setup better than the Royal Guard 2 piece set I have?

I recommend trying it out. I was doing the royal guard/grand warden set. I'm thinking of going full Templar set and I just need the boots to finish it off. The biggest issue is that there is no arpen in the Draconic Templar set. But you get more power, I think more crit, more HP, plus overload slots and AP gain. So... imo yes, if you can find a way to keep your RI up, the Draconic Templar 2 piece (with armor) or even full set is better than the T2 sets and split sets.

The only benefit of the T2 sets for HR is to help you reach the soft caps for crit and arpen. If you can get the stats you need without them then they don't really have anything to offer.

I stashed my old set in the bank in case I change my mind later.

ancojo · August 2015

What should my RI be again? Just need the boots to have the full DT set.

Thanks for the reply

cyberguts · August 2015

24% (2400 ArP) unless your Core Stats (Int, Cha etc) has RI

armwald · August 2015

soonergm wrote: »

ancojo wrote: »

I had 4 runs last night 3 victories and 1 very bad loss! I got Draconic Templar armour and head! Question now, is that 2 piece setup better than the Royal Guard 2 piece set I have?

I recommend trying it out. I was doing the royal guard/grand warden set. I'm thinking of going full Templar set and I just need the boots to finish it off. The biggest issue is that there is no arpen in the Draconic Templar set. But you get more power, I think more crit, more HP, plus overload slots and AP gain. So... imo yes, if you can find a way to keep your RI up, the Draconic Templar 2 piece (with armor) or even full set is better than the T2 sets and split sets.

The only benefit of the T2 sets for HR is to help you reach the soft caps for crit and arpen. If you can get the stats you need without them then they don't really have anything to offer.

I stashed my old set in the bank in case I change my mind later.

I am HR Pathfinder and had the same split T2 set-up and went full Templar 2-3 weeks ago and find it to be much better a HAMSTER load of power 6K+ CS 4k+ ( I know way to much )recovery 2+ and really much harder to kill now

Yes you will be a little short in ArmP but a little tweek with enchantments and you are over 24% REMEMBER YOU DO NOT NEED 2400 (In my case 1600 since my strength is 18 which was real easy to hit with full Templar )

I never saw the boots drop so I had to buy them.

Templar has served me well until the Level 61 ( 4-5 weeks )

b0redgamer · August 2015

Keep in mind that damage resistance will be raised higher than 24% in the upcoming update in September.

devtrax · August 2015

The issue that i have ran into the most is people not picking up the Orbs and then deploying them on the wrong dragon, i suggest the Green/Blue are the most important ones as those cause wipes.

soonergm · August 2015

There has been a lot of debate about astral seal during tiamat and whether or not it causes performance problems. I've been browsing the PC forums more and more and I just stumbled on to this thread...

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/563563/4-6-15-patch-notes-dc-changes-attention

So apparently others thought AS was a problem too because they nerfed it for that very reason.

Ugly Tiamat Runs

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