So many tears...

spyg0at · July 2015

I notice most every thread in here is someone crying that this class is too strong or that class needs nerfing or that PvP is so unfair.

Come on guys, grow a pair!

I have never seen more crybabies in my life! I play a lot of PvP. I have full profound gear. I didn't always. I ran PvP until I could get all profound gear and then I asked a ton of questions and played as much as I could. I am far from the best at PvP (page 26 right now) but I try EVERY match. If I come up against a really strong team, I do not sit at the campfire and groom my HAMSTER like some, I get out there and try.

Instead, you HAMSTER and moan about how the game is broken.

Reality check, YOU are broken. Put some effort into the game and you'll be okay. If you're just in it for the daily, then accept that you will get steamrolled by serious PvP players.

shoukons · July 2015

/\--Raar--/\

patsfire · July 2015

Finally a thread that speaks the truth and isn't crying about how OP the TR may or may not be. Those who feel the need to post an entire thread to cry about the TR, are the ones who don't know how to play their class well enough to avoid getting **** on by the TR lol

shoukons · July 2015

patsfire wrote: »

Finally a thread that speaks the truth and isn't crying about how OP the TR may or may not be. Those who feel the need to post an entire thread to cry about the TR, are the ones who don't know how to play their class well enough to avoid getting **** on by the TR lol

BUT! What if someone, who isn't a TR, who knows how to play their class and can toe to toe any TR for extremely long periods of time, or just nullify them out completely, believes that they need to be adjusted for on the scale of OPness they are farthest to the top?

Currently not OP <--> OP
I-SW-GWF--GF----CW-HR----//----TR----Credit Card-I

skeld11 · July 2015

patsfire wrote: »

Finally a thread that speaks the truth and isn't crying about how OP the TR may or may not be. Those who feel the need to post an entire thread to cry about the TR, are the ones who don't know how to play their class well enough to avoid getting **** on by the TR lol

Why are you even commenting on this? You yourself say you don't care about PvP, and have only played a few games once to help a friend.

faceman742 · July 2015

Once again I don't think you get the point of Subjective / Objective.

Subjectively is saying OMG TR SOOO GOOD, they kill me so fast blah blah.

Objectively is saying, well TR's can accomplish this, this, this, and this with their current setup. Each class has a reason to exist in the game. I'm not going into why all over again, I already made a long comment in another thread. No other class can 5 man a premade. At least I have yet to see it happen.

Take the DC for example. They can provide great DPS, but they will lose out on healing. Yes, they can still cast encounters to heal, but they are not as effective. You make a trade off to deal more damage.

You don't seem to understand that many TR abilities IGNORE ALL YOUR ARMOR STATS INCLUDING TENACITY. So saying Gear up Noobs is stupid. You're going to get LB for 35k in rags or profound.

You have a point regarding getting out there and trying. It is the only way to improve.

Posting threads and making comments is the whole reason for a forum, correct? As long as they are constructive in nature that's fine.

I, like Civics know how to play their class. 17k GS Gf. I'm pretty decent at the game, I have PVPed non stop.

spyg0at · July 2015

faceman742 wrote: »

You're going to get LB for 35k in rags or profound.

The difference being, I can survive that.

crispyslinky07 · July 2015

If pvp was a slayer match then trs are op. But it's objective and every class has a unique role. A Tr is to kill as a GF is to contest. Crappy example but you get my point.

Another thing that's been bothering me is that people like to use the leaderboards as an example of how OP rogues are, but what they fail to realize is that the leaderboards cater them bc of the extra points from doing their role....which is killing (more or less).
I've been top pages and see clerics, GF and other non tr close to my ranking with a helll of alot better win - loss record. But I'm right there with them bc of my "defense kills"

Anywho good post, at this point in the game if you still think trs are op gods then your just bad and need to stop playing....I've mentioned this b4 and even more time has passed so if your still in the "tr op" stage then plz stop queuing so we could have more fun competitive matches

caharan25 · July 2015

Come on now we all know everything about the tr is broken. That said you can nullify some of the op-ness by simply gearing correctly. Good defense and deflect matched with tenacity and a 30k ish health pool and that 1 shot starts to become pretty rare. Shocking at this point is where my concerns are as well, it ignores all resistances including tenacity. Play with sound and work the dodge.

patsfire · July 2015

@skeld11 Oh I thought this was a forum where anyone could post what they wanted. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them. I do have some knowledge on the subject not just from my few games, but from my friend who still PvP's. And guess what, he is a GWF and I have not once heard him complain about a TR. Why? Because he knows his class and knows how to combat the TR. He tells me all the little details of how he does in PvP, and I ask him about the TR. I tell him about all the cry babies on the forum and he laughs and says, "they get **** on because they don't know how to play their class accordingly."

Edit: And oh yea, I forgot the: LOL

skeld11 · July 2015

patsfire wrote: »

@skeld11 Oh I thought this was a forum where anyone could post what they wanted. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them. I do have some knowledge on the subject not just from my few games, but from my friend who still PvP's. And guess what, he is a GWF and I have not once heard him complain about a TR. Why? Because he knows his class and knows how to combat the TR. He tells me all the little details of how he does in PvP, and I ask him about the TR. I tell him about all the cry babies on the forum and he laughs and says, "they get **** on because they don't know how to play their class accordingly."

Edit: And oh yea, I forgot the: LOL

Um, K. I don't feel too badly, I tend to have similar views about TR's as the top GWF's in the game, and it's widely acknowledged that GWF and SW don't have a dodge which makes them easy prey for TR's.

patsfire · July 2015

As I said, my friend who is a GWF has no problem destroying any TR he comes into contact with. Once again, if you know how to play your class properly against a TR, you wont get **** on by the TR.

skeld11 · July 2015

patsfire wrote: »

As I said, my friend who is a GWF has no problem destroying any TR he comes into contact with. Once again, if you know how to play your class properly against a TR, you wont get **** on by the TR.

Let us know what his tips are.

shoukons · August 2015

53 minutes of tanking TR's with 0 deaths in a premade against TR's who know what they're doing. Buff TR's obviously. Especially when we have the same contesting power and the same dps output. You see my defense ignoring dailies almost 1 shotting the TR's like crazy!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bvwmV7XsiD4

trentbail21 · August 2015

Listen i would be okay if shocking execution didnt ignored my 3k defense and deflect... I think its silly. That and as a GWF you simply can't dodge it unless you use avalanche of steel or get lucky and kill them WHILE they are jumping but with the black ice/imperial cloak they just walk around in cloak now and just jump on you every 20 seconds or so. Its like my 40k hp means nothing. Why make a tankier class with crazy deflect and invisibility and 100% crits while stealthed? Shouldn't there be a penalty for being hit while unstealthed? LIKE BEING SQUISHY or something?

respectpays · August 2015

im on page 14 and their are a few clases that are overpowered just a little let me ask u this how do u kill what u can't trap u can't catch and u can't see. also has the ability to stun u as he wishes and if u try 1 v1 him he wrecks u

respectpays · August 2015

if u say gwf I can normal run and out run them if I stealth im faster then a 110 mount I have rank 10's in movement speed u can't even catch me on a mount ive yet to find a person be able to catch me lol

respectpays · August 2015

cw shields a a slight overpwored perk along with a hr's fox cunning not quite as bad tho cw build more def then a tank hows that even possible lol and a tr op bc of its dazeing obviously and has higher deflection then a tank just what lol common now. I have all of these classes so yes I do know what im talking about

shoukons · August 2015

Denial vs Denial in guild premade. Showing some more OP TR Shocking Ex gameplay from the only TR to ever get behind me so many times so consistently =(. Daze, Shocking, GG my 52khp and all defensive stats. Another thing that's annoying is that a TR's roll is faster than the movement the XBox allows me to look in a 360 motion. Same issue, a bit more minor though, with GWF/SW stamina sprint and I have maxed up the movement in options. All other classes stamina dodge/roll/teleport are of no issue.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ojxb8milpw

darkpathslp · August 2015

Video says it all for the internet tough guys saying the game isn't unbalanced wheres your proof you nullified or destroyed a rogue who is in the top 20. Without proof its just your fantasy being poured out on forums.

spyg0at · August 2015

I don't kill anything but super squish PUG's and players I happen to get lucky and hit last! lol.

I am a pure heals healer, no DPS, so I never claim to kill anything. I can, however, survive a bit and usually hold a node until I am overpowered by numbers.

darkpathslp wrote: »

Video says it all for the internet tough guys saying the game isn't unbalanced wheres your proof you nullified or destroyed a rogue who is in the top 20. Without proof its just your fantasy being poured out on forums.

ponasjuliuslt · August 2015

The current situation is this: if one gets killed by a stun/demise/stealth, he or she starts crying in forum... Because he/she looses 1v1 fight while playing a TEAM game. And because it is not cool to get killed by a person who has a lower gearscore. I personally play as a stun TR (which I created because my 17k warlock is completely useless in PvP and CWs then should have to get nerfed too because once a decent one catches me, I die without an option to resist).

So from my point of view:

1) They should nerf perma stealth, because a well built stealth rogue is literally invisible all the time and can hold a node 1vs1, 1vs2, 1vs3, 1vs4, 1vs100. There is no other way to fix this, because introducing new items or skills that would let you see a hidden rogue would make rogues completely useless;
2) Instead of nerfing stun rogues (and no, there are no perma stun rogues, there are ~8s stun rogues), they should give each class a break-free skill (or add an additional effect to existing ones), like impossible to catch and the one GWFs have. Then do the thinking yourself: if you play against a stun rogue, change your skill set like I do, let go some of the damage in order to save your HAMSTER. Fights are gonna be more fun when you won't get controlled by a stun rogue/CW/hunter roots all the time. When I play against smart rogues, they use impossible to catch and its more challenging to get them and therefore more enjoyable when I succeed.
3) They should fix shadow of demise glitch, because... Its a glitch.

birdsarcoma · August 2015

As a GF, my method is to try and Mark a TR and raise my shield, hoping my team will kill 'im. When trying to take a node, I take comfort in knowing that it'll take a couple guys some time to kill me /cap the node, thus giving my team a bit more time to deal with the offset number of players (Me in a 1v2-3 means my team is in a 4v3-2).

So many tears...

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