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Hodor's Grasp lasts too long
jaydenomega812
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I really feel as though hodor's grasp last far too long.
I would compare it the an entangling force a CW has and given such it's base length of time seems much higher than a cw's entangle force.
Even with a control bonus of 282 so a 3% bonus on my cw the length of time an entangle last is roughly one-quarter that of the sw's hodor's grasp. Furthermore, I did some testing against an enemy sw without there knowing and used some burning executioner gear on my cw since the sw seemed to like using hodor's grasp on me and much to my surprise tenacity didn't shorten the time hodor's grasp has me in it's hold. That really confuses me but even without tenacity heavy pvp gear on I find hodor's is just lasting too long giving sw's an unfair advantage in pvp.
Though I haven't tested it, I would be apt to say that even the highest control bonuses in a cw's arsenal wouldn't make entangle force last the length of time hodor's does as well they both seem to do the same amount of damage.
I would compare it the an entangling force a CW has and given such it's base length of time seems much higher than a cw's entangle force.
Even with a control bonus of 282 so a 3% bonus on my cw the length of time an entangle last is roughly one-quarter that of the sw's hodor's grasp. Furthermore, I did some testing against an enemy sw without there knowing and used some burning executioner gear on my cw since the sw seemed to like using hodor's grasp on me and much to my surprise tenacity didn't shorten the time hodor's grasp has me in it's hold. That really confuses me but even without tenacity heavy pvp gear on I find hodor's is just lasting too long giving sw's an unfair advantage in pvp.
Though I haven't tested it, I would be apt to say that even the highest control bonuses in a cw's arsenal wouldn't make entangle force last the length of time hodor's does as well they both seem to do the same amount of damage.
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This is one of the few skills that the SW can use in PvP to be more competitive - they already are the most under-represented class in PvP.
Also, what is "Hodor's grasp"? I imagine something like this:
You want to compare Hadar's Grasp to Entangling Force?
Let's see...
Hadar's Grasp has a base cooldown of approximately 18 seconds.
Entangling Force has a base cooldown of approximately 10.5 seconds.
A standard CW build has Spell Twisting + a decent amount of recovery, which brings the cooldown of Entangling Force to approximately 6-7 seconds, sometimes less.
A standard SW build has around 3-4k recovery + possibly some points in some feats, which brings Hadar's Grasp cooldown to around 14.5 seconds.
Entangling force has less than half the cooldown of Hadar's Grasp. So there, it's only fair that EF has less than half the CC duration of HG. Also, EF has no setup time and has a faster cast time than HG does, while HG requires cursing first, and the animation is slower.
Also until you have your BS spell twisting removed, you have no right to complain about SWs.
Oh hey, while we're at it, could my SW also ignore 66% of tenacity like your CW does?
....giving sw's an unfair advantage in pvp"
So CW has superior survival/shield, incredible burst damage capability, amazingly fast cooldowns on CC spells (all things highly valuable to pvp) yet SW has an unfair advantage. Remember NCL event where SW was the only class not to make 40 players in the top 1000... that was not unfair advantage, that was just sad.
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Good one! I just noted it is hadar's grasp and not hodor's grasp... But if SW's had hodor's grasp it would be far more entertaining.
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Awesome that you found this clip. Huge props for that. And yes it's quite accurate for what Hadar's is (yea I spelled it wrong to begin with...my bad...I don't have a SW anymore as it just didn't fit my play-style not to mention I haven't had one since they first came out).
Otherwise...yea I'll admit it I got whooped by a SW that was using Hadar's but my thing about it is....When I go from 81k hit points to 0 before Hadar's grasp even puts me down on the ground by someone with obviously mediocre gear (no bright shinnies as I call them aka Transcendent vorpal or Transcendent negation) then it's lasting too long. Imagine the qq if a CW with mediocre gear could keep you in entangle force and have your hit points do the same. It's unfair advantage. I would just use imprisonment on him but if anyone has actually used that power they know its a joke as it definitely doesn't last as long as Hadar's.
Sw's have other ways in pvp to be competitive as I've seen them and been killed by some of them. Killing flames is like a tr's lashing blade or CW's Ice knife....they have shadow slip which allows them to be immune to CC powers like when a GWF goes unstoppable. The list goes on. Bottom line...to pick someone up by something that is obviously lasting too long does give unfair advantage. Same has been said already about a DC's Gaes.
LMAO.
First of all. CW can do that, but their CC is more a chain of CCs that you can't get out of and lasts way longer than Hadar's Grasp does. Additionally, CWs have CC in the form at-wills as well (Ray of Frost), lower cooldowns by default and also because of Spell Twisting, multiple AoE and single target dailies and encounters (Entangling Force, Repel, Ice Knife, Oppressive Force, etc.). You should not be comparing SW to CW when the damage is fairly similar yet the CW has far more openers and options.
CWs with mediocre gear can keep you cc'd until death as well, they just need to abuse spell twisting.
Killing Flames doesn't do similar damage. It's an encounter that does more damage based on how much HP the target has lost, whereas Ice Knife and Lashing Blade do a set damage on all levels of HP.
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Shadow Slip is SW's shift ability, like GWF Sprint, NOT unstoppable. Warlock's Curse is our tab ability. It's the shift ability, like your CW's teleport, which is a far stronger shift ability than Shadow Slip.
CW has a massive advantage over SWs in any 1v1, you should not be dying to a SW if you're a properly spec'd and built CW that has any idea of what they're doing.
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Nope.
This refers to Hadar, the Dark Hunger, which is presumably a lovecraftian entity from latter DnD editions. ( I think the mentions I could google were from 5th ed.)
Seriously... the powers don't thematically fit a good-alligned water elemental (force choke? Lizard bats from hell as Brood of Hadar?), much less the fact that by canon, a warlock in NWO is a servant of Belial -> LE Baator resident.
It's not useless. The Fury path have some bugged feat which can multi proc for few millions quite often.
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