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Is SS Thaumaturge still viable after Spellstorm nerf?

defiantone99defiantone99 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,634 Arc User
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I have searched high and low for a new CW build that is not the Renegade Ironzerg build. No luck. It seems everyone is using that one. What is a viable alternative besides full Oppressor? Has anyone tested with ACT and have tips?
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  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    defiantone99 wrote: »
    Thanks. I am looking for an ungimped build. They went too far with the non-crit thing.

    Hmm free damage that always crit? Yeah you're right they went overboard with the nerf.
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  • tvcitytvcity Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    i too searched for a non-ironzerg build, but couldn't find one....gonna spec by myself now...
  • flyingleonflyingleon Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    In PVE party buffs are great from renegade. For pvp, I could imagine the heals u can get is the key for choosing renegade. It is the most popular build. Sayajinx gave some other choices.

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    I have created my own TR build out of examining the facts. Does it fit with how I like to play? Does it deliver that with some benefits?

    When SH comes out I will be respecing to a Scoundrel build. Try something new... just because people said it is broken does not mean that it is impossible to play and enjoy.
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  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,464 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    xsayajinx1 wrote: »
    There are several viable builds for CW. Just some for example.

    1. Oppressor (capstone) + Thaum
    2. Thaum (capstone) + Oppressor
    3. Renegade (capstone) + Oppressor
    4. Renegade (capstone) + Thaum

    This is what I went with, and I stacked over 7k recovery and 400 control bonus (with more CB to come). DPS isn't great, but I make lots of mob-cicles.
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  • skitzopyroskitzopyro Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    SS Renegade/Thaum is based on Spell twisting and being able to buff allys as well as spam CC. It does all of this very well and the damage is not entirely lackluster. Focusing on Control is just going to make you weak overall. I play Ironzerg's SS Renegade and it does a damn great job of being Tanky/Backup Healing/Good Personal Damage and Raising Party Damage.
  • googlymoogly22googlymoogly22 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    You want a good guide for SS Thaumaturge CW? Here's one: Role a GWF. The GWF damage at the moment is so ridiculously broken that if you're playing correctly you can out dps every other class by a significant margin. Scourge Warlock is also really good if you're abusing the damnation exploit (Don't blame them, their class is so worthless with out it). Hell even a TR who knows how to play <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> all over CW dps. The only class that is on par if not below CW dps is the HR, but guess what? They control adds better than CW's if specced correctly. So if you enjoy being a buff-bot with mediocre dps then CW is your class. But why buff/debuff when you can melt enemies with broken classes designed by yours truly - the negligent developers.
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  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    defiantone99 wrote: »
    It could have been a chance to crit, not a flat no crit ever thing. And the CW should not have been forced to use SS as its major source of damage. This is an advice post, no need to troll it.

    ...the similar extra damage conferred the DC Righteous tree feat Fire of the Gods (as DoT) never crits, either. So the nerf lends to some equality here, and isn't without precendent...
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    They didn't hurt CW damage that bad. It only seems so because they buffed other classes and now they're often higher than us on the paingiver chart.
  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    aulduron wrote: »
    They didn't hurt CW damage that bad. It only seems so because they buffed other classes and now they're often higher than us on the paingiver chart.

    Few more "not that bad" nerf to the CWs or a Lostmauth fix and we will be outdpsed anything that moves including DCs...

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  • skitzopyroskitzopyro Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    GWF now Smoke CWs on damage both single and aoe. We were the best AoE class and a decent single target, now were blah single and Decent AoE.
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