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1000 NPCs [PvP Campaign Rant]
cloud990pl
Member Posts: 16 Arc User
I can understant many things, even most random ones, but sometimes something builds up sooo much it has to blow up.
1000 NPCs in GG PvP, not players but NPCs, not a spot where you could actually do it but 2 points where they spawn after 30-40 seconds after capture and despawn after point being captured by team opposed to the one that captured the point.
Who's idea it was? What bright mind decided to put totally random, completly situational and definitely not matching in overall task to complete in PvP campaign?
It would be ok if they wouldn't despawn
It would be ok if they simply roam around GG PvP zone
It would be ok if it was only 100
It would be OK if PvP community wasn't filled with DBs
but no, to complete PvP campaign you have to pray each 2 hours that you will be able to do 2 runs and within thoose 2 runs you'll be able to kill some of NPCs which is nearly impossible on either winning or loosing side since:
-winning side has all the points which = 0 NPCs
-loosing team can't leave spawn without being insta killed (some TRs may have a chance there but usually it's a DB that want to take a point alerting entire enemy team along the way)
So who am I to thank for enormous ammount of frustration in trying to complete PvP campaign?
1000 NPCs in GG PvP, not players but NPCs, not a spot where you could actually do it but 2 points where they spawn after 30-40 seconds after capture and despawn after point being captured by team opposed to the one that captured the point.
Who's idea it was? What bright mind decided to put totally random, completly situational and definitely not matching in overall task to complete in PvP campaign?
It would be ok if they wouldn't despawn
It would be ok if they simply roam around GG PvP zone
It would be ok if it was only 100
It would be OK if PvP community wasn't filled with DBs
but no, to complete PvP campaign you have to pray each 2 hours that you will be able to do 2 runs and within thoose 2 runs you'll be able to kill some of NPCs which is nearly impossible on either winning or loosing side since:
-winning side has all the points which = 0 NPCs
-loosing team can't leave spawn without being insta killed (some TRs may have a chance there but usually it's a DB that want to take a point alerting entire enemy team along the way)
So who am I to thank for enormous ammount of frustration in trying to complete PvP campaign?
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The 1000 NPC in GG could also be brought down to 250. (and it would still be challenging to most)
Then I thought it was intended to be kill 1000 PLAYERS in GG (which would be a true feat)
Then I realized that since a TON of players "exploited" the map to stay after and farm these, thus allowing a large group of players to accomplish this feat, the DEVs probably now look at it and say "there are alot of people that have this, WAI" and move on.
I agree though, this should be either brought down to like 100 NPCS imo OR changed to stage 1 of GG where its PVE based.
This actually makes more sense (and oddly enough is easier to attain) than killing GG mobs
Yea, I though same thing long ago because that seemed logical but it seems in Cryptic "logical" is somewhere between "epic reward" and "great success" (and a bit above of "pleasant farming"). Probably should have learned how to exploit GG nad be done with it (no seriously, I'm doing PvP campaign only for Pirate Commander outfit; once acquired I will never again step into PvP because of things like lack of balance, poor matchmaking, frustartion and others)
It's not "toughest" but dumbest, most annoying and unreasonable thing in entire PvP campaign that doesn't have to do anything with PvP whatsoever.
Also having 3-4 teams on opposite side is not an answer to the problem, player should not have to seek help from the opposing team to complete any task from PvP campaign and here we are grouping to complete PvP tasks from IWD or domination (someone once told me there is a way to do it but I still am not sure how). I did 3 runs of GG yesterday and got 0 NPCs killed because enemy did not take the point (except for the beginning but it didn't last long as my team went in, capped it in 4 seconds and left).
PS PvP community is really low as I'm starting to see how 15+ players rush to point where 1 enemy player is trying to get some NPC kills. Is this what PvP community really is? Go get 1 assist (well one person will get a kill but 14 will get assists)? For what? Campaign?
Through trial and error, I kind of stumbled upon a method that works for me to farm 40-50 NPCs consistently during each GG PVP period. I've wrote a guide and posted it in the forum. Here's the link, hope it helps.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?826251-Wyn-s-Guide-to-NPC-Kills-in-GG-PVP-(pics-included)
Finally managed to grab the Pirate set after 1-2 weeks of grinding GG PVP for the NPC kills
GOOD LUCK farming the NPCs!!
GG PVP now is really only for the 18k+++ crowd.
I cannot imagine anyone starting today ever successfully completing the entire campaign within, say, 1 year's time. They will likely give up and quit long before that.
Well I hate the 50 tripple kills in 20vs20 pvp...
It's not that easy (with all my team camping fire)
If you don't finish 50 tripple kills by mod 6
If you dont finish tiamat by mod 6
If you dont finish valindra before mod 6
If you dont finish everything you need before mod 6 you are out of luck..
GS doesn't matter that much when it comes to NPCs because either enemy team dominates or your team dominates thus you will either have a problem to get to NPCs or won't have occasion to even attack one NPC.
Perhaps now it indeed is harder (and probably will be even more in mod 6 as almost nobody will be in IWD and <1% of serwer will be in IWD PvP) but still you can finish it with friends or guildies with more or less problems (depending if you want actually achieve it or go the easy way). I almost finished (9/10 tasks) IWD PvP before mod5 without much problems but mostly because often there were a lot of people attending to BI Domination (lets say I was lucky with this one but I still say it is easy because you can go through "the easy way" to complete IWD PvP tasks even if no one will go there).
Belive me it is not that easy to get 50 triples on the winning team as well because there are so many people that kill belongs always to one lucky sob who damaged enemy last.
PS @cloudius1978 I saw your post but sadly it doesn't help much, mostly because I end up among people with IQ of potato and they often try to get the point no matter what (even when they see me killing NPCs away from the point) and that happens on either winning or loosing team.
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I think we can all agree that ALL current PVP content needs to be looked at and the campaign restructured. my 14k TR who I barely played, is further in the campaign that my 21k GWF because its easier to get last hits with guaranteed high damage crits over a GWF's more steady dps, even my 13k HR had an easier time getting triples and doubles.
I havent played domination PVP for other 7 months, I just dont see a point anymore until its balanced better and we dont have a team of 1 21k and 4 11k's vs a team of 18k 5 man stacks. We may say its due to low population, BUT if there was a HUGE balancing patch, and lots of hype was build over it, and it actually did make relevant changes I'm 100% sure the PVP population would increase thus allowing better matchmaking. Also.. speaking of PVP, can we PLEASE get 1v1 duels.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
I encountered that too while farming for NPCs. 3 ways that might help:
Of course, a lot depends on luck and who are your teammates/enemies. I've also encountered enemies who camp at node waiting to kill NPC farmers.
Stay strong and good luck!
Yea gonna try that and I hope it will help, not that I wasn't trying to parley with both teams to leave one node (for each faction) for enemy in "NPC zones" but I didn't asked for that a single person.
I'm a DC and I encountered that too when I was actively farming NPCs. Just keep trying and you might be able to sneak by with some luck.
I also PM-ed some of the enemies and there are times when the nicer ones not only left me off but also tell their party/guild mates to leave me alone. Made friends with them and we queued together for future GG PVPs from time to time. With friends on the opposing side, at least I know a few of the enemies won't harass me at node #2/4 and when I'm trying to leave camp.
Yeah it's awesome to meet like-minded people. When I started rushing node 2, some folks 'monkey-see-monkey-do' and we had 2-3 players farming NPCs sometimes.
I was able to kill 40-50 NPCs per GG PVP period (record was 55) I think. Took me about 2 weeks to gather 800 kills with my limited play time.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
-- And as side note:
I'd like to apologize to anyone if I accidentally killed farming those NPCs, I try not to.
Or be a TR and sneak past the spawn camp and fight them without stepping on the point so no one knows you are there....
Actually it's not, IWD behaves more like PvE for the purpose of kills count, if you tag someone (deal some damage) and that person dies from something you will get awarded a kill, even though you have not dealt the killing blow.
Hunt some HE PvPs and spam left and right.
The only one that annoying is the "bellow 50% health", with some classes it's usually more than half or dead, there is not enough HP pool to run around with less.
The exploit has been fixed long time ago.
What I illustrate in my guide, is the legit way of farming that 1,000 NPC kills. It works well for me and many others.
Good luck.
Nowadays whenever I run GG PVP, if I see folks fighting NPCs at node but not capping them, I'll leave them alone too.