Batman's cape is multifunctional - which is great, for someone who's spent decades mastering the technology. For Jim, it's probably best to go minimalist, at least for now.
Capes don't unlock until level 20. Gordon's got some street-sweeping to do.
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
Geesh, that's all I'm saying on this. It's not about the new "Batbunnybot" design or the fact that Gordon is the new Batman (personally, I think it's a pretty nifty idea and since Snyder is still writing Batman and it can be interesting to read), it's the fact that I have a friend that really nags him about this, ranting on and on like a possessed toaster that started to spew out toasted bread everywhere.
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Saw an article online, possible spoilers for future storylines or maybe all this stuff has already happened, I dunno because I don't follow the title that closely these days, but...
...It seems that Supes' new "solar flare" power, in addition to depowering him for 24 hours, also leads to his powers becoming weaker over time. He goes to the Fortress to find out what's going on - and is refused entrance, because his DNA no longer matches Kryptonian standard. The Fortress also operates under the assumption that since his DNA isn't Kryptonian, he must therefore have stolen the costume, and confiscates it. He has to make his way back to Metropolis, use his "Clark Kent" money to buy clothing (including a Superman tee, because, as noted in the pages Biff showed in another thread, "the cat's already out of the bag" on his "Secret Identity" thing), and gets a motorcycle to get around because he can't fly any more - basically, his power level is back down to when he was first introduced in 1939.
As for the bloody knuckles, your guess is as good as mine.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
it would be nice if the plot line of comics actually advanced though. I mean Bruce Wayne is now literally in his 90s, and its rather ridiculously to keep the same character at the peak of his life throughout their history. They constantly do these reboots so they don't have to really think that hard and consider adding depth with a new possible person filling in the mains role. Because heaven forbid that there might be an actual successor to the mantle of Batman.
While I don't always like where the comic stories go. My thought on this was always...if you want that, then read manga. Western comics is about the character. Punisher is a vet of whatever war/skirmish/government agency that makes sense at the time...hence rebooted.
Frank Castle is Punisher. If you want to see someone take over the mantle of Punisher, you read Punisher 2099, or some other what if/future storyline comic.
Saw an article online, possible spoilers for future storylines or maybe all this stuff has already happened, I dunno because I don't follow the title that closely these days, but...
...It seems that Supes' new "solar flare" power, in addition to depowering him for 24 hours, also leads to his powers becoming weaker over time. He goes to the Fortress to find out what's going on - and is refused entrance, because his DNA no longer matches Kryptonian standard. The Fortress also operates under the assumption that since his DNA isn't Kryptonian, he must therefore have stolen the costume, and confiscates it. He has to make his way back to Metropolis, use his "Clark Kent" money to buy clothing (including a Superman tee, because, as noted in the pages Biff showed in another thread, "the cat's already out of the bag" on his "Secret Identity" thing), and gets a motorcycle to get around because he can't fly any more - basically, his power level is back down to when he was first introduced in 1939.
As for the bloody knuckles, your guess is as good as mine.
The whole "is refused to gain entrance to the Fortress" makes me miss the key he used in Grant Morrison's "All-Star Superman" as it was hidden under the "Welcome" sign by the door. :biggrin:
But yeah, I just looked at a preview about the comic and I'm not very thrilled about the direction Greg Pak goes with him. And I'm not bashing him or anything as I'm sure he's an excellent writer, it just feels as if Superman these days is more of an after thought rather than a front, like DC just goes "... Oh right! We forgot about Superman!"
Case and point: Superman is not supposed to be gritty/dark nor should it never be.
Now if you excuse me, I will go and read Mark Waid's "Superman: Birthright" again.
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While I haven't liked every direction they've gone with Superman, and I don't care for the idea of him not flying, I do like the idea of powering him down.
Superman being the most powerful super on Earth is fine, he doesn't have to be the most unbeatable. I wouldn't make him beatable by a normal man (ie Batman) without kryptonite/iron man suit, but seeing some other super powers actually be a more serious threat to him is a good thing.
I like the direction Superman is on just now. He isnt an unstoppable Mary Sue. OK I'll admit DC has stated this is just a story and the power loss wont stick but the fact that Supe's overpowered Solar burst power leaves him weakened for extended periods afterwards is an interesting addition to his character.
He really did need a better weakness than some glowing rocks.
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While I don't always like where the comic stories go. My thought on this was always...if you want that, then read manga. Western comics is about the character. Punisher is a vet of whatever war/skirmish/government agency that makes sense at the time...hence rebooted.
Frank Castle is Punisher. If you want to see someone take over the mantle of Punisher, you read Punisher 2099, or some other what if/future storyline comic.
The problem is, these characters were only suppose to be ideas that had form, not a single person or entity. Even Bruce states that in Batman Begins, while coming up with the concept of his vigilante persona. And there in lies the problem. Superman I can handle being timeless since he's an alien that ages slower than us mere mortals. But Batman, Punisher and so forth, the mantle can be passed to other people. The ghost can be let go. No, these personas are not just Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle. That's the stupidity of the fanbase talking because the Punisher or Batman can be anyone that has the right mindset and gumption to do so.
The problem is, these characters were only suppose to be ideas that had form, not a single person or entity. Even Bruce states that in Batman Begins, while coming up with the concept of his vigilante persona. And there in lies the problem. Superman I can handle being timeless since he's an alien that ages slower than us mere mortals. But Batman, Punisher and so forth, the mantle can be passed to other people. The ghost can be let go. No, these personas are not just Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle. That's the stupidity of the fanbase talking because the Punisher or Batman can be anyone that has the right mindset and gumption to do so.
But the thing is Bruce is has retired and given the mantle of Batman to someone much older.
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But the thing is Bruce is has retired and given the mantle of Batman to someone much older.
I don't think they've ever made up their mind on how old Jim Gordon is. Hell, in Batman Begins, Jim Gordon was a beat cop that put a jacket on young what 12 year old Bruce, and of course Bruce comes back in his 30s and Jim Gordon some how avoided time completely because he hadn't changed much.
Either way, I am talking the mantle can be passed to new people. It wouldn't hurt that once a generation someone new takes up these causes. It stops making the characters look ridiculous, like the Punisher does who was a veteran of Vietnam, then the Gulf, now Iraq. It's getting silly with these reboots. Hell, Terri MacGuiness is a good example of a character that can take up the mantle have similar backstories but not be 100% the same person but still interesting (at least until they ****ed that up in the one Justice League episode where they made Bruce Terri's father).
I don't think they've ever made up their mind on how old Jim Gordon is. Hell, in Batman Begins, Jim Gordon was a beat cop that put a jacket on young what 12 year old Bruce, and of course Bruce comes back in his 30s and Jim Gordon some how avoided time completely because he hadn't changed much.
In the current set up Bruce is around 30, where Jim Gordon is 46. When Gordon first met Bruce , Gordon must have just been a really old looking 20 something :P
Still Batman's interactions with Batgirl is going to be interesting, because he knows that she knows that HE KNOWS. Wonder if he will ever give her hell for wearing tight clothing and jumping off buildings
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The problem is, these characters were only suppose to be ideas that had form, not a single person or entity. Even Bruce states that in Batman Begins, while coming up with the concept of his vigilante persona. And there in lies the problem. Superman I can handle being timeless since he's an alien that ages slower than us mere mortals. But Batman, Punisher and so forth, the mantle can be passed to other people. The ghost can be let go. No, these personas are not just Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle. That's the stupidity of the fanbase talking because the Punisher or Batman can be anyone that has the right mindset and gumption to do so.
That's a bit of narrow thinking. Most superheroes have superpowers that can't just be given to the next guy.
"Sure, you can be the next Angel. But it won't make a lot of sense since you don't have wings."
"Sure, you can be the next Thing, but you're not a rock monster. What makes you a "thing?"
"Sure, you can be the next Wolverine, but you're not a terrible, horrible Mary Sue."
That's a bit of narrow thinking. Most superheroes have superpowers that can't just be given to the next guy.
"Sure, you can be the next Angel. But it won't make a lot of sense since you don't have wings."
"Sure, you can be the next Thing, but you're not a rock monster. What makes you a "thing?"
"Sure, you can be the next Wolverine, but you're not a terrible, horrible Mary Sue."
Funnily enough many super heroes do have super powers that can be transfered. Green Lantern for example. Batman, Punisher, and many of the others like them though, do not have super powers, and their mantle can be transfered. There are actually startling few exceptions in super hero comics where the mantle, if not the powers themselves, cannot be transfered. The big ones I can even think of that can't be outright transfered without being convoluted are Superman, Hulk, Spider-man, the Flash and that's really just about it of the big names. And even they have had their powers transfered in some fashion or another.
Most of the super heroes powers are transferable and in fact were the highlights of major arcs on several occasions for some. The Green Lantern is a prime example of this since at last headcount Earth now has what 4 or 5 Green Lanterns for some odd reason? The power of the sorcerer supreme can also be transfered, Doctor Strange is not limited, but since the powers of the Sorcerer Supreme allow him to live a lot longer that one is a bit of a pass, for now. Hell, even Hulks powers have been transfered to multiple people now, with Red Hulk basically surpassing Bruce, and his cousin Jen pretty much being his equal or even superior now. Thor's hammer can be transfered to another person, as has been made aware many times over, and Steve Roger's doesn't have to remain Captain America.
Most of the super heroes powers are transferable and in fact were the highlights of major arcs on several occasions for some. The Green Lantern is a prime example of this since at last headcount Earth now has what 4 or 5 Green Lanterns for some odd reason? .
Catwoman has a Green lantern ring but they wont let her charge her ring because..well shes a super villain reasons .
Yup she just kicked the snot out of Green Lantern, Batman , Superman and The Flash.
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Funnily enough many super heroes do have super powers that can be transfered. Green Lantern for example. Batman, Punisher, and many of the others like them though, do not have super powers, and their mantle can be transfered. There are actually startling few exceptions in super hero comics where the mantle, if not the powers themselves, cannot be transfered. The big ones I can even think of that can't be outright transfered without being convoluted are Superman, Hulk, Spider-man, the Flash and that's really just about it of the big names. And even they have had their powers transfered in some fashion or another.
Most of the super heroes powers are transferable and in fact were the highlights of major arcs on several occasions for some. The Green Lantern is a prime example of this since at last headcount Earth now has what 4 or 5 Green Lanterns for some odd reason? The power of the sorcerer supreme can also be transfered, Doctor Strange is not limited, but since the powers of the Sorcerer Supreme allow him to live a lot longer that one is a bit of a pass, for now. Hell, even Hulks powers have been transfered to multiple people now, with Red Hulk basically surpassing Bruce, and his cousin Jen pretty much being his equal or even superior now. Thor's hammer can be transfered to another person, as has been made aware many times over, and Steve Roger's doesn't have to remain Captain America.
You're trying to skew the facts in your favor. A few exceptions where powers can't be transferred versus the huge overwhelming amount that can?
Let's start with the X-Men. Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Iceman, Professor X, Nightcrawler, Havok, Psylocke, Rogue. What about the New Mutants? Rahne, Karma, Cannonball, Sunspot, Boom Boom, Cypher (I suppose he could pass down his mantle by teaching a language class, har har), Rictor...
Okay maybe the X-Men are not the best example for you. Spider-Man, Thing, Human Torch, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Daredevil, Luke Cage...
While there are a great many who can pass on their powers, I don't think it's anywhere near the ratio you're suggesting.
You're trying to skew the facts in your favor. A few exceptions where powers can't be transferred versus the huge overwhelming amount that can?
Let's start with the X-Men. Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Iceman, Professor X, Nightcrawler, Havok, Psylocke, Rogue. What about the New Mutants? Rahne, Karma, Cannonball, Sunspot, Boom Boom, Cypher (I suppose he could pass down his mantle by teaching a language class, har har), Rictor...
Okay maybe the X-Men are not the best example for you. Spider-Man, Thing, Human Torch, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Daredevil, Luke Cage...
While there are a great many who can pass on their powers, I don't think it's anywhere near the ratio you're suggesting.
Cyclops is not the only one of his kind and outside of that, being a douche and having leadership skills are not exclusive to him.
Beast, again, is not alone in being a super strong character with super genius either. His only unique trait is he is a blue fuzzball, which makes him identifiable and different from other characters.
Jean Grey, umm, not only is her powers transferable, but was the subject of one of the latest story arcs. So yea.
Psylocke is a telekinetic and psychic with assassin training, you're stretching with this one.
Rahne's mutant power is she is a werewolf. Umm, exactly how rare is that now in the media these days? The only difference in her is she was raised by an abusive holier than thou father. Any additional powers she gained were from transfers from other people, or sleeping with gods.
I mean seriously, your list is getting silly because a lot of your mutants have been simulated or displayed by other characters. It's not even a stretch at this point.
And it's clear Biff, you didn't bother reason my post, especially since Spider-man's powers were transfered just recently and I even listed Spider-man as one of the few who I would not consider transferable without something convoluted.
Thing already been done multiple times, including now there is a Lady Thing.
Human Torch, how many people can put themselves on fire and shoot fireballs in Marvel?
There are a great many who can pass on their powers, but you want exact clones not a new person to fill in the role. But again you didn't read my post to begin with even though right in the quote you quoted you missed key points I made. You act as if these powers are solely exclusive to one person now, and that someone new can't be found, or hell someone with new powers being chosen. It's not a foreign concept anymore, it's just the ridiculousness that not only have the powers been transferred to new people before, but it's happened multiple times.
The problem is, these characters were only suppose to be ideas that had form, not a single person or entity. Even Bruce states that in Batman Begins, while coming up with the concept of his vigilante persona. And there in lies the problem. Superman I can handle being timeless since he's an alien that ages slower than us mere mortals. But Batman, Punisher and so forth, the mantle can be passed to other people. The ghost can be let go. No, these personas are not just Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle. That's the stupidity of the fanbase talking because the Punisher or Batman can be anyone that has the right mindset and gumption to do so.
Batman in the story may have been that way, it doesn't mean the readers or even writers see it that way.
Spider-Man is Peter Parker.
There are very few who have been written that feel right about taking over the mantle of whoever. Miles for instance doesn't feel right to taking over for Peter, and likely because he just showed up.
**** Grayson as Batman makes some sense, but even then, when he does it people wonder why he didn't just keep his original identity, Nightwing. Nightwing was his own.
Cyclops is not the only one of his kind and outside of that, being a douche and having leadership skills are not exclusive to him.
Beast, again, is not alone in being a super strong character with super genius either. His only unique trait is he is a blue fuzzball, which makes him identifiable and different from other characters.
Jean Grey, umm, not only is her powers transferable, but was the subject of one of the latest story arcs. So yea.
Psylocke is a telekinetic and psychic with assassin training, you're stretching with this one.
Rahne's mutant power is she is a werewolf. Umm, exactly how rare is that now in the media these days? The only difference in her is she was raised by an abusive holier than thou father. Any additional powers she gained were from transfers from other people, or sleeping with gods.
I mean seriously, your list is getting silly because a lot of your mutants have been simulated or displayed by other characters. It's not even a stretch at this point.
And it's clear Biff, you didn't bother reason my post, especially since Spider-man's powers were transfered just recently and I even listed Spider-man as one of the few who I would not consider transferable without something convoluted.
Thing already been done multiple times, including now there is a Lady Thing.
Human Torch, how many people can put themselves on fire and shoot fireballs in Marvel?
There are a great many who can pass on their powers, but you want exact clones not a new person to fill in the role. But again you didn't read my post to begin with even though right in the quote you quoted you missed key points I made. You act as if these powers are solely exclusive to one person now, and that someone new can't be found, or hell someone with new powers being chosen. It's not a foreign concept anymore, it's just the ridiculousness that not only have the powers been transferred to new people before, but it's happened multiple times.
So you're saying each one of these heroes, at the end of their careers, will find it easy to pass their name on to someone else. Just because someone has similar powers or looks doesn't mean they'd be a good candidate for being the next in line.
If, let's say every 20 or 30 years, the writers would change the person behind the mask, how stupid and yes, convoluted, would this be? You're saying it's bad to keep the same person for 90 years? Look at your alternative. Hundreds of superheroes who just happened to have stumbled across mini-me versions of themselves who don't want their own identity; they'd rather just take someone else's name because the big two have to sell books.
Not only is a direct power transfer stupid on such a large scale, but coming up with a new guy that just happens to have the same powers...
If you look at that whole situation and think that's a better alternative, then I don't know what else to say to you.
I, personally, prefer a comics world that doesn't give a poo about real-world time. It's comic books, people can fly move mountains. A little time-bending is where you draw the line on suspension of disbelief? I'd honestly rather have reboots instead of "Hi, I'm Spider-Man IV, I also got bit by a radioactive spider and got superpowers on a million-to-one chance, too. Nice to meet you, seventh guy who was born with claws and has a metal-covered skeleton also and you can't die because your writers are stupid!" as long as they're done right.
This isn't to say I haven't liked some name pass downs, but most have been awful, when they're done as current timeline passing of the mantles.
2099 version for instance, isn't bad (well depending on the writing of course), since it figures a lot of time has gone by and it's much more into the future.
**** Grayson as Batman didn't seem bad to me, but I did wonder why he couldn't just stay Nightwing, a well established and just as good hero identity. Maybe it was time to just let the Bat mantle die, unless it went to whoever was the current Robin (who isn't Damien )
While not male, I liked Spider-Girl taking over the roll of Spider-Man in the future.
Terry as Batman worked well too (goes with the future timeline).
Rachel Summers as the new Phoenix (though I never had a problem with Jean coming back to life, makes sense when one is a Phoenix).
Some of it could just be bad writing versus good writing of course, but generally, out of no where replacements are suckie.
Waitaminnit. Cyclops isn't the only one of his kind? You mean there are lots of people running around Marvel Comics who emit beams of physical force from their eyes, capable of leveling mountains? 'Cause that's about the only way passing on the "mantle" of Cyclops makes any sense - you wouldn't just take some random schlub, slap a set of goggles on him, and try to pass him off as Cyclops, would you? I mean, except maybe at SDCC?
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
I know it seems I'm kinda moving the goalposts here but it wasn't intended. When I first thought of "who would be Rahne II?" I thought, yeah there's many wolf-people out there (hell, most mutants are monsters now, it appears), who would be just itching to take up the Wolfsbane mantle?
Unless the New Mutants were made to replace the X-Men, it doesn't really make sense for someone else who just happens to have the same or similar powers, to want to be the next one.
And we've also got to think of the bad guys as well.
Although, I still think it's a dumb idea having hundreds of heroes passing down their legacies, I do think it would provide some new opportunities. First off, it would make gender-bending (like Spider-Girl) and race-bending a bit easier, you could be all-inclusive with all the characters ("I'm a Mexican-bi-trans-paraplegic, who's representing meeeee????"). Would also make for easier side-switching ("I'm Magenta, Magneto's daughter, and he hates that I'm a good guy!")
Guess it has its upshots, but still a silly thought to me.
Funnily enough many super heroes do have super powers that can be transfered. Green Lantern for example. Batman, Punisher, and many of the others like them though, do not have super powers, and their mantle can be transfered. There are actually startling few exceptions in super hero comics where the mantle, if not the powers themselves, cannot be transfered. The big ones I can even think of that can't be outright transfered without being convoluted are Superman, Hulk, Spider-man, the Flash and that's really just about it of the big names. And even they have had their powers transfered in some fashion or another.
Most of the super heroes powers are transferable and in fact were the highlights of major arcs on several occasions for some. The Green Lantern is a prime example of this since at last headcount Earth now has what 4 or 5 Green Lanterns for some odd reason? The power of the sorcerer supreme can also be transfered, Doctor Strange is not limited, but since the powers of the Sorcerer Supreme allow him to live a lot longer that one is a bit of a pass, for now. Hell, even Hulks powers have been transfered to multiple people now, with Red Hulk basically surpassing Bruce, and his cousin Jen pretty much being his equal or even superior now. Thor's hammer can be transfered to another person, as has been made aware many times over, and Steve Roger's doesn't have to remain Captain America.
Transfering powers/the legacy to others so the figure can live on and become immortalized reminds me of the Batman: Brave and the Bold episode "The Knights of Tomorrow." If you haven't seen it, I do recommend it.
I, personally, prefer a comics world that doesn't give a poo about real-world time. It's comic books, people can fly move mountains. A little time-bending is where you draw the line on suspension of disbelief? I'd honestly rather have reboots instead of "Hi, I'm Spider-Man IV, I also got bit by a radioactive spider and got superpowers on a million-to-one chance, too. Nice to meet you, seventh guy who was born with claws and has a metal-covered skeleton also and you can't die because your writers are stupid!" as long as they're done right.
Agreed on this! Although I do like story arcs in which a significant period of time has passed. When it's done right, that is.
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I don't recall Ms Marvel selling that well, but I guess being in the top 100 is well with all the comics out there?
"Ms. Marvel Volume 1: No Normal was the best-selling graphic novel in October 2014, and by November 2014, it reached #2 on The New York Times Best Seller list of paperback graphic books. In April 2015, Ms. Marvel Volume 2: Generation Why debuted at #4 on The New York Times Best Seller list of paperback graphic books."
It's also consistently been Marvel's top digital seller.
^Yup.
I'm also following Diamond charts quite frequently since it's the only semi-reliable way of knowing how publishers are doing with their books. Everything else might be just a media hype.
Marvel pretty much proved that keeping up with the internet might be a good idea for a publisher. Now, they coud limit writing for trades, as any other publisher these days, but it's an unrelated issue.
I'm happy to see superhero comic books slowly crawling from this abyss they were rolling into since nineties, be it with Marvel or anyone else. Seems like Marvel found the way that works for them*.
This first Batman pic is Jim Lee? Looks like his style. Might be a good artist choice since it's a hero who actually makes sense having armor plates sewn in everywhere on his costume. :biggrin:
* - But of course what helps Marvel is also to have a persistence as a publisher. Some of their ongoings probably would be cancelled long time ago if they were DC books just because they don't do good enough.
**** Grayson as Batman makes some sense, but even then, when he does it people wonder why he didn't just keep his original identity, Nightwing. Nightwing was his own.
Comon forum swear filter why you hate on The **** Greyson he was the bestest Robin U_U
Also with you guys talking of Marvel I hope this new secret wars thingy doesnt mess up Peter Parker Millionaire weapons inventor thing.
Doctor Octopus sorta failed at being a bad guy huh its just like HEY PARKER! Have this company I built from scratch K bye im off to die now :O
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Okay, let's say there's some just...just really terrible person who actually wants it... they could just make some sort of visor that shoots force lasers out of it. It's comic books after all, they can do anything! Move mountains, make force visors, rub two people together so that the adamantium skeleton and healing factor from one person oozes into the other, super powerful headbutt to transfer psychic powers, teleport INTO the other person to give them your teleporting powers, etc...
Honestly the only reason I think anyone would pass on Batman's mantle is because the day it's announced that Batman is no longer in action, the city would be literally swarming with crime. Like just imagine every criminal being broken out of jail, people who have been behaving just suddenly becoming criminals, all just getting super excited and just going at crime with the enthusiasm of a demented five year old... eventually it starts to be a contest between who can do the most terrible crime, etc etc....
By the time Super Man showed up to take care of the situation, the city would probably have been blown up with any survivors being traumatized beyond help for the rest of their lives.
What the hell are they doing to Inferno? If they screw up the best X-Men story in existence, I'll poop a dook.
I...I don't even know how to respond to that (other than to suggest a good mental health professional ).
Anything involving Maddy Pryor or Mr. Sinister makes me hold my nose, and then to make the cluster&^$@ed crossover of all the cluster#&%ed crossovers about them...well, at least I was mildly amused by X-Terminators.
I'm curious where the numbers for the digital sales are. Finding the book sales is easy enough. Went to Marvel's Digital Comic Store, Captain Marvel is up there, but Ms Marvel doesn't seem to be up there when searching by best sellers.
What I was surprised to see was Ghost Rider doing better in digital than Thor by what the site was saying. With no Ms Marvel titles in the first five pages.
Spider titles that aren't Miles related are doing well.
I'm curious where the numbers for the digital sales are. Finding the book sales is easy enough. Went to Marvel's Digital Comic Store, Captain Marvel is up there, but Ms Marvel doesn't seem to be up there when searching by best sellers.
What I was surprised to see was Ghost Rider doing better in digital than Thor by what the site was saying. With no Ms Marvel titles in the first five pages.
Spider titles that aren't Miles related are doing well.
Star Wars is up there with lots of titles too.
Spider Man and Star Wars are doing amazing in retail also.
DC retail wise its still pretty much the Bat Books that sell...oddly with Harley Quinn doing the best :V
HA the Jokers girlfriend has done something the Joker has never done...gotten the better of Batman.
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Spider Man and Star Wars are doing amazing in retail also.
DC retail wise its still pretty much the Bat Books that sell...oddly with Harley Quinn doing the best :V
HA the Jokers girlfriend has done something the Joker has never done...gotten the better of Batman.
<Insert typical, loud, all-caps rant here about the injustice of those rankings, calling them obviously fake and that DC should listen to their fans and make more Batman comics>
:rolleyes:
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<insert Typical, Loud, All-caps Rant Here About The Injustice Of Those Rankings, Calling Them Obviously Fake And That Dc Should Listen To Their Fans And Make More Batman Comics>
:rolleyes:
aquaman Is The Bestest!
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I...I don't even know how to respond to that (other than to suggest a good mental health professional ).
Anything involving Maddy Pryor or Mr. Sinister makes me hold my nose, and then to make the cluster&^$@ed crossover of all the cluster#&%ed crossovers about them...well, at least I was mildly amused by X-Terminators.
Mainly, all the stuff that happened just prior to the actual Inferno event was amazing, like when Madelyne Pryor made her appearance. It's what makes Cyclops such a great character. They put him through hell (haw haw) in those books. Dude had some real messed up problems and it really built up his character. Much better character than "I'm shirt and hairy and angry about it!"
Nah what it meant was a million to one chance that getting bit by a radioactive spider would give you super powers instead of killing you slowly and horribly.
Spider Man and Star Wars are doing amazing in retail also.
DC retail wise its still pretty much the Bat Books that sell...oddly with Harley Quinn doing the best :V
HA the Jokers girlfriend has done something the Joker has never done...gotten the better of Batman.
Still has me wondering where these amazing digital sales are, as I look for them, and don't see them listed.
Ms Marvel TPB is on New York Times Best Seller List. Okay, is that because nothing else is selling well? Is it because comic books aren't listed on it? Nothing was selling well that week? I'm curious on this.
This. Marvel just counts retail. And they have just done insane amounts with Secret Wars...buts thats normal as big events no matter how badly written by any of the big two always sell madly.
Also look at those figures you think thats good huh. Compare comic book sales to video game sales and you see that fantastic comic sales isnt that great
I mean 500k if that was a game it would be seen as a failure ... heck Deadpool the game did well over a million copies sold just in physical. That is a bloody good game though.
Video Games really are going to become the standard way of getting Batman and Spiderman to the masses ...heck it already is.
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Capes don't unlock until level 20. Gordon's got some street-sweeping to do.
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
My gripes, however, lies... elsewhere.
And I don't even know where to start about this.
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...It seems that Supes' new "solar flare" power, in addition to depowering him for 24 hours, also leads to his powers becoming weaker over time. He goes to the Fortress to find out what's going on - and is refused entrance, because his DNA no longer matches Kryptonian standard. The Fortress also operates under the assumption that since his DNA isn't Kryptonian, he must therefore have stolen the costume, and confiscates it. He has to make his way back to Metropolis, use his "Clark Kent" money to buy clothing (including a Superman tee, because, as noted in the pages Biff showed in another thread, "the cat's already out of the bag" on his "Secret Identity" thing), and gets a motorcycle to get around because he can't fly any more - basically, his power level is back down to when he was first introduced in 1939.
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While I don't always like where the comic stories go. My thought on this was always...if you want that, then read manga. Western comics is about the character. Punisher is a vet of whatever war/skirmish/government agency that makes sense at the time...hence rebooted.
Frank Castle is Punisher. If you want to see someone take over the mantle of Punisher, you read Punisher 2099, or some other what if/future storyline comic.
The whole "is refused to gain entrance to the Fortress" makes me miss the key he used in Grant Morrison's "All-Star Superman" as it was hidden under the "Welcome" sign by the door. :biggrin:
But yeah, I just looked at a preview about the comic and I'm not very thrilled about the direction Greg Pak goes with him. And I'm not bashing him or anything as I'm sure he's an excellent writer, it just feels as if Superman these days is more of an after thought rather than a front, like DC just goes "... Oh right! We forgot about Superman!"
Case and point: Superman is not supposed to be gritty/dark nor should it never be.
Now if you excuse me, I will go and read Mark Waid's "Superman: Birthright" again.
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Superman being the most powerful super on Earth is fine, he doesn't have to be the most unbeatable. I wouldn't make him beatable by a normal man (ie Batman) without kryptonite/iron man suit, but seeing some other super powers actually be a more serious threat to him is a good thing.
He really did need a better weakness than some glowing rocks.
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The problem is, these characters were only suppose to be ideas that had form, not a single person or entity. Even Bruce states that in Batman Begins, while coming up with the concept of his vigilante persona. And there in lies the problem. Superman I can handle being timeless since he's an alien that ages slower than us mere mortals. But Batman, Punisher and so forth, the mantle can be passed to other people. The ghost can be let go. No, these personas are not just Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle. That's the stupidity of the fanbase talking because the Punisher or Batman can be anyone that has the right mindset and gumption to do so.
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But the thing is Bruce is has retired and given the mantle of Batman to someone much older.
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I don't think they've ever made up their mind on how old Jim Gordon is. Hell, in Batman Begins, Jim Gordon was a beat cop that put a jacket on young what 12 year old Bruce, and of course Bruce comes back in his 30s and Jim Gordon some how avoided time completely because he hadn't changed much.
Either way, I am talking the mantle can be passed to new people. It wouldn't hurt that once a generation someone new takes up these causes. It stops making the characters look ridiculous, like the Punisher does who was a veteran of Vietnam, then the Gulf, now Iraq. It's getting silly with these reboots. Hell, Terri MacGuiness is a good example of a character that can take up the mantle have similar backstories but not be 100% the same person but still interesting (at least until they ****ed that up in the one Justice League episode where they made Bruce Terri's father).
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In the current set up Bruce is around 30, where Jim Gordon is 46. When Gordon first met Bruce , Gordon must have just been a really old looking 20 something :P
Still Batman's interactions with Batgirl is going to be interesting, because he knows that she knows that HE KNOWS. Wonder if he will ever give her hell for wearing tight clothing and jumping off buildings
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That's a bit of narrow thinking. Most superheroes have superpowers that can't just be given to the next guy.
"Sure, you can be the next Angel. But it won't make a lot of sense since you don't have wings."
"Sure, you can be the next Thing, but you're not a rock monster. What makes you a "thing?"
"Sure, you can be the next Wolverine, but you're not a terrible, horrible Mary Sue."
Funnily enough many super heroes do have super powers that can be transfered. Green Lantern for example. Batman, Punisher, and many of the others like them though, do not have super powers, and their mantle can be transfered. There are actually startling few exceptions in super hero comics where the mantle, if not the powers themselves, cannot be transfered. The big ones I can even think of that can't be outright transfered without being convoluted are Superman, Hulk, Spider-man, the Flash and that's really just about it of the big names. And even they have had their powers transfered in some fashion or another.
Most of the super heroes powers are transferable and in fact were the highlights of major arcs on several occasions for some. The Green Lantern is a prime example of this since at last headcount Earth now has what 4 or 5 Green Lanterns for some odd reason? The power of the sorcerer supreme can also be transfered, Doctor Strange is not limited, but since the powers of the Sorcerer Supreme allow him to live a lot longer that one is a bit of a pass, for now. Hell, even Hulks powers have been transfered to multiple people now, with Red Hulk basically surpassing Bruce, and his cousin Jen pretty much being his equal or even superior now. Thor's hammer can be transfered to another person, as has been made aware many times over, and Steve Roger's doesn't have to remain Captain America.
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Catwoman has a Green lantern ring but they wont let her charge her ring because..well shes a super villain reasons .
Yup she just kicked the snot out of Green Lantern, Batman , Superman and The Flash.
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You're trying to skew the facts in your favor. A few exceptions where powers can't be transferred versus the huge overwhelming amount that can?
Let's start with the X-Men. Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Iceman, Professor X, Nightcrawler, Havok, Psylocke, Rogue. What about the New Mutants? Rahne, Karma, Cannonball, Sunspot, Boom Boom, Cypher (I suppose he could pass down his mantle by teaching a language class, har har), Rictor...
Okay maybe the X-Men are not the best example for you. Spider-Man, Thing, Human Torch, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Daredevil, Luke Cage...
While there are a great many who can pass on their powers, I don't think it's anywhere near the ratio you're suggesting.
Cyclops is not the only one of his kind and outside of that, being a douche and having leadership skills are not exclusive to him.
Beast, again, is not alone in being a super strong character with super genius either. His only unique trait is he is a blue fuzzball, which makes him identifiable and different from other characters.
Jean Grey, umm, not only is her powers transferable, but was the subject of one of the latest story arcs. So yea.
Psylocke is a telekinetic and psychic with assassin training, you're stretching with this one.
Rahne's mutant power is she is a werewolf. Umm, exactly how rare is that now in the media these days? The only difference in her is she was raised by an abusive holier than thou father. Any additional powers she gained were from transfers from other people, or sleeping with gods.
I mean seriously, your list is getting silly because a lot of your mutants have been simulated or displayed by other characters. It's not even a stretch at this point.
And it's clear Biff, you didn't bother reason my post, especially since Spider-man's powers were transfered just recently and I even listed Spider-man as one of the few who I would not consider transferable without something convoluted.
Thing already been done multiple times, including now there is a Lady Thing.
Human Torch, how many people can put themselves on fire and shoot fireballs in Marvel?
There are a great many who can pass on their powers, but you want exact clones not a new person to fill in the role. But again you didn't read my post to begin with even though right in the quote you quoted you missed key points I made. You act as if these powers are solely exclusive to one person now, and that someone new can't be found, or hell someone with new powers being chosen. It's not a foreign concept anymore, it's just the ridiculousness that not only have the powers been transferred to new people before, but it's happened multiple times.
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Batman in the story may have been that way, it doesn't mean the readers or even writers see it that way.
Spider-Man is Peter Parker.
There are very few who have been written that feel right about taking over the mantle of whoever. Miles for instance doesn't feel right to taking over for Peter, and likely because he just showed up.
**** Grayson as Batman makes some sense, but even then, when he does it people wonder why he didn't just keep his original identity, Nightwing. Nightwing was his own.
So you're saying each one of these heroes, at the end of their careers, will find it easy to pass their name on to someone else. Just because someone has similar powers or looks doesn't mean they'd be a good candidate for being the next in line.
If, let's say every 20 or 30 years, the writers would change the person behind the mask, how stupid and yes, convoluted, would this be? You're saying it's bad to keep the same person for 90 years? Look at your alternative. Hundreds of superheroes who just happened to have stumbled across mini-me versions of themselves who don't want their own identity; they'd rather just take someone else's name because the big two have to sell books.
Not only is a direct power transfer stupid on such a large scale, but coming up with a new guy that just happens to have the same powers...
If you look at that whole situation and think that's a better alternative, then I don't know what else to say to you.
I, personally, prefer a comics world that doesn't give a poo about real-world time. It's comic books, people can fly move mountains. A little time-bending is where you draw the line on suspension of disbelief? I'd honestly rather have reboots instead of "Hi, I'm Spider-Man IV, I also got bit by a radioactive spider and got superpowers on a million-to-one chance, too. Nice to meet you, seventh guy who was born with claws and has a metal-covered skeleton also and you can't die because your writers are stupid!" as long as they're done right.
This isn't to say I haven't liked some name pass downs, but most have been awful, when they're done as current timeline passing of the mantles.
2099 version for instance, isn't bad (well depending on the writing of course), since it figures a lot of time has gone by and it's much more into the future.
**** Grayson as Batman didn't seem bad to me, but I did wonder why he couldn't just stay Nightwing, a well established and just as good hero identity. Maybe it was time to just let the Bat mantle die, unless it went to whoever was the current Robin (who isn't Damien
While not male, I liked Spider-Girl taking over the roll of Spider-Man in the future.
Terry as Batman worked well too (goes with the future timeline).
Rachel Summers as the new Phoenix (though I never had a problem with Jean coming back to life, makes sense when one is a Phoenix).
Some of it could just be bad writing versus good writing of course, but generally, out of no where replacements are suckie.
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I know it seems I'm kinda moving the goalposts here but it wasn't intended. When I first thought of "who would be Rahne II?" I thought, yeah there's many wolf-people out there (hell, most mutants are monsters now, it appears), who would be just itching to take up the Wolfsbane mantle?
Unless the New Mutants were made to replace the X-Men, it doesn't really make sense for someone else who just happens to have the same or similar powers, to want to be the next one.
And we've also got to think of the bad guys as well.
Although, I still think it's a dumb idea having hundreds of heroes passing down their legacies, I do think it would provide some new opportunities. First off, it would make gender-bending (like Spider-Girl) and race-bending a bit easier, you could be all-inclusive with all the characters ("I'm a Mexican-bi-trans-paraplegic, who's representing meeeee????"). Would also make for easier side-switching ("I'm Magenta, Magneto's daughter, and he hates that I'm a good guy!")
Guess it has its upshots, but still a silly thought to me.
Transfering powers/the legacy to others so the figure can live on and become immortalized reminds me of the Batman: Brave and the Bold episode "The Knights of Tomorrow." If you haven't seen it, I do recommend it.
Agreed on this! Although I do like story arcs in which a significant period of time has passed. When it's done right, that is.
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^Yup.
I'm also following Diamond charts quite frequently since it's the only semi-reliable way of knowing how publishers are doing with their books. Everything else might be just a media hype.
Marvel pretty much proved that keeping up with the internet might be a good idea for a publisher. Now, they coud limit writing for trades, as any other publisher these days, but it's an unrelated issue.
I'm happy to see superhero comic books slowly crawling from this abyss they were rolling into since nineties, be it with Marvel or anyone else. Seems like Marvel found the way that works for them*.
This first Batman pic is Jim Lee? Looks like his style. Might be a good artist choice since it's a hero who actually makes sense having armor plates sewn in everywhere on his costume. :biggrin:
* - But of course what helps Marvel is also to have a persistence as a publisher. Some of their ongoings probably would be cancelled long time ago if they were DC books just because they don't do good enough.
Comon forum swear filter why you hate on The **** Greyson he was the bestest Robin U_U
Also with you guys talking of Marvel I hope this new secret wars thingy doesnt mess up Peter Parker Millionaire weapons inventor thing.
Doctor Octopus sorta failed at being a bad guy huh its just like HEY PARKER! Have this company I built from scratch K bye im off to die now :O
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Okay, let's say there's some just...just really terrible person who actually wants it... they could just make some sort of visor that shoots force lasers out of it. It's comic books after all, they can do anything! Move mountains, make force visors, rub two people together so that the adamantium skeleton and healing factor from one person oozes into the other, super powerful headbutt to transfer psychic powers, teleport INTO the other person to give them your teleporting powers, etc...
Honestly the only reason I think anyone would pass on Batman's mantle is because the day it's announced that Batman is no longer in action, the city would be literally swarming with crime. Like just imagine every criminal being broken out of jail, people who have been behaving just suddenly becoming criminals, all just getting super excited and just going at crime with the enthusiasm of a demented five year old... eventually it starts to be a contest between who can do the most terrible crime, etc etc....
By the time Super Man showed up to take care of the situation, the city would probably have been blown up with any survivors being traumatized beyond help for the rest of their lives.
If Cyclops died, nobody would care.
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I...I don't even know how to respond to that (other than to suggest a good mental health professional
Anything involving Maddy Pryor or Mr. Sinister makes me hold my nose, and then to make the cluster&^$@ed crossover of all the cluster#&%ed crossovers about them...well, at least I was mildly amused by X-Terminators.
What I was surprised to see was Ghost Rider doing better in digital than Thor by what the site was saying. With no Ms Marvel titles in the first five pages.
Spider titles that aren't Miles related are doing well.
Star Wars is up there with lots of titles too.
Spider Man and Star Wars are doing amazing in retail also.
DC retail wise its still pretty much the Bat Books that sell...oddly with Harley Quinn doing the best :V
HA the Jokers girlfriend has done something the Joker has never done...gotten the better of Batman.
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<Insert typical, loud, all-caps rant here about the injustice of those rankings, calling them obviously fake and that DC should listen to their fans and make more Batman comics>
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Mainly, all the stuff that happened just prior to the actual Inferno event was amazing, like when Madelyne Pryor made her appearance. It's what makes Cyclops such a great character. They put him through hell (haw haw) in those books. Dude had some real messed up problems and it really built up his character. Much better character than "I'm shirt and hairy and angry about it!"
Careful with numbers. By your own example, there should be about 300 Spider-persons in the US alone.
Still has me wondering where these amazing digital sales are, as I look for them, and don't see them listed.
Ms Marvel TPB is on New York Times Best Seller List. Okay, is that because nothing else is selling well? Is it because comic books aren't listed on it? Nothing was selling well that week? I'm curious on this.
This. Marvel just counts retail. And they have just done insane amounts with Secret Wars...buts thats normal as big events no matter how badly written by any of the big two always sell madly.
http://www.newsarama.com/23934-marvel-talks-secret-wars-sales-announces-infinity-stones-giveaways.html
Also look at those figures you think thats good huh. Compare comic book sales to video game sales and you see that fantastic comic sales isnt that great
I mean 500k if that was a game it would be seen as a failure ... heck Deadpool the game did well over a million copies sold just in physical. That is a bloody good game though.
Video Games really are going to become the standard way of getting Batman and Spiderman to the masses ...heck it already is.
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