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The Kickstarter bubble has popped

championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
edited June 2015 in Off Topic
Seems the FTC is now getting involved and coming down on failed Kickstarter projects.

Link here
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    Seems the FTC is now getting involved and coming down on failed Kickstarter projects.

    Link here

    Why did you make me click on a link that took me to Kotaku :V

    Not to worry I have escape plan.

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    Nah jkn aside its about bloody time ..for every good one theres 3 scams.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    Seems the FTC is now getting involved and coming down on failed Kickstarter projects.

    Link here

    Considering that the guy used the money on personal expenses, it's quite a bit more clearcut in fraud territory than a simple failure to create the product. I don't think you can really say any bubble has actually popped.
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Considering that the guy used the money on personal expenses, it's quite a bit more clearcut in fraud territory than a simple failure to create the product. I don't think you can really say any bubble has actually popped.

    It's only a start, and I doubt many of the Kickstarters out there are any more benevolent. I think more and more fraud cases are going to start showing up, since before Kickstarter was a bastion for this stuff. Now that the FTC is involved, there's probably going to be a lot more scrutinizing going on.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I wouldn't call this a pop either. Kickstarter will very likely continue to be a valid form of funding all sorts of projects for quite some time.
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    biffsmackwell wrote: »
    I wouldn't call this a pop either. Kickstarter will very likely continue to be a valid form of funding all sorts of projects for quite some time.

    Oh, I dunno about that. Many projects are overdue and I suspect this is only the first in many big reports about this.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    It's only a start, and I doubt many of the Kickstarters out there are any more benevolent. I think more and more fraud cases are going to start showing up, since before Kickstarter was a bastion for this stuff. Now that the FTC is involved, there's probably going to be a lot more scrutinizing going on.

    That doesn't make it a pop, that just makes it regulated.
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    That doesn't make it a pop, that just makes it regulated.

    I don't call that regulated with so many overdue Kickstarter projects out there. Considering it took 4 years for this to become regulated is another issue entirely.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    We already have a lot of successful Kickstarter projects that to prove that it's not just something that is just easily abused for fraud, so no, the bubble hasn't popped. Far from it.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jennymachx wrote: »
    We already have a lot of successful Kickstarter projects that to prove that it's not just something that is just easily abused for fraud, so no, the bubble hasn't popped. Far from it.

    Its popped for the scammers though . That makes me happy .
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jennymachx wrote: »
    We already have a lot of successful Kickstarter projects that to prove that it's not just something that is just easily abused for fraud, so no, the bubble hasn't popped. Far from it.

    Pretty much this. While there are overdue projects, there are loads of them that came out on time and became very successful.
  • itsbrou#5396 itsbrou
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    edited June 2015
    Remember they guy who had a meltdown and destroyed all of his books in a fire?
    Brou in Cryptic games.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    someguywhoplaysgames wrote: »
    Remember they guy who had a meltdown and destroyed all of his books in a fire?

    I think he was called Adolf Hitler.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    Oh, I dunno about that. Many projects are overdue and I suspect this is only the first in many big reports about this.

    How many is "many"? I've backed dozens of projects and haven't been burned on it once. Maybe your "many" is quite minuscule compared to the many successes.
    someguywhoplaysgames wrote: »
    Remember they guy who had a meltdown and destroyed all of his books in a fire?

    No but I'd love to hear more. :biggrin:
  • itsbrou#5396 itsbrou
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    edited June 2015
    biffsmackwell wrote: »
    How many is "many"? I've backed dozens of projects and haven't been burned on it once. Maybe your "many" is quite minuscule compared to the many successes.



    No but I'd love to hear more. :biggrin:
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/73258510/sad-pictures-for-children
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    someguywhoplaysgames wrote: »
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/73258510/sad-pictures-for-children

    O__O wait what did I just see.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Also with regards to the culprit's project mentioned in the article...he was asking for $35,000 for what I would best describe as "Cthulhu Monopoly"?

    Seems to be a staggering amount of money to make just a board game. Looking at the Kickstarter page it doesn't look like there's a huge team involved either (just 3), unless the artist crafting those miniatures was asking for a really hefty sum for his work, seeing how he worked on John Carpenter's The Thing and all. Then again they're just miniatures.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Well all the silliness aside it is good someone has decided to look into some of the more iffy kickstarters.

    Heres another scam for them to look at.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    Well all the silliness aside it is good someone has decided to look into some of the more iffy kickstarters.

    Heres another scam for them to look at.

    That's rather libelous, isn't it? While I'm skeptical that it'll ever become successful and consider them to be dreamers chasing a unicorn, I wouldn't accuse them of outright fraud.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    That's rather libelous, isn't it? While I'm skeptical that it'll ever become successful and consider them to be dreamers chasing a unicorn, I wouldn't accuse them of outright fraud.

    OI ill libelousus YEW! I gave them like £20 or summing like that and I aint seen diddly squat, all ive seen is posts about how they having parties and **** :O
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they're really trying hard to push out a playable beta to at least prove that it isn't vaporware. But then again it has always come off as something far too ambitious to really handle considering that it's a MMO that they're trying to make and MMOs are supposed to be the hardest type of games to program. They're not exactly getting the kind of financing other developers are getting from publishers either.

    Their beta release date seems to have been postponed to mid-to-late 2016. Guess we'll wait and see.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    OI ill libelousus YEW! I gave them like £20 or summing like that and I aint seen diddly squat, all ive seen is posts about how they having parties and **** :O

    I dunno, I've seen the occasional post from them on a CoH Facebook community I follow, and they seem to be making some kind of headway (it's not much though and I'm skeptical that they'll ever achieve a finished product). You're going to have to provide evidence of your claims.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jennymachx wrote: »
    I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they're really trying hard to push out a playable beta to at least prove that it isn't vaporware. But then again it has always come off as something far too ambitious to really handle considering that it's a MMO that they're trying to make and MMOs are supposed to be the hardest type of games to program. They're not exactly getting the kind of financing other developers are getting from publishers either.

    Their beta release date seems to have been postponed to mid-to-late 2016. Guess we'll wait and see.

    I guess I can be patient , they seem to want to screw things up as slow as they can.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    I dunno, I've seen the occasional post from them on a CoH Facebook community I follow, and they seem to be making some kind of headway (it's not much though and I'm skeptical that they'll ever achieve a finished product). You're going to have to provide evidence of your claims.

    OMG shut up about CoH please for the love of *&^%.

    Also they been having the art parties
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/missingworldsmedia/the-phoenix-project-city-of-titans/posts/1100599

    ART PARTIES....they should be working, I aint 100% sure what a art party is but they shouldnt be having them >_>"

    Also your not the Queen of England so take your head out your super powered butt.

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    Who in the hell takes offence to joke posts...I freaking gave to their kickstarter I wouldnt have I didnt think they where legit XD
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jennymachx wrote: »
    We already have a lot of successful Kickstarter projects that to prove that it's not just something that is just easily abused for fraud, so no, the bubble hasn't popped. Far from it.

    Quite the opposite actually. We have a handful of successful Kickstarters with many that are left unproven, many more that are past their due date and still many that have already been proven to be frauds.
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    I dunno, I've seen the occasional post from them on a CoH Facebook community I follow, and they seem to be making some kind of headway (it's not much though and I'm skeptical that they'll ever achieve a finished product). You're going to have to provide evidence of your claims.

    They are making no headway. All they do is talk. They talked about how they were one person away from getting COH restarted but not to ask NCSoft about this. That is what we call, in normal parlance, smoke and mirrors. The best they've shown of their work is two demos of un-textured models that were put together in 3DSMax renderer, something I did back in 2006 when I was taking 3d classes.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    They are making no headway. All they do is talk. They talked about how they were one person away from getting COH restarted but not to ask NCSoft about this. That is what we call, in normal parlance, smoke and mirrors. The best they've shown of their work is two demos of un-textured models that were put together in 3DSMax renderer, something I did back in 2006 when I was taking 3d classes.

    Theres no point Spar seriously. She took offense at jokes posts...seriously waste of time trying to argue the point.

    Theres CoH Vets like us then theres the CoH "online community" no one mentioned City of Heroes yet she had to bring it up. Again. For the 100th time.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    OMG shut up about CoH please for the love of *&^%.

    Okay, so how was I suppose to word my post to inform you that I see an occasional update from the Missing World guys? "There's this Facebook community centered around a certain game that's no longer around that I follow where they post an occasional update?"
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Okay, so how was I suppose to word my post to inform you that I see an occasional update from the Missing World guys? "There's this Facebook community centered around a certain game that's no longer around that I follow where they post an occasional update?"

    No one mentioned CoH. You brought it up. I blinking gave to the kickstarter I dont give my cash away to con-men. A joke post is a joke post.

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    Someone please explain the off topic forum to them >:D
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    Quite the opposite actually. We have a handful of successful Kickstarters with many that are left unproven, many more that are past their due date and still many that have already been proven to be frauds.

    We have no reliable data to show just how overwhelming the problem of fraudulent kickstarters is to confidently claim that the bubble has popped.

    What we do have is news of successful kickstarters showing up now and then consistently ever since the whole crowdfunding thing started to indicate that the crowdfunding concept is working. It continues to be a legitimate and attractively alternative means for indie game developers to have full creative control of their project without being tied down by publisher demands. What's more there are also successful projects getting smaller or no media attention at all.

    The relevant authorities starting to clamp down on fraud isn't an indication that the bubble has popped, it only indicates that they're starting to act against them since fraud is a crime and all.
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jennymachx wrote: »
    We have no reliable data to show just how overwhelming the problem of fraudulent kickstarters is to confidently claim that the bubble has popped.

    What we do have is news of successful kickstarters showing up now and then consistently ever since the whole crowdfunding thing started to indicate that the crowdfunding concept is working. It continues to be a legitimate and attractively alternative means for indie game developers to have full creative control of their project without being tied down by publisher demands.

    The relevant authorities starting to clamp down on fraud isn't an indication that the bubble has popped, it only indicates that they're starting to act against them since fraud is a crime and all.

    We have news of a few kickstarters being successful but and a significant portion not delivering on promises rendered. We have more reports of kickstarters failing to meet their delivery date, and even more than are now coming to light as fraudulent. This does not mean things are fine.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    We have news of a few kickstarters being successful but and a significant portion not delivering on promises rendered. We have more reports of kickstarters failing to meet their delivery date, and even more than are now coming to light as fraudulent. This does not mean things are fine.

    It isn't evidence to show that things are as bad as you're claiming.

    The media doesn't cover all the successful kickstarters from the beginning to now. All you're doing is just cherry-picking from a few projects given the spotlight to argue that it's really just a few of them that are successful.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    No one mentioned CoH. You brought it up.

    So what you're saying is that I should have placed a Facebook community where I see occasional updates from the so-called "con-men" that we are discussing in the same league as Hastur and Voldemort? Okay. Doesn't really make sense, but I'm no stranger to eccentricity.
  • sistersiliconsistersilicon Posts: 1,687 Arc User
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    I'm getting a lot of distance out of this GIF tonight. I think it's my new favorite.

    For the record, Nate Downes is assisting with the CoH rights as a side project, separate from his work with MWM. And if that's moving slowly, it's because A) Intellectual Property lawyers are involved, and B) NCSoft is too busy trying to keep Nexon from devouring them whole to bother with some small potatoes (to them) IP deal.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Doesn't really make sense, but I'm no stranger to eccentricity.

    OK then cause I started posting in this thread with this.
    nepht wrote: »
    Why did you make me click on a link that took me to Kotaku :V

    Not to worry I have escape plan.

    a.baa-No-time-to-explain-just-get-.PNG

    Then followed up with this.
    someguywhoplaysgames wrote: »
    Remember they guy who had a meltdown and destroyed all of his books in a fire?

    nepht wrote: »
    I think he was called Adolf Hitler.

    This might have just been some hints I wasnt 100% serious in this thread, obscure hints but hints none the less :P

    Dont get me wrong though I think your alright IN GAME...seen you help noobs and stuff, but on forums I think we wind each other up way too much , your too serious and im too much of a goofball :D

    *edit* also shut up about CoH >:D
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Maybe you just suck at telling jokes.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Maybe you just suck at telling jokes.

    I love you Squidward.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    In point of fact, Nepht, the post in question didn't come across as an attempt at humor, but rather sounded like a sincere belief that you'd been scammed out of twenty pounds. (Sorry, I don't have the symbol on my keyboard and can never remember the code for it.)

    Yes, there have been quite a few successful Kickstarters. And to the best of my knowledge, the folks responsible for them are just as happy as anyone else that the FTC's coming down on the bad ones. (In the words of Ryan "Least I Could Do" Sohmer, "Who would have thought we'd be glad to have more federal oversight?")
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    In point of fact, Nepht, the post in question didn't come across as an attempt at humor, but rather sounded like a sincere belief that you'd been scammed out of twenty pounds. (Sorry, I don't have the symbol on my keyboard and can never remember the code for it.)

    Yes, there have been quite a few successful Kickstarters. And to the best of my knowledge, the folks responsible for them are just as happy as anyone else that the FTC's coming down on the bad ones. (In the words of Ryan "Least I Could Do" Sohmer, "Who would have thought we'd be glad to have more federal oversight?")

    £20 my god call the cops /o/

    Ima call the FBI right now. **** man I drink that amount in like 5 mins :D
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Hey, that's a little more than $31 USD! Call the cops! :biggrin:

    Seriously, though, I do know quite a few people who'd freak out over that.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,078 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    £20 my god call the cops /o/

    Ima call the FBI right now. **** man I drink that amount in like 5 mins :D

    :rolleyes: How nice of you to mock the poor like that. $31 is still a lot of money to some of us.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    :rolleyes: How nice of you to mock the poor like that. $31 is still a lot of money to some of us.

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    When will you people learn I aint one of the good guys /o/

    also
    jonsills wrote: »
    Hey, that's a little more than $31 USD! Call the cops! :biggrin:

    Seriously, though, I do know quite a few people who'd freak out over that.

    Jon I dont want to freak you out....but I think your physic.
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited June 2015
    The only thing that will change is kickstarters being scrutinized, thus harder to scam. As it should be.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    championshewolf wrote: »
    Quite the opposite actually. We have a handful of successful Kickstarters with many that are left unproven, many more that are past their due date and still many that have already been proven to be frauds.

    A HANDFUL of successful Kickstarters? I do believe you're just trolling now.

    You're going out of your way to make it seem like there's a lot more unsuccessful/late Kickstarters than there are successful ones.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Awesome things ive chipped into on Kickstarter without getting scammed .

    Ouya ( though the gamepad is arse ._. )

    Wasteland 2.

    Divekick.

    Mighty No 9.

    There is great things to be found on Kickstarter for sure. But there are many bad things also.
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  • vonqballvonqball Posts: 938 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Yeah, I suspect the vast majority of kickstarter projects turn out just fine. If you have major issues with projects not being delivered precisely on time, then maybe kickstarter just isn't for you. I like to support people who have a cool idea, but may not have a ton of experience. It seems a bit unreasonable to expect inexperienced folks to know the exact time your package will slide into yer mailbox.

    I have pledged to a metric $#!%ton of projects and none has yet failed to arrive... although a bit of temporal breathing room was sometimes required.
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nepht wrote: »
    Awesome things ive chipped into on Kickstarter without getting scammed .

    Ouya ( though the gamepad is arse ._. )

    Wasteland 2.

    Divekick.

    Mighty No 9.

    There is great things to be found on Kickstarter for sure. But there are many bad things also.

    I myself have backed 27 projects for a total of $3403, and have gotten every penny's worth. A few projects were late, but they all delivered and I've never regretted any of them.

    This is a small fraction of the successful Kickstarters, and alone they're more than a handful.
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vonqball wrote: »
    If you have major issues with projects not being delivered precisely on time, then maybe kickstarter just isn't for you. I like to support people who have a cool idea, but may not have a ton of experience. It seems a bit unreasonable to expect inexperienced folks to know the exact time your package will slide into yer mailbox.

    And on that matter, I'll take a delayed game from an independent creator over a big-name game with hard deadlines that have to go out by a certain date. Deadlines don't often help make great games.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    biffsmackwell wrote: »
    I myself have backed 27 projects for a total of $3403, and have gotten every penny's worth. A few projects were late, but they all delivered and I've never regretted any of them.

    This is a small fraction of the successful Kickstarters, and alone they're more than a handful.

    I do love my Ouya though, ripped out that crappy interface it had ( no interest in android games ) with the BS of having to give it ur credit card details to set it up ( that did not seem legit ¬_¬" ) and stuffed Linux Mint in there instead. Got it running stuff like Brutal Doom and Open Arena, heck even got it running Morrowind ( had to up its storage though :P ) .

    That things a bit of a little beast got a few fairly recent mid 2000s PC games working on it.
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  • joybuzzerxjoybuzzerx Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    Hey, that's a little more than $31 USD! Call the cops! :biggrin:

    Seriously, though, I do know quite a few people who'd freak out over that.

    Aren't those the ones who say $15 a month is to much for them to afford for a game, when they're buying expensive coffee and drinking liquor and eating out all the time? :p
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    joybuzzerx wrote: »
    Aren't those the ones who say $15 a month is to much for them to afford for a game, when they're buying expensive coffee and drinking liquor and eating out all the time? :p
    No, it's more like the ones who say $15 a month is too expensive, because that cuts seriously into the ramen budget. One of my nieces owns a hairand nail salon, and that leaves things tight enough for her that if $31 came up missing, she'd be scouring the city and interrogating everyone she knows, because that can buy several bottles of conditioner...

    On the other hand, they also aren't the sort of folks who tend to back Kickstarters, because again, ramen budget.
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