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TK Blade tank Suggestion???

magnathyr1magnathyr1 Posts: 20 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Builds and Roles
I am looking at this build for tanking... would appreciate any suggestions from you pros :wink:

Thanks


PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: TK Tank

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Acrobat
Level 9: Ascetic
Level 12: Shooter
Level 15: Showmanship
Level 18: Shrug It Off
Level 21: Finesse

Powers:
Level 1: Kinetic Darts
Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
Level 6: Ego Reverberation
Level 8: Telekinetic Eruption (Enhanced Form, Challenging Strikes)
Level 11: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3, Id Blades)
Level 14: Void Shift (Emerging Nightmares, Crippling Challenge)
Level 17: Defiance
Level 20: Bountiful Chi Resurgence (Resurgent Reiki)
Level 23: Masterful Dodge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Ebon Void (Rank 2, Rank 3, Voracious Darkness)
Level 35: Ego Blade Breach
Level 38: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Flight
Level 35: Teleportation

Specializations:
Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Dexterity: Evasion (2/2)
Dexterity: Quick Reflexes (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Retribution (2/2)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)


Looking at plenty of mitigation, self heal, crit, huge energy gen, and threat... at least that I can see.

Let me know if I have enough Threat gen here or whatever I'm missing please. :smile:
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,847 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Looks pretty good. Having 2 regular heals w/ Siphoning Strikes avail strikes me as really excessive, though. I'd take out at least BCR (dmg penalty is counter-productive when siphoning already disables crits w/ the combo- ya dun wanna nerf ur damage too much).

    And unranked EBB isn't really adding anything to the build atm. Ya could replace it w/ Mental Storm + CS adv for a good dps/threat increase, w/ a great debuff to boot.

    Can save points by unranking Masterful Dodge. MD is pretty pointless to rank since R1 already pushes ya past 100% dodge; higher ranks only add a paltry amount of avoidance that doesn't really matter.

    Also, since TK Eruption is ur only real spam-able AoE, I'd take it to R2 at least. Would also prob take Ego Surge to R2 so it lasts longer (and that feeds in to siphoning strikes procs, so it also helps w/ survival).

    Ur gonna be knock-prone using this build w/ the SS setup as is, so I'd prob go for a Str PSS or Con PSS + Dex SS setup (STR/Dex/Con w/ gearing Ego to 70 for Ego Reverb, or CON/Dex/Ego_Int).

    Lastly, pairing Guardian w/ Warden is a bit wasteful (on builds that rely on crits, at least- which is most of them) since offense and defense have a DR on their effects. Pairing Warden w/ Vindicator would prob be better here and net you better crit-based dmg.
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,847 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bah, and I just missed one obvious thing while fretting over the details- I assumed EB Annihilation was in the build already.

    Yeah EBA is the big 'finisher' for TK Blades (its version of a 'rupture' ala single blade). Taking out one of the reg heals, I'd replace it w/ that and find a way to rank it up some.
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  • magnathyr1magnathyr1 Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name: TK Tank

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
    Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
    Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Void
    Level 6: Acrobat
    Level 9: Ascetic
    Level 12: Shooter
    Level 15: Showmanship
    Level 18: Shrug It Off
    Level 21: Finesse

    Powers:
    Level 1: Kinetic Darts
    Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
    Level 6: Ego Reverberation
    Level 8: Hurricane (Perfect Storm, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 11: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3, Id Blades)
    Level 14: Void Shift (Emerging Nightmares, Crippling Challenge)
    Level 17: Defiance
    Level 20: Masterful Dodge
    Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Ego Storm (Rank 2, Malevolent Manifestation)
    Level 29: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
    Level 35: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
    Level 38: Typhoon (Rank 2)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Teleportation

    Specializations:
    Constitution: Unyielding (2/2)
    Constitution: Fuel My Fire (1/3)
    Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
    Constitution: Deflection (3/3)
    Constitution: Armored (2/2)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
    Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
    Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Retribution (2/2)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Mastery: Constitution Mastery (1/1)


    Took out TK Erupt(charge) - replaced with Hurricane(Maintain)
    Took out EBB and put in Typhoon - Have heard that's a big hitter for damage
    made some of your other suggested changes and threw in Ego Storm with adv that allows it to attack on its own.
  • carrionbaggagecarrionbaggage Posts: 729 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    Assuming this is a PvE retcon build, I would recommend something like this (ignore the power levels; it's hacked together from the posted build):

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name: TK Tank

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Strength (Primary)
    Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
    Level 15: Ego (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Mountain
    Level 6: Physical Conditioning
    Level 9: Professional Athlete
    Level 12: Ascetic
    Level 15: Bodybuilder
    Level 18: Boundless Reserves
    Level 21: Daredevil

    Powers:
    Level 1: Kinetic Darts
    Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
    Level 6: Ego Reverberation
    Level 8: Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 11: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3, Id Blades)
    Level 14: Void Shift (Crippling Challenge)
    Level 17: Defiance
    Level 20: Masterful Dodge
    Level 23: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
    Level 29: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
    Level 35: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
    Level 38: Dark Transfusion

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Teleportation

    Specializations:
    Strength: Swole (2/3)
    Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
    Strength: Brutality (2/2)
    Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
    Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)


    Build notes:

    -Since Defiance is a key component of your energy management, and is often triggered erratically depending on the enemy's attack frequency, I would recommend talenting a bit of END to hold the extra fuel when you get back-to-back returns from Defiance and Ego Reverberation.

    -Hurricane and Typhoon would neither benefit from Mental Discipline nor trigger Ego Reverberation. You wouldn't be able to use them much before bottoming-out your energy.

    -Flowcyto's suggestions of Mental Storm and Ego Blade Annihilation are very good. They both offer significant increases in damage (and therefore, threat).

    -Your CON/DEX/EGO setup would definitely work (especially if you plan to use Vigilante secondaries), but you could also consider STR/CON/EGO and just gear for +critical strike. The cost discount from Physical Peak softens Mental Discipline's lack of energy return, and the critical severity from Brutality gels nicely with Siphoning Strikes. Plus you get Juggernaut to feed the Best Defense/Aggressive Stance loop. Gear-wise, I would focus on CON and EGO.

    -Added Ego Blade Frenzy as an AoE. Its reach leaves a lot to be desired, but its damage is solid enough to run it as your primary attack when your health bar isn't in need of Siphoning Strikes. Could be replaced with Telekinetic Eruption or Telekinetic Maelstrom if you prefer a ranged (but expensive) option. A Psionic Accelerator device would also provide a wide-range AoE option.

    -This version doesn't have Emerging Nightmares, but it is a nice little debuff. You could knock out a rank from Conviction, Ego Surge, or Mental Storm if you wanted to shoehorn it back in.

    -This build will generate a respectable amount of threat, but there are other setups that can pull agro from it. I added Dark Transfusion to provide backup energy management if Defiance is not being triggered regularly, and its self-debuff doesn't interfere with Siphoning Strikes. Circle of Arcane Power would also work, but I wanted to stick to your Darkness sub-theme. If you don't mind using the occasional energy builder in those situations, you could swap Dark Transfusion for something else (Circle of Primal Dominion, Resurgence, Rebirth, Unbreakable, Lock 'n Load, et cetera).

    I hope that helps!
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,847 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    magnathyr1 wrote:
    How's this look then???

    Hm. The Wind powers can be good, but how do they fit ur concept? Seems kinda random to have em.

    EBA is still a good idea- Typhoon doesn't really mesh w/ the build in the same way and prob won't be as effective overall. Hurricane is a nice, easy AoE, but again it doesn't really mesh w/ the rest of the build.

    I'd prob keep TK Eruption in there if ya still using Ego Reverb and Mental Discipline (instead of the Wind powers). Its a decent enough AoE (good reach, spam-able), but ya want to tap-spam or short-charge it usually so ya dun knock everything away and out of your and the group's range. It doesn't need to mow every mob down- just hold a trash mob's attention long enough while you are focus-targeting. TK Maelstrom can also work, as can EB Frenzy (though one is a cd, and the other has a shorter reach).

    Also, Mental Storm was my recommendation, not Ego Storm :x


    Carrion's build is also a good one. I believe that's the one he tested out vs. some world bosses and was impressed w/ its healing/performance.
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  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Main thing I'd suggest is put Shadow of Doubt in there if you're aiming for Frosty.
  • carrionbaggagecarrionbaggage Posts: 729 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    flowcyto wrote: »
    Carrion's build is also a good one. I believe that's the one he tested out vs. some world bosses and was impressed w/ its healing/performance.

    That one was a goofy Seraphim variant with Spirit Reverberation. I haven't used it in a while, though, since it got hit harder than most builds by the Dodge/Crit revamp. Here's a link to that old thread if the OP is interested. It still contains (mostly) relevant information.
  • magnathyr1magnathyr1 Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Ok... working with both Flowcyto and Carrion's suggestions, this is what I ended up with...


    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name: TK Tank

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
    Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
    Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Void
    Level 6: Shooter
    Level 9: Wordly
    Level 12: Acrobat
    Level 15: Ascetic
    Level 18: Daredevil
    Level 21: Boundless Reserves

    Powers:
    Level 1: Kinetic Darts
    Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
    Level 6: Ego Reverberation
    Level 8: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3, Id Blades)
    Level 11: Defiance
    Level 14: Ego Blade Dash (Crippling Challenge)
    Level 17: Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 20: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
    Level 23: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 26: Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
    Level 29: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
    Level 32: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 38: Masterful Dodge

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Teleportation

    Specializations:
    Constitution: Unyielding (2/2)
    Constitution: Tough (1/3)
    Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
    Constitution: Deflection (3/3)
    Constitution: Adrenaline Rush (2/2)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
    Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
    Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)


    I took CON pss for the knock and hold resistance
    I combined Warden/Vindicator and concentrated on crit chance and severity
    because of Carrion dropping EN adv from void shift, I figured that it wasn't that important for the
    role I am looking at on this build,,,... so I replaced void shift with EBD for the ego damage.
    Gearing was looking at EGO/DEX/CON
    Adv CS on 2 powers and CC on EBD along with the damage of the build and hard hitting EB Annihilation, that should allow me to hold agg pretty well.

    What do you think?
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,847 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    EN adv on void shift (when not using Spirit Reverb) would mostly just be for the Fear- which is okay in itself as a minor damage debuff, but not a high priority to have either.

    Looking nice overall. Some minor things: Upper Hand in Warden likely doesn't work properly- skip it for Ruthless. Ya may also consider trading Mass Destruction (only affecting EB Frenzy atm, Mental Storm doesn't benefit from non-general crit% bonuses) for Offensive Expertise.

    At this point, ya may just want to go out and see how it performs.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • carrionbaggagecarrionbaggage Posts: 729 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    Deflection is an interesting choice. If you do decide to run with it, I would try to include one source of +Avoidance in your primary defense gear, to make that extra bit of dodge meaningful (a little extra Avoidance works well when Masterful Dodge is active, too). But if you decide its bonus is too small, Armored, Fuel My Fire, or Tough (even though Tough is bugged to give half its listed value) all have their individual appeal.

    I keep forgetting that Upper Hand is broken. Sorry if my including it caused any confusion. Old habit.

    I agree with Flowcyto that it looks ready to go. You'll get a better feel for stat distribution and minor adjustments after running it through some content.
  • magnathyr1magnathyr1 Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    flowcyto wrote: »
    Looking nice overall. Some minor things: Upper Hand in Warden likely doesn't work properly- skip it for Ruthless. Ya may also consider trading Mass Destruction (only affecting EB Frenzy atm, Mental Storm doesn't benefit from non-general crit% bonuses) for Offensive Expertise.

    At this point, ya may just want to go out and see how it performs.


    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name: TK Tank

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
    Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
    Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Void
    Level 6: Shooter
    Level 9: Wordly
    Level 12: Acrobat
    Level 15: Ascetic
    Level 18: Daredevil
    Level 21: Boundless Reserves

    Powers:
    Level 1: Kinetic Darts
    Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
    Level 6: Ego Reverberation
    Level 8: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3, Id Blades)
    Level 11: Defiance
    Level 14: Ego Blade Dash (Crippling Challenge)
    Level 17: Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 20: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
    Level 23: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 26: Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
    Level 29: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
    Level 32: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 38: Masterful Dodge

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Teleportation

    Specializations:
    Constitution: Unyielding (2/2)
    Constitution: Tough (1/3)
    Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
    Constitution: Deflection (3/3)
    Constitution: Adrenaline Rush (2/2)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
    Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
    Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)


    Ok... done as suggested and have that for final build :smile:

    will be testing for a while to see how it handles.

    Thanks much to you both Flowcyto and Carrion. :biggrin:
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