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Anyone else kinda disappointed at the Psionic Dragon set?
morigosa
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So, this is a set I was really looking forward to... but now that it's out, I haven't bought it, and I'm not sure I'm going to; it's got a few parts that are nice, but really lacks the versatility that made the holoforce set stand out.
In particular, I was looking forward to having a few more bits of head armor that would work with, for example, the snake head; Cryptic North has been pretty good about releasing costumes that didn't have random silly limitations. (Example of a silly limitation: you can't use belts with the basic subligar.) Except, oh wait, for some reason the psionic dragon accessories aren't available under beast heads. (Among several other categories - and it's not even consistent which categories don't work; for example, you can use the psionic dragon head accessories under the "huge humanoid helmets" category on a female character, but not a male...)
The other issue I have is that many of the pieces (particularly bracer, leg accessory, and chest) have large areas of flat, detail-free surface. Which probably saved a lot on design time, what with not needing any kind of fancy texturing, but worked much better for holoforce pieces that had a more interesting base geometry.
So... yeah. The wings are nice (but would be nicer if we had a non-flapping version). The spider legs are unique, so if you want spider legs, go for it. Other than that... meh?
In particular, I was looking forward to having a few more bits of head armor that would work with, for example, the snake head; Cryptic North has been pretty good about releasing costumes that didn't have random silly limitations. (Example of a silly limitation: you can't use belts with the basic subligar.) Except, oh wait, for some reason the psionic dragon accessories aren't available under beast heads. (Among several other categories - and it's not even consistent which categories don't work; for example, you can use the psionic dragon head accessories under the "huge humanoid helmets" category on a female character, but not a male...)
The other issue I have is that many of the pieces (particularly bracer, leg accessory, and chest) have large areas of flat, detail-free surface. Which probably saved a lot on design time, what with not needing any kind of fancy texturing, but worked much better for holoforce pieces that had a more interesting base geometry.
So... yeah. The wings are nice (but would be nicer if we had a non-flapping version). The spider legs are unique, so if you want spider legs, go for it. Other than that... meh?
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Let this be a lesson to CN: Please continue making theoretically broken costume sets, because they make the funnest part combinations possible.
Really I got no other beef with the set, though. It's got no problems that the Holoforce set doesn't.
But I hardly see any problem with large detail-free plates. This is exactly what was on the submitted concept art and that's because it is supposed to work with details on psi textures.
it's got larger sections than the holoforce armour, so I can have big pieces or small pieces or both
animals heads are all difference sizes and shapes, they would have to fit them to each model to make them usable.
beast legs at least are only 1 basic shape.
have you added on to the PTS thread that you can use them in huge rigid helmet on female but not male?
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Nope. Look at Holoforce, for example. Yeah, a lot of the pieces are out of place - I've yet to come up with any way to use holoforce mouth accessory with a snake head and have it look good, for example - but there are a number of combinations that work (like wolf head + glass holoforce eye accessory for a wolf-with-glasses look), and setting any of them to transparent glowy makes clipping a very nearly non-issue.
And yes, I reported this on the PTS thread.
Looks good by itself and it has great parts which can be used to improve many costumes.
From what I have heard in-game the majority also love it, even in Zone chat :eek:
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Uhm... There have been a lot of non-human comic book characters. So I am not sure what you mean by that.
The Lizard
Rocket
Wal Russ
Groot
Fastback
Krypto
Ace the Bat-Hound
Streaky the Supercat
Terrific Whatzit
Ch'p
Toppo
Jumpa
Hoppy the Marvel Bunny
Cheetah
Zorak
Brak
A whooole lot of characters from TMNT including the main characters on the good side.
I think you get my point. However, I totally agree that a lot of these restrictions regardless of what they effect or why can be very frustrating and make little sense. Like the Gem of Edom which basically only works on skin/tights... Why? It is like a necklace. You can wear other necklaces with other categories.
No, I don't.
Because aside of Krypto and Teename Mutant Ninja Turtles I must think really hard to recall a single name mentioned by you. Or google them really hard. And cartoon-only guys like Zorak hardly qualify.
I could made a list three times long using human characters and that's only using famous names without including D-listers.
They're anything manistream or iconic enough to put them even close in number and importance to human characters.I think all costume sets should be first tuned for humanoids, and then, as a secondary benefit, to non humanoid bodies if time and resources allows for it.
Great job again.
All new sets should have similar materials options and have clear synergies with at least some other sets.
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Sometimes though, less is more. Could see, for instance, using just the shoulder pads or hips for characters with less humanoid geometry, and in combination with some other pieces. The complete set as is doesn't work for me, either.
More texture/detail options would definitely be nice ... since we already get a ton with tights, as well as many, many other pieces.
Oh so also we are counting out Grod from DC, an ENTIRE planet of anthros on the Alternate Earth in Marvel, and any other people made by the High Evolutionary, and Sauron also from Marvel. With all the Aliens in Marvel and DC the numbers of such anthros or non-humans in general is too long to list. Also really? You do not recognize hardly anyone on the first list? Rocket and Groot will be in the next big Marvel Movie for crying out loud.
I think "alternate" is a very important word here.
And B - listers in both Marvel and DC universe aren't exactly staples of the genre.
Guardians are the next big thing, but still not exactly on level with icons like Big "S" or Peter Parker. And question would be, if books dedicated only to these two without the rest of the team would score as much as books about more normal characters.
And you could still outdo such list twice with humanoid characters only.
Facial recognition is a very important thing for humans. Non-humanoid characters will never be more important, or even very close to humanoid ones, because majority of readers will always shift towards the more relatable characters.
Doesn't matter if they're prevalent in comic books, they're very prevalent in Champions lore. A few major NPCS are beast-men, and we've got a few neutral in game factions made up entirely of them. But, I'm coming at this from the thought that the tailor should let us self police as much as possible rather than deciding we can't use some parts because reasons. I mean, they *did* include those options. It's only fair that they give them some love every once in a while. Hell, I even say this as a person who pretty much never runs bestial types. It's not for me, but I can see why it's important for some other people.
Personally, I like the set. Especially the invader zim spider legs. I'm gonna abuse the HELL out of those.
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As for the costume it's quite good. I imagine many CoH players who want to rebuild their Solider of Arachnos and Lord Recluse clones can now fully do that.
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I buy the costumes regardless if I want them or not. I might want a piece I might not, or I can create or redesign a nemesis with them. But as every bit helps I make sure to add my part.
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Bestial needs an overhaul personally. Need their own legs instead of silly legs that lets any foot attached. And the ability to wear more pants options, well pants at all, in general, skirts and such. I would love to have a proper wolf leg.
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