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Relax Cybermind's initial lockout mechanic, revise respawning, and more
luesatchmo402
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Cybermind's initial barrier is thrown up the instant that someone attacks the boss, which has very easily locked other players out (mainly, myself) when I was no more than a step behind the whole group, due to a ranged player or a melee player lunging. The lockout happens the instant the fight begins in Cybermind's case, though in other alerts (Warlord) there exists a period of about 10-15 seconds where other players have time to run past the barrier before it goes up, regardless of whether the fight was started.
Please consider changing the initial lockout condition on the Cybermind fight to one similar to Warlord's, with a grace period for those who may be several steps behind to enter regardless of someone immediately jumping at the boss. While this CAN be avoided by player awareness, there are still many cases where players are either unaware or don't really seem to care, and initiate the fight anyway, getting themselves killed (which brings me to respawning) or taking ~30 minutes to solo his 2 million+ HP down while everyone has to stand at the door and watch.
On the topic of respawning, having players who die in a staggered fashion, coupled with the long walk back to the gate from the spawn point in the firewall room, will leave some players waiting at the door as the final player dies, resetting the boss. However, a common problem with unaware players is that as the final player is running back to the door (takes about 30 seconds), the other players have already jumped in and (most likely) die because the person(s) running back were locked out. This has led to some alternating cycles of two sets of players repeatedly running in without everyone present and dying. Please move the respawn from the boss fight closer to the actual door, so there isn't a 30 second lag between respawn and actually entering the room, in an alert of this type with lockout it servers no purpose.
Third, please fix ascension in travel power suppression zones. It shouldn't work there, or in Hi-pan.
Fourth, please consider adding the binary aura as a drop to Cybermind, or the circuit aura effect from picking up colored upgrades during the fight. Though I realize that the second might interfere with gameplay for those wearing it... It just looks really neat on the new Holoforce and Dragon sets if you color the see-through pieces black. :P
Please consider changing the initial lockout condition on the Cybermind fight to one similar to Warlord's, with a grace period for those who may be several steps behind to enter regardless of someone immediately jumping at the boss. While this CAN be avoided by player awareness, there are still many cases where players are either unaware or don't really seem to care, and initiate the fight anyway, getting themselves killed (which brings me to respawning) or taking ~30 minutes to solo his 2 million+ HP down while everyone has to stand at the door and watch.
On the topic of respawning, having players who die in a staggered fashion, coupled with the long walk back to the gate from the spawn point in the firewall room, will leave some players waiting at the door as the final player dies, resetting the boss. However, a common problem with unaware players is that as the final player is running back to the door (takes about 30 seconds), the other players have already jumped in and (most likely) die because the person(s) running back were locked out. This has led to some alternating cycles of two sets of players repeatedly running in without everyone present and dying. Please move the respawn from the boss fight closer to the actual door, so there isn't a 30 second lag between respawn and actually entering the room, in an alert of this type with lockout it servers no purpose.
Third, please fix ascension in travel power suppression zones. It shouldn't work there, or in Hi-pan.
Fourth, please consider adding the binary aura as a drop to Cybermind, or the circuit aura effect from picking up colored upgrades during the fight. Though I realize that the second might interfere with gameplay for those wearing it... It just looks really neat on the new Holoforce and Dragon sets if you color the see-through pieces black. :P
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Ascension prob shouldn't be flagged as ignoring TP-removing effects like NttG. Its not like its on a really long base cd for it to have that powerful of an effect, tbh.
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I don't PVP enough to say anything on whether nailed should cancel it, but it shouldn't work in zones where using it either leaves practically everyone behind or (in the case of Hi-pan) actually results in the alert breaking to the point where people have to leave, re-queue, and watch the cutscene again while hoping someone doesn't do it a second time. The debuffs in the alerts were pretty deliberately placed to remove all flying, and they should really remove ALL flying.
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Another thing with the red panels, I've heard two different things. One is that the panels regen HP when you attack them while not highlighted and the other is they regen HP is you don't keep hitting the red panel. The only way to know what's going on is to test it or have someone tell you after they test it. I didn't see anything to tell if the panels were healing. This whole room is just designed to be as annoying as possible instead of fun or interesting.
It seems like having the camera zoomed out too much is detrimental to parts. And if you don't have sound on, you'll probably miss instructions.
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What's wrong with ascension? It's like 10 seconds of flight, that's hardly game-breaking. People have been trying to get that power nerfed since it was introduced, I really don't understand it.
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A flight that actually is breaking no travel power rules as well as ignoring nailed to the ground when I hit people with it. Not to mention being a defensive and offensive click in one move, providing both a damage boost and a substantial heal. It's hugely imbalanced,a nd that's not including the free flight people use to bypass content.
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It breaks Hi-Pan's alert, where most avg players won't have or use ascension for that purpose (making it also quite rude to do in random teams) and w/ ranking it can last upto 18 sec. Its also just cause giving one power a special free-pass/exemption of an intended game mechanic limitation, when the power is already very good w/o it, is overkill and not fair to similar powers (namely, any AO that doesn't have an inanely broken thing like nimble mind associated with it).
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If you have an issue with ascension's mobility, you should also be trying to get evasive maneuvers and all lunges nerfed, since they give you greater mobility during those encounters than someone without them.
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In Hi-pan's current state, though, giving a flight power under all travel suppression isn't fine. At worst the alert breaks and becomes unbeatable and at best it can leave people struggling to fight the mobs to reach the boss as a small handful whack the boss and leave.
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You know how vb has that insta-death zone near the edges? We need to make the blank space in hi pan like that. "Just gonna go ruin this here aler" *50k damage* "OH WHAT THE HELL!"
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TrailTurtle provided a great link of Cybermind tips back '12. One of them was as follows:
Link to TT's original thread: http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=238731
heh, that could work too
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oh my god this would be amazing
the kinds of people exploiting that probably wouldn't read the patch notes too and would slam right into it and be like "WTF?"
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Yeah, something to prevent players from rushing ahead of the group to start a boss fight when the rest of the group is numerically unable to get there in time to participate is something that several instances need.
I was under the impression that the problem was players flying over the mooks to get directly to Hi-Pan, with the rest of the party unable to follow. Wouldn't a more logical solution be some sort of poison cloud that hovers just above the npcs to prevent players from staying out of aggro range above them?
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That is a problem, yes, but when I've seen people do it they just pop it and beeline to the last platform where the boss is. The flight is long/fast enough to go straight from the start to the fight without even following the path.
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Then the alert can really be farmed.
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Now, personally, I haven't had too much trouble with this, because I tend to bring characters that can solo the packs of enemies - and if there are people around without ascension, I'll do that. But... yeah, jerk move to just fly ahead.
So the question is, what's the easiest way to program in a fix to this issue? Changing Ascension to not grant flight while travel powers are suppressed seems like it would be doable, but I don't know what the code looks like; that may be too complicated or too likely to cause other problems.
So here's an alternative thought: give that girl who's holding open the portal a conversation option - once the second cutscene has played, you can talk to her and get teleported directly to Hi Pan.
As for PvP... well, I don't PvP, so I'll mostly stay out of that. As long as whatever fix ends up here doesn't break things in PvE, I don't really care.
...Maybe the right thing to do is make Ascension work like Night Warrior? Instead of having the flight built-in, it gives you an extra "travel power" that - like teleport - has a limited duration and a combat cooldown?
I just don't really see why the rest of us ascension users who don't abuse it should be punished because a few people think it's fun to skip fun.
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It's not related to Ascension.
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Or when one of the npc's is knocked over it, that can happen easily when someone uses a fully charged cascade on the last group.