Its not about wining arguments its about the discussion of why NW and STO win more awards (win any awards at that :P ) . Facts are NW and STO are newer better games Cryptic have learned from the mistakes they made here.
What other companies do in their older mmos is here the by.
Oh and those that call Smackwell a Cryptic spokesman Ive seen him talk to the devs it normally involves the followings.
The "Don't bother, some people just want to hear themselves" talk thing was hilarious though... primarily because of how poorly aimed it was. The fact that it was then followed by absoloutely no contribution to the conversation, as if the person making that comment was making it just to make it... yeah, brilliant.
Legendary.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I never said anything about being surprised, thats just you ASSuming :redface:
I never said you were surprised, I ASKED. Or did you not see the 3 question marks in my last post? They look like this "?" for future reference. Learning what punctuation marks mean will be helpful in the future. But since you didnt answer my questions, I'll ask you again: were you surprised? If not, what was the "Good lord" all about? Those are questions, FYI, since they ended with question marks.
I never said you were surprised, I ASKED. Or did you not see the 3 question marks in my last post? They look like this "?" for future reference. Learning what punctuation marks mean will be helpful in the future. But since you didnt answer my questions, I'll ask you again: were you surprised? If not, what was the "Good lord" all about? Those are questions, FYI, since they ended with question marks.
The answers to all your questions is no.
I just thought it was cute how you ended up in the exact same situation you wanted to criticize someone else for in the exact same thread
I just thought it was cute how you ended up in the exact same situation you wanted to criticize someone else for in the exact same thread
Yeah, "exact same"...except for the fact that I asked if you were surprised rather than stating it. Whats cute is how you think different things can be "the exact same". First not understanding punctuation, now not even understanding words. Yeah, thats real cute :redface:
It honestly doesn't surprise me that CO is nowhere on that list. It's my favourite MMO, but I do think it's a bit dated by today's standards in the same sense that CoH seems pretty dated to me when I looked at it a couple years ago. I am kinda surprised Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is on that list, though. It really didn't seem like it'd be that good.
Personal attacks only mean you no longer have a valid counter argument. If you disagree with something someone says, explain why. But attacking the person just makes you look foolish, it doesnt somehow make your point more valid.
Do as I say, not as I do, amirite?
In any case, I was responding to a comment he made about himself. If he didn't want to become the subject, he shouldn't have made himself it.
1. Oh you've counted all of them? Oh, okay. :rolleyes:
It's hard to consider them few when they tend to dominate half of the discussions I see about Cryptic.
2. I never claimed they were perfect. But you take things to the extreme.
Allahu Akbar. :rolleyes:
3. The posts you're talking about, I say "I think," not "just wait, you'll see," in a defensive manner. It's called optimism, hopes that my favorite MMO will get better. <insert real clever dictionary comment here> Once again, predictably, you're taking a situation and painting it in the worst light possible.
No, I'm just calling it how it is. Oh, and that year that they have to prove me wrong about this game being developmentally dead is half over.
I'm just curious... what are you hoping to accomplish by pointing out the game isn't the best it could be, and then being hostile towards anyone who disagrees with you regarding the degree to which it isn't the best it could be? What's the end game of this conversation?
Or is this just like wow's raid content, where you just run it over and over again with no actual end goal.
I'm just curious... what are you hoping to accomplish by pointing out the game isn't the best it could be, and then being hostile towards anyone who disagrees with you regarding the degree to which it isn't the best it could be? What's the end game of this conversation?
Or is this just like wow's raid content, where you just run it over and over again with no actual end goal.
Maybe those whom accuse hostility should look in the mirror. Hostility is a two-way street.
Maybe those whom accuse hostility should look in the mirror. Hostility is a two-way street.
Not necessarily. Some of us are just curious as to what exactly the aim of your apparent anger is.
Remember, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to the Dark Side. The Dark Side has cookies. However, this does not necessarily mean that getting angry will get you cookies, because the Dark Side doesn't share.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Not Cryptic's fault NCsoft nuked your favorite game. A year and bit later you still cant help bringing it up and just *****ing. Its just ***** ***** *****. I love you.
Actually I don't and I really need to add this last part. We all hate you go far far away and never come back.
Git Gud M8!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
Some people were just as unhappy before it was killed as they are now.
Could CO use more content? Yes.
Could CO use more dev attention? Yes.
Is CO getting more than it had been while everything was going to NW? Yes.
Does CO need doom, doom, and more doom in every thread. Left as an exercise to the reader.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Maybe those whom accuse hostility should look in the mirror. Hostility is a two-way street.
Maybe you should just answer the question instead of attempting to redirect.
Just so you know, I will totally accept "I have no goal, I just want to argue for the sake of arguing" as a valid answer. We do it around here all the time.
How about we shut the damn forums down for a week until EVERYBODY cools the f*** off?
Bloody hell, nobody can say two words without it turning into mud-slinging right now.
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
How about we shut the damn forums down for a week until EVERYBODY cools the f*** off?
Bloody hell, nobody can say two words without it turning into mud-slinging right now.
But Sister... what else will I read while eating popcorn??
But in all honesty I have to agree, I think at this point it's easier to agree to disagree, cause we are all still playing the game to some degree or another, and if you aren't... then why continue to argue over something you don't spend time playing anymore?
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But Sister... what else will I read while eating popcorn??
But in all honesty I have to agree, I think at this point it's easier to agree to disagree, cause we are all still playing the game to some degree or another, and if you aren't... then why continue to argue over something you don't spend time playing anymore?
I bolded the part where you stopped agreeing to disagree and just went back to disagreeing u_u
Not necessarily. Some of us are just curious as to what exactly the aim of your apparent anger is.
Because I should be totally content with Cryptic half-assing things? Some of us are not so easily contented by rusty toys that could use polish as you are, Jon. CO could be great, it could have been on that list, but instead they just let it languish, gathering dust and cobwebs.
Not Cryptic's fault NCsoft nuked your favorite game. A year and bit later you still cant help bringing it up and just *****ing. Its just ***** ***** *****. I love you.
Actually I don't and I really need to add this last part. We all hate you go far far away and never come back.
Your post is irrelevant and I have decided that you're a nobody.
I bolded the part where you stopped agreeing to disagree and just went back to disagreeing u_u
However I never picked a side so I can't agree to disagree on anything. I was merely stating it from an observers PoV to the argument. I DID say in simpler terms that if you are still playing then game then you like it on some level, and if you're not playing anymore then you don't need to argue how good or bad the game is anymore because supposedly you have moved on. (and those yous aren't to you specifically spinny)
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You know, kojiro, there are vast gulfs of attitude between the poles of "contented" and "enraged". Perhaps it's time to explore some of these gradations of feeling.
Or you could just keep sitting there and spitting vitriol, whatever trips your circuit breakers I guess...
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
You know, kojiro, there are vast gulfs of attitude between the poles of "contented" and "enraged". Perhaps it's time to explore some of these gradations of feeling.
Or you could just keep sitting there and spitting vitriol, whatever trips your circuit breakers I guess...
And it's precisely this kind of **** I'm talking about. "Oh, how dare my precious Cryptic get criticized on their holy boards. I must therefor attack the critic's qualities to defend Holy Cryptic!"
And it's precisely this kind of **** I'm talking about. "Oh, how dare my precious Cryptic get criticized on their holy boards. I must therefor attack the critic's qualities to defend Holy Cryptic!"
Thus hostility being a two-way street.
Get it now, cretins?
After glancing over most of this thread, I'd kind of just like you to stop insulting the rest of the community. You remind me of a certain someone that wound up going crazy because they took this stuff too seriously and shut themselves away from everyone else.
Also, it's just not good to look at things so negatively and crudely. At least not to the degree you are doing it to, in my opinion.
"Never believe information that makes you wrong." -Donald Trump
Attempted troll maneuver by spinnytop concerning my doubts that Cryptic (which has lied to its fans in the past, mind you) was telling the truth about something. Ignored as I would not be baited so easily.
Well they must have not used the old engine cause Cryptic found these wonderful things called fingers. *well you were the one that brought COH into the discussion *
Person I'm debating with starts getting snarky and condescending. I still maintain civility, pointing out that Cryptic repeating the same mistake twice makes them look more incompetent.
Because you knew I'd complain to trailturtle about it again. It takes a special kind of "moderator" to fan the flames and then lock threads.
I didn't know you'd complained in the first place.
Also I didn't know that posting my opinions were "fanning the flames" but okay, here we go.
Let me make something clear. I will tend to close threads that take on a "doom and gloom" air because it's not good for the game, especially when they're baseless. I don't know of any moderator that would foster trolling, flamebait posts against the game.
This thread started off as a fair discussion on the state of the game. Your input turned it from a discussion to an argument. You used hyperbole and and tactless accusations to point fingers at Cryptic. People trying to have a normal discussion have been derailed by your silly arguments. In a nutshell you've brought nothing to the discussion and have just wrecked it. So, discussion closed.
Devtracker, feel free to open the discussion again.
Kojiro, I'll do you one better and report the thread myself.
Now, this thread is closed. In the future I may close threads and edit posts a bit more judiciously if they're clearly just doing nothing more than baseless Cryptic-bashing.
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"Good lord"? Are you surprised by this? Are you new to the internet or MMO forums if you are surprised by ridiculous things being said?
I never said anything about being surprised, thats just you ASSuming :redface:
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
What other companies do in their older mmos is here the by.
Oh and those that call Smackwell a Cryptic spokesman Ive seen him talk to the devs it normally involves the followings.
"SHUT UP!"
Legendary.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I never said you were surprised, I ASKED. Or did you not see the 3 question marks in my last post? They look like this "?" for future reference. Learning what punctuation marks mean will be helpful in the future. But since you didnt answer my questions, I'll ask you again: were you surprised? If not, what was the "Good lord" all about? Those are questions, FYI, since they ended with question marks.
The answers to all your questions is no.
I just thought it was cute how you ended up in the exact same situation you wanted to criticize someone else for in the exact same thread
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Yeah, "exact same"...except for the fact that I asked if you were surprised rather than stating it. Whats cute is how you think different things can be "the exact same". First not understanding punctuation, now not even understanding words. Yeah, thats real cute :redface:
It honestly doesn't surprise me that CO is nowhere on that list. It's my favourite MMO, but I do think it's a bit dated by today's standards in the same sense that CoH seems pretty dated to me when I looked at it a couple years ago. I am kinda surprised Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is on that list, though. It really didn't seem like it'd be that good.
Do as I say, not as I do, amirite?
In any case, I was responding to a comment he made about himself. If he didn't want to become the subject, he shouldn't have made himself it.
It's hard to consider them few when they tend to dominate half of the discussions I see about Cryptic.
Allahu Akbar. :rolleyes:
No, I'm just calling it how it is. Oh, and that year that they have to prove me wrong about this game being developmentally dead is half over.
The clock continues to tick....
I'd bet you'd love to.
I'm just curious... what are you hoping to accomplish by pointing out the game isn't the best it could be, and then being hostile towards anyone who disagrees with you regarding the degree to which it isn't the best it could be? What's the end game of this conversation?
Or is this just like wow's raid content, where you just run it over and over again with no actual end goal.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Maybe those whom accuse hostility should look in the mirror. Hostility is a two-way street.
Remember, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to the Dark Side. The Dark Side has cookies. However, this does not necessarily mean that getting angry will get you cookies, because the Dark Side doesn't share.
- David Brin, "Those Eyes"
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Not Cryptic's fault NCsoft nuked your favorite game. A year and bit later you still cant help bringing it up and just *****ing. Its just ***** ***** *****. I love you.
Actually I don't and I really need to add this last part. We all hate you go far far away and never come back.
Git Gud M8!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
All sizzle and no steak, as expected.
Could CO use more content? Yes.
Could CO use more dev attention? Yes.
Is CO getting more than it had been while everything was going to NW? Yes.
Does CO need doom, doom, and more doom in every thread. Left as an exercise to the reader.
No steak?
why neverwinter???
Maybe you should just answer the question instead of attempting to redirect.
Just so you know, I will totally accept "I have no goal, I just want to argue for the sake of arguing" as a valid answer. We do it around here all the time.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Bloody hell, nobody can say two words without it turning into mud-slinging right now.
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
But Sister... what else will I read while eating popcorn??
But in all honesty I have to agree, I think at this point it's easier to agree to disagree, cause we are all still playing the game to some degree or another, and if you aren't... then why continue to argue over something you don't spend time playing anymore?
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By "right now" you're referring to the last seven years, right?
Everyone is just cranky because the devs stopped posting updates over the holidays. It made all their "the devs don't care about us" feelings relapse.
I bolded the part where you stopped agreeing to disagree and just went back to disagreeing u_u
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Because I should be totally content with Cryptic half-assing things? Some of us are not so easily contented by rusty toys that could use polish as you are, Jon. CO could be great, it could have been on that list, but instead they just let it languish, gathering dust and cobwebs.
Your post is irrelevant and I have decided that you're a nobody.
Perhaps you should actually look in that mirror as I said and actually grasp the point I made as you rub together those two braincells you have.
However I never picked a side so I can't agree to disagree on anything. I was merely stating it from an observers PoV to the argument. I DID say in simpler terms that if you are still playing then game then you like it on some level, and if you're not playing anymore then you don't need to argue how good or bad the game is anymore because supposedly you have moved on. (and those yous aren't to you specifically spinny)
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This is what people hope for when they say "DO YOUR WORST!" :biggrin:
Or you could just keep sitting there and spitting vitriol, whatever trips your circuit breakers I guess...
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And it's precisely this kind of **** I'm talking about. "Oh, how dare my precious Cryptic get criticized on their holy boards. I must therefor attack the critic's qualities to defend Holy Cryptic!"
Thus hostility being a two-way street.
Get it now, cretins?
After glancing over most of this thread, I'd kind of just like you to stop insulting the rest of the community. You remind me of a certain someone that wound up going crazy because they took this stuff too seriously and shut themselves away from everyone else.
Also, it's just not good to look at things so negatively and crudely. At least not to the degree you are doing it to, in my opinion.
Really? Let's go see where it went on this track, shall we?
Attempted troll maneuver by spinnytop concerning my doubts that Cryptic (which has lied to its fans in the past, mind you) was telling the truth about something. Ignored as I would not be baited so easily.
Person I'm debating with starts getting snarky and condescending. I still maintain civility, pointing out that Cryptic repeating the same mistake twice makes them look more incompetent.
Outright obnoxious response.
There we go, our intrepid "moderator" pours fuel on the thread and lights a match.
And so, here we are.
I'd close this thread if it didn't mean that I'd lose the approval of my peers.
Edit: nevermind, I lose the approval of my peers no matter what I do. HAVE AT THEE!
What that I closed the thread? Changed my mind just for you
I didn't know you'd complained in the first place.
Also I didn't know that posting my opinions were "fanning the flames" but okay, here we go.
Let me make something clear. I will tend to close threads that take on a "doom and gloom" air because it's not good for the game, especially when they're baseless. I don't know of any moderator that would foster trolling, flamebait posts against the game.
This thread started off as a fair discussion on the state of the game. Your input turned it from a discussion to an argument. You used hyperbole and and tactless accusations to point fingers at Cryptic. People trying to have a normal discussion have been derailed by your silly arguments. In a nutshell you've brought nothing to the discussion and have just wrecked it. So, discussion closed.
Devtracker, feel free to open the discussion again.
Kojiro, I'll do you one better and report the thread myself.
Now, this thread is closed. In the future I may close threads and edit posts a bit more judiciously if they're clearly just doing nothing more than baseless Cryptic-bashing.