So I'm understanding this right...like Guild Wars 2?
I have no idea. I was never interested in GW.
Each class has a substantial list of class specific abilities but players can choose any of them they like to make a build once they've satisfied the tier requirements.
Sounds about right.
Basically, just a freeform as we have them now, but with a limited list. For example, a Specialist would get Dual Pistol and Dual Sword attacks, powers that related to quick movement (Lightning Reflexes, Masterful Dodge, Evasive Maneuvers, etc), and other powers that match the theme. There would be too many to take them all, so there would have to be choices made.
And powers from outside the theme would be unavailable. To stick with the Specialist example, you wouldn't have access to Heavy Weapons, or even to the Machine Guns and Rocket Launchers from Munitions (though you might get a few grenades); to use those, you'd need a different AT, or a freeform.
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I still think that the right way to do ATs would have been somewhere between the existing ATs and full-bliwn freeforms:
-Superstats (and therefore, the first spec tree) are preselected.
-Inherent Talent is preselected.
-Role is preselected.
-Second spec tree is preselected. It matches the Role, except for Hybrids; in that case a thematically appropriate tree is selected.
-Third spec tree is player's choice.
-A list of 25 thematically appropriate powers is preselected for the player to build from. The player may select powers as if they were a freeform, but they cannot choose powers from outside their list. Normal prerequisites apply.
I would rather see nothing preselected. You can select all stats, specs and roles like any freeform. Only limit is the amount power-trees you have bought.
The whole AT system is garbage, i would never never pay for an AT since they all are so crippled that i don't want to play them.
However i would have payed for Infernal, Munition, Dual-Sword, Force, Powerarmor, Celestial .. if i could after that build characters with theses powers.
However i would have payed for Infernal, Munition, Dual-Sword, Force, Powerarmor, Celestial .. if i could after that build characters with theses powers.
Should they have the same cost?
How do you deal with the fact that some sets (PA is a prime example) have had powers added over time? Do you get all powers that are added to the framework later as part of the original cost?
If power sets have varying costs based on their number of powers, do the costs of the sets increase as powers are added?
How do you deal with sets that have overlapping powers?
How do you deal with sets that are identical, except for a small number of key powers, like Sorcery (and to a lesser extent, Martial Arts)?
I'd be willing to bet that the devs had considered selling powersets, but realized that there were far too many issues that could arise. Archetypes were a better idea. They were just too restricted in the way that they were implemented.
_________________________________________________ @flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Some other games have had similar issues. In general all sets cost the same and any updates to a set are free to people who already bought it. It's really not too different from how the game is now in many respects. I haven't paid for any new powers that came long after I bought my LTS and several of the costume sets that came out more recently cost just as much as the ones that came earlier. The earlier ones have less pieces but the price of a set is universal and it's up to the costumer to determine if it's a good value for them. Barring that, there's nothing stopping different pieces of content for sale from having different prices. Some games already do that as well.
In a nutshell, I'm saying there are admittedly some 'issues' but none on either side are insurmountable or lacking in precedent.
That's your opinion. Please don't claim it as an objective fact.
I said I would never have paid .. i didn't said that YOU wouldn't pay.
Why must people always do as if they don't understand an opinion when someone don't uses 1000s of disclaimers ? This a game and not a Lawyer forum.
Still the strongest point of the game (disclaimer : for me and also a lot of people here, but not for you) is the freeform system and the costume editor.
That's your opinion. Please don't claim it as an objective fact.
1. It was obviously an opinion based on the "strong" language description.
2. Garbage may not be an objective description but factually the AT system is flawed as the numerous complaints that have been posted over the years can attest. Even FF players can find multiple reasons to complain about a system they are not restricted to.
3. It very well could be fact in the sense of the claim that she would have never paid.
yeah what I wanna know is if its possible without getting amazing imaginary xp from an image editor :biggrin::rolleyes: and I don't think kenpo would fake it just so he can post how fast he did/n't level
Not sure why you would even think Kenpo would have to do that.
And yes, it is possible. I once got a character from 30 to 40 in about 2 hours, so it's likely that 6-30 could have been done in 3 or less. This was during the double XP weekend before last, when a Nemesis Smash was up for that entire 2 hours.
Ok best best method I found so far is to farm mega destroids with a level 40 friend that has extreme dps.. every single mega destroid grants as much experience as a smash alert.
yeah what I wanna know is if its possible without getting amazing imaginary xp from an image editor :biggrin::rolleyes: and I don't think kenpo would fake it just so he can post how fast he did/n't level
Use 2x xp/xp boost/nem heirloom gear. Find interesting things to do between alerts. Then get back to me Gradi (Also I'd like to team with you and have a look at your builds if that's ok, you have my word I will not remark negatively on them here or anywhere). I disagree with Kenpo on a great many things, but when he says he's done something in my experience he has flat out done it. Let's just leave the idea of bogus imaging at the door, it doesn't have any use here.
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I have no idea. I was never interested in GW.
Sounds about right.
Basically, just a freeform as we have them now, but with a limited list. For example, a Specialist would get Dual Pistol and Dual Sword attacks, powers that related to quick movement (Lightning Reflexes, Masterful Dodge, Evasive Maneuvers, etc), and other powers that match the theme. There would be too many to take them all, so there would have to be choices made.
And powers from outside the theme would be unavailable. To stick with the Specialist example, you wouldn't have access to Heavy Weapons, or even to the Machine Guns and Rocket Launchers from Munitions (though you might get a few grenades); to use those, you'd need a different AT, or a freeform.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
I would rather see nothing preselected. You can select all stats, specs and roles like any freeform. Only limit is the amount power-trees you have bought.
The whole AT system is garbage, i would never never pay for an AT since they all are so crippled that i don't want to play them.
However i would have payed for Infernal, Munition, Dual-Sword, Force, Powerarmor, Celestial .. if i could after that build characters with theses powers.
Power Armor - 30 powers.
Wind - 14 power.
Should they have the same cost?
How do you deal with the fact that some sets (PA is a prime example) have had powers added over time? Do you get all powers that are added to the framework later as part of the original cost?
If power sets have varying costs based on their number of powers, do the costs of the sets increase as powers are added?
How do you deal with sets that have overlapping powers?
How do you deal with sets that are identical, except for a small number of key powers, like Sorcery (and to a lesser extent, Martial Arts)?
I'd be willing to bet that the devs had considered selling powersets, but realized that there were far too many issues that could arise. Archetypes were a better idea. They were just too restricted in the way that they were implemented.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
In a nutshell, I'm saying there are admittedly some 'issues' but none on either side are insurmountable or lacking in precedent.
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That's your opinion. Please don't claim it as an objective fact.
I said I would never have paid .. i didn't said that YOU wouldn't pay.
Why must people always do as if they don't understand an opinion when someone don't uses 1000s of disclaimers ? This a game and not a Lawyer forum.
Still the strongest point of the game (disclaimer : for me and also a lot of people here, but not for you) is the freeform system and the costume editor.
1. It was obviously an opinion based on the "strong" language description.
2. Garbage may not be an objective description but factually the AT system is flawed as the numerous complaints that have been posted over the years can attest. Even FF players can find multiple reasons to complain about a system they are not restricted to.
3. It very well could be fact in the sense of the claim that she would have never paid.
Step 1: Log in.
Step 2: Type /played.
Step 3: Take screenshot.
Step 4: Open image manipulation software.
Step 5: Replace time played with 5 hours.
Step 6: Post on forum.
Congratulations. You did it.
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Not sure why you would even think Kenpo would have to do that.
And yes, it is possible. I once got a character from 30 to 40 in about 2 hours, so it's likely that 6-30 could have been done in 3 or less. This was during the double XP weekend before last, when a Nemesis Smash was up for that entire 2 hours.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
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I disagree, Kenpo does not need to resort to such measures u3u
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You disagree with the claim that Kenpo doesn't need to fudge his numbers, because he doesn't need to resort to such measures?
What's your best time with a character that doesn't have a saved up DXP boost?
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
5 and some change.
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Use 2x xp/xp boost/nem heirloom gear. Find interesting things to do between alerts. Then get back to me Gradi (Also I'd like to team with you and have a look at your builds if that's ok, you have my word I will not remark negatively on them here or anywhere). I disagree with Kenpo on a great many things, but when he says he's done something in my experience he has flat out done it. Let's just leave the idea of bogus imaging at the door, it doesn't have any use here.
Or was I the only one who thought that?
No, I caught it. I thought this line made it pretty obvious:
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Wrong. I was trying to say that someone was incorrect for making a claim, then made that claim myself in the same sentence.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
wrong. The claim being referred to was that Kenpo didn't fudge his numbers.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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