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I enjoy playing this game, and every now and then I consider buying a LT sub. But I obviously dont want to buy one only to have it shut down the next year. How long do you think this game has left, and do you think a LT sub is safe at this point?
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The last official word was that there are no plans to shut the game down.
There is no other information regarding your question, just a whole lot of theories that are backed up by other theories that are backed up by that first theory.
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No one can say for certain how long the servers will remain up.
However, if you want over a year guaranteed on your LT sub, the safer bet is to sub monthly instead.
There won't be a mass exodus... just a whole lot of people quietly feeling dumb for freaking out over nothing. People who have extensively tested the changes say so... and they're the only ones with any real information u_u
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Exodus? Wow. A bit of hyperbole.
You know what's gonna happen? People will hate it for a week, realize that it's not a big deal, then keep playing when someone figures out how to make a good build.
You've got it backwards. Those some aren't guessing... it's the people who think there's gonna be an exodus who are guessing.
If you think about it, that should comfort you, not motivate you to disagree.
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It will not affect me. I know this for a fact. Here's why.
I have 70-something characters. Some of them have Lightning Reflexes. Some of them don't.
One of the characters I'm playing right now has 50% dodge chance, and 20% avoidance. Pretty stupid, right? But guess what, I DON'T GIVE A FART. That's how I build my characters. That's how I've built my characters for FOUR YEARS. Because I don't care.
I've been running Bloodmoon crypts with this amazing 50%/20% combo, and it's literally NO CHALLENGE, except when I get to that last guy-dude. You know what happens then? I have an intense fight, because sometimes, just sometimes, I DON'T GIVE A FART about his life drain, and I try to PUNCH FACE THROUGH THE LIFE DRAIN! And when I win, I drink a beer and then go and punch more things.
At the end of the day, I had fun, with or without dodge and avoidance.
I'm so fine with these changes, because then my characters that stack offense and the ones with defense will now be pretty good, and the whole game won't rely on Dexterity.
DON'T GIVE A FART ABOUT LYFE!!!@!
If you're anywhere above noob... then what's the problem?
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But the engine is dated and wont allow for new OUTRAGEOUS features to be added (no water powers, no staff powers, no foundry, etc)
so, its kinda like an elderly person in a nursing home, with a cute nurse helping him to get his clothing in order and fixing stuff in his room for him, checking the heating or making sure he has extra blankets.
The game will go on, probably until the engine becomes very, very dated, or until some new dandy Superhero MMO with actual customization comes out (probably not this decade).
Or maybe until some Zillionare buys Cryptic and puts Tons of cash to hire like 70 extra devs to fix the engine and the game...
Don't expect much and you wont get
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Or... you could be exaggerating...? CO isn't an elderly person on life support... it's a bunch of software on some servers that various people have varying opinions about. It's kinda different.
The assumption that a low population guarantees a shutdown is just that... an assumption. There are several examples in the market that suggest otherwise.
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and nobody here on the forums does know because none of the people here on the forums are PWE management(and if you are, give us a picture so we can mug you)
I bought my friend his LTS in May becasue he wanted it for a birthday(and christmas and next birthday..etc) present.
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Well there were signs and even graphs dating back to 2010 about the population and income slipping and various other things. It just got passed off as normal "DOOOOM!" saying. And some of those folks made valid points, but no one bothered to listen. So of course it seemed like a surprise and unpredicted when the signs were missed.
But you are right about one thing though. At anytime any moment when the owner decides they feel like closing up shop.
AT the same time though, I think there was a message from one of the workers here, Turtle iirc, that said there isn't any plans for a shutdown.
Well given the dodge change is on test server, and so far there haven't been much of an out roar too much beyond the usual out roar with every change. I think Biff is right about this one. There will be some pissed, then a week later it will be like nothing even happened.
Some will probably leave, most will probably just simply adapt like they did with all the other changes, and some it probably wont affect much at all because they didn't build their entire defense around dodge gear.
Two years ago, there was an average of 10-15 servers up on average, more during high profile events.
Last year there was between 7-10 servers up on average.
This year, you're fortunate if there are 5 up. During Bloodmoon there's FOUR servers.
I leave the rest to your deductive reasoning.
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My question is... what if they had listened?
What if we all, every player in the game, suddenly decided to listen and believe the doom saying?
Would it "save" the game? Would it improve anything about anything?
Would it lower the population further as people jump ship? Would it promote a toxic community that spends their time talking about how bad everything is?
These conversations always end up in the same place. The doom sayers continue dreading the end that they're sure is just around the corner... and everyone else just keeps playing the game without that dread.
what other outcome is there for these "debates"?
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Don't ever stop being hilarious...
Wait? Whaaaa..?
Because:
The people who are keeping the game alive, mainly are playing pvp.
Fake subbers do not spend money, at all. I have no clue how many people
are legit subbers but my guess would be there are not too many of those.
Pvp is going to get destroyed> people stop spending money on CO. fake subbers
keep on fake subbing, spending not a single dime pretending the game is doing well.
The reality is:
Once the pvp crowd decides to quit or stops spending money, who is going to cover the costs?
The few legit subbers? I highly doubt it.
Always look at the big picture, not just the fragments that your are aware of.
Oh, please do something to back that up. Because to all appearances, PvP is a minor sideline in this game much like it was in CoX. They're just a loud faction that complains about any changes, so you notice them.
Comprehend what i typed and you will see how i backed it up. If you can't comprehend it, why bother replying?
Yep, yep, and yep.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Personally, I wonder if population continues to drop, or plummets, maybe it'd be a good thing because PWE might finally decide to put serious work into it. I mean, granted, I suspect it's more likely they'd pull the plug, but... never know.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
You have quite an imagination, and a glorious lack of any real information. That's the reality.
Until you can provide hard numbers, you're just making stuff up... but everyone already knew that, I'm just bored.
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I cannot give more details about it. I have to let a producer or developer know about it, first.
[if i do, there are going to be plenty of permanently banned people]
People have kept a glitch hidden for years and are abusing it to date, is all i can tell.
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Correct, sorry to burst your's and anybody elses bubbles. I just got to get a hold of an authorized employee/producer or developer. I doubt it's going to be funny for a lot people.
So spare us the sarcasm, it aint the right time to pull stunts like this.
cheers.
However he may be right with the PvP players, since Analysts have found out that in F2P Games 85% of the players never pay anything at all, and 3-5% the call the "big whales" are paying for over 85%.
Now since CO hast gone Pay2Win with Legion gear, but there is no real winning in PvE but only in PvP, it could be correct that mainly PvPers who want to win play masses of Lockboxes for that reason.
Disclaimer : I don't say it is so .. i just say it COULD BE !!
Idk if what i meant does work with LTS, too. But my guess is that it does.
Wasn't sarcasm... don't assume. As far as the fake subscriptions I'll believe that when I see it. As far as PvP being the only money making part of this game, that's just complete BS. This game makes it's money from:
Zen purchases: used for keys, costume sets, devices, hideouts, ya know.. all the stuff in the C Store.
Subs: Lifetime or otherwise
And since PvP has been hanging on by a thread since On Alert... I HIGHLY doubt that it's the only money making venue, if it was you can bet that Cryptic would actually give it more love than it's obviously not getting.
The money makers in this game are the costume fanatics, the altoholics, and the RPers.
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Just e-mail them. That's why it's hard to believe you... instead of just e-mailing them, or hopping onto the PTS to tell them, you're here making dramatics about it and "threatening" people. You're not exactly a shining example of credibility...
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Oh, i just did it. Let's forget about it, until they announce the mass bann wave, as a result.
[i could even name plenty of people, but naming and shaming is against the ToS.]
until then, cheers.
Costume Fanatics ? I really doubt that because else we wouldn't have gotten new costume sets for over a year.
Altiholics ? Personally i also doubt that because at least when i look at myself i never pay to much for ub0r-gear since i don't have a main where i say : that character deserves that i pay masses on money to gear him up with the best.
RPers ? For what else than costumes should they spent money ? So its the same than 1.
If you feed it, it just keeps gorging more.
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We have had new sets, even if they are only available in the lockboxes.
People who create several characters as well as accounts for characters can and do subscribe, purchase zen for those accounts and continue to purchase for whatever items they want.
RPers for the reasons above as well as the appeal of making many characters they can RP as.
We've also had vehicles and the emote pack, in addition to the recent costume bug fixes along with other issues being corrected. Has it taken a bit for Cryptic to realize this? Yes... but this game is founded on it's character creation. It's one of the BIGGEST reasons why people haven't moved on to other games entirely
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Well the thing about it, it wasn't actually doom saying. It was just categorized as normal doom saying. COX had crappy marketing, the population was slipping over the years, the income wasn't near what it used to be.
Thus simply, the players could have simply put in work to get the word out that the game existed, like they shown they are more than capable of doing except it was too late then.
The end result of if they listened, and the actions could have taken, could have been the same action they took after the game closing, when they went to all over the media getting the word out, contacting celebrities, and letting everyone they know about it. Imagine if listened and did that while the game alive, instead of passing off anything that wasn't all bubbles and ice cream as doom saying? It would be a great chance that COX would have been making a lot more and maybe not even been closed down.
But either way the signs were there. It just wasn't even bothered to actually look into it. Sure some doom saying is regular standard doom saying and sometimes it's not. That is why always look into it at least before automatically saying "Doom saying." because they might be valid. And most doom sayers don't use actual stats and go off "haunches and gut feelings" these people had actual charts graphs, stats, financial reports about the state of the game. The information was there, people just chose to ignore it and do nothing until it was too late.
While it's good to be positive, at the same time, hiding or pretending the negative is not there or everything that is not stating COX is perfect is considered doom saying can be equally if not more disasterous. Which the closing proved.
Hmph! I happen to have 8% body fat, for your information.
Without proof, it's just doomsaying.
Btw... it's important to make a distinction between doomsaying and criticism, since those who do one are not always doing the other.
Doomsaying: The game is going to end! The game is dying! It gets worse every day!
Criticism: There is some power imbalance, and bugs that need to be taken care of.
Doomsayers like to act as if the "other side" is always cheerleading and is incapable of criticizing. Lately, it has lead the doomsayers to make themselves look quite silly in several cases where they accused folks of being cheerleaders, only to be told that those people are in fact long time critisizers of the game.
Some people don't understand that you can criticize without being a doomsayer... and it's usually the doomsayers who appear to not understand that.
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Dont think about the game closing down. Lets pretend it will last forever. Do you think its worth it to pay 300 U$ for it? Do you think you will be playing it for long enough to make it worthwhile? Alternatively, do you think the developers deserve that much money? Take a good look at the updates we got on the past year. Do you think they deserve 300 U$ for recoloring devices and releasing lockboxes? That's a lot of money. But if you think they do, then buy the LTS and enjoy the game ^,..^
Explain to me again why nothing but BASH pops?
There are lots of people who pay real money to spend in the game. Your entire post is full of made-up "facts."
Not really.
It's not hyperbole at this point.
I know I could find something useful even with the changes because I've been min maxing from the time I had access to FF.
But if its all about "a new build", what about your AT players? If I hadn't had a decent experience as an AT, I would have never stayed long enough to run FFs.
Dodge/avoid is so OP that them marksman with their quarry and EM are supertanks right?
But why would I want to? The content is the same, more options are limited. It's bad enough I end up taking several common powers in my setups, I would break from it but there's no reason to justify doing so. Most powers can't come close to the most effective ones, there's no balance there.
I quit after my prototypes were nerfed because I was told they would be exclusive and better than what's to come. In their original state, they are generally superior to what any new vehicles had to offer. But they aren't in their original state.
Coming back to see if things had changed, I spent most of my time acquiring the new gear. Now a great deal of that new gear is being rendered just shy of useless. What makes you think a populace that has to gamble on lockboxes just to get high quality gear is going to be perfectly fine with having that gear deteriorate so horribly in performance?
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Yup that is why I said it wasn't actually doom saying, because they did have and provide proof of what they were saying. It wasn't the standard "The game is ending thing." It was more like, "The numbers seem to be going down. Here are the charts and reports. Maybe we should do something before it's too late since NCSOFT have no plans to market it."
But to some, with proof or without, criticism or not. It's all doom saying the same in their eyes.
Yeah I seen both sides, if there is even such a thing, view the other side as all or nothing. Doom sayers do it no more or less than the ones that take every criticism as doom saying. You are right it is possible to do one without the other and it's not always the same. But I guess that is how many humans are. If someone said they don't like, the dodge chance in a a game, it's almost guaranteed someone on the flip side will say, "Why play a game you don't like." It's all or nothing. Some people think you must absolutely love the game, or you must absolutely despise the game. When most times it's in the middle. And unless something is perfect, there will be criticism. Some people are more direct, some are indirect, some are frustrated it affects them ,some don't give a crap as long as it don't affect them, some don't see what the complaint is about because they benefit from it being as is, and some just don't give a hoot either way. Neither point in more valid than the other nor more invalid than the other, just how people view things through different set of eyes and beliefs. But a hindrance to good communication and understanding though are the absolute views of either one change means game over doom or else you must absolutely not criticize the game at all or you should leave view. Although they are views and valid in the eyes of the person with those views.
Kind of like this dodge change, to some it will wreck their world, others, meh it's only a few dodge points, other don't have dodge toons and don't see the big deal, others been there done that just another day, others see the unpset as mere doom sayers. Which view is right?