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A nerf nobody needs it!

lunaw78lunaw78 Posts: 293 Arc User
edited September 2013 in Champions Online Discussion
(Edited post) CO doesn`t need an Dodge/Avoidance nerfing! I hope they will never do this!
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  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 7,134 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You really -shouldn't- have posted this here...it hasn't been confirmed and there are various bugs with the current iteration. You should edit this ASAP.

    A discussion thread on the PTS thread was set up for a reason...to discuss the proposed changes...

    Ideally wait until they announce it will be going to LIVE before making a thread like this.
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  • sistersiliconsistersilicon Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    lunaw78 wrote: »
    (multiple paragraphs of DOOOOOOOOOOM)

    Or we could let them finish the review and adjust their proposed changes before taking things live. Not that Cryptic has the best track record on these things, but could we please wait until things go live before burying the damned game?
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  • lunaw78lunaw78 Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    sistersilicon wrote: »
    Or we could let them finish the review and adjust their proposed changes before taking things live. Not that Cryptic has the best track record on these things, but could we please wait until things go live before burying the damned game?
    LMAO, I really don`t think Avoidance/Dodge is that OP so they should be nerfed!
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  • lunaw78lunaw78 Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    theravenforce wrote: »
    You really -shouldn't- have posted this here...it hasn't been confirmed and there are various bugs with the current iteration. You should edit this ASAP.

    A discussion thread on the PTS thread was set up for a reason...to discuss the proposed changes...

    Ideally wait until they announce it will be going to LIVE before making a thread like this.
    Maybe your right, but I heard ppl speaking of that device nerfing before it went live and I don`t find any reasons why this nerf won`t go live, even if IMO is really a BAD nerfing! And where is that thread? I can`t find it in PTS section!
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  • flamingbunnymanflamingbunnyman Posts: 2,035 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    lunaw78 wrote: »
    Maybe your right, but I heard ppl speaking of that device nerfing before it went live and I don`t find any reasons why this nerf won`t go live, even if IMO is really a BAD nerfing!


    The big difference is that the device change was "We are making this change", whereas this change is "We're considering this change, and want feedback on it."

    Considering the resounding opposition to this change, I highly doubt that it will go live as-is. We probably will see changes to Dodge/Avoid in the future; however, there's no reason it needs to be as severe as it currently is.

    In City of Heroes, I remember seeing a change that brought down this kind of reaction. I don't recall what the change was, but I remember the developer comment on it: "It's easier to make too drastic a change, and then reel it back in, than it is to make the change not severe enough, and have to make things worse in the future."
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  • nextnametakennextnametaken Posts: 2,212 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Could be that she's not gold, has never been gold, and can't see the PTS section.
    Is it still hidden to silvers?
  • iamruneiamrune Posts: 965 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    nextnametaken wrote: »
    Could be that she's not gold, has never been gold, and can't see the PTS section.
    Is it still hidden to silvers?

    Then they don't get to give feedback on proposed changes, which is by intent.

    Gold status is required for PTS access for a reason, don't circumvent the process.
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    It seems the current PTS chances are not final and is not going to be as extreme as it is right now. My issue with the coming changes is the Justice gear. Will it be C-store or more likely in Lockboxes ._o
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  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 7,134 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    It seems the current PTS chances are not final and is not going to be as extreme as it is right now. My issue with the coming changes is the Justice gear. Will it be C-store or more likely in Lockboxes ._o

    Hopefully neither.

    An idea I have posted seems like a viable option:
    ME wrote:
    An idea to implement Justice Gear effectively than simply relying on a select few who will buy keys and providing such gear to a much wider audience (which may increase player retention as they see it is not all about P2W)

    [The Spirit of Justice!] - Collectable mod which can be fused with your existing and BOUND Legion/Heroic Gear to turn it into JUSTICE GEAR, complete with your current mods from the previous Gear.

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  • nextnametakennextnametaken Posts: 2,212 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    iamrune wrote: »
    Then they don't get to give feedback on proposed changes, which is by intent.

    Which is why PTS fails and so much crap goes live.

    There's been a guy spawning inside of a ramp in Fight Club for two years.

    The "Liberty Airlines" billboard has been shifting out of position for two years in three locations, its now about two and half feet from where its supposed to be.

    There are gaps that expose the underside of the city in Westside and City Center that have been there for two years.

    The door to Museum Mayhem has been wonky for three years.

    Mega Destroid event went live broken, three times.

    Forum Malvanum sucked and people on PTS said so, it went live.
    The race was broken and went live.

    Almost all this stuff I posted on the PTS forums when I paid to test their game for them two years ago.
    Hooray for pay walls.
  • joybuzzerxjoybuzzerx Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    flamingbunnyman wrote: »
    The big difference is that the device change was "We are making this change", whereas this change is "We're considering this change, and want feedback on it."

    Considering the resounding opposition to this change, I highly doubt that it will go live as-is. We probably will see changes to Dodge/Avoid in the future; however, there's no reason it needs to be as severe as it currently is.

    In City of Heroes, I remember seeing a change that brought down this kind of reaction. I don't recall what the change was, but I remember the developer comment on it: "It's easier to make too drastic a change, and then reel it back in, than it is to make the change not severe enough, and have to make things worse in the future."

    ED? PvP change? CoH had a few.

    I remember day 1 of CO...remember that nerf? :p

    I also recall most MMOs saying it's just a test, then just putting it in anyways.

    Basically, Id say players have plenty of reasons to be concerned.
  • flamingbunnymanflamingbunnyman Posts: 2,035 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    nextnametaken wrote: »
    Could be that she's not gold, has never been gold, and can't see the PTS section.
    Is it still hidden to silvers?

    All you have to do is log out of the forums to see that all sections are visible to everyone.
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,961 Arc User1
    edited September 2013
    nextnametaken wrote: »
    Which is why PTS fails and so much crap goes live.

    There's been a guy spawning inside of a ramp in Fight Club for two years.

    The "Liberty Airlines" billboard has been shifting out of position for two years in three locations, its now about two and half feet from where its supposed to be.

    There are gaps that expose the underside of the city in Westside and City Center that have been there for two years.

    The door to Museum Mayhem has been wonky for three years.

    Mega Destroid event went live broken, three times.

    Forum Malvanum sucked and people on PTS said so, it went live.
    The race was broken and went live.

    Almost all this stuff I posted on the PTS forums when I paid to test their game for them two years ago.
    Hooray for pay walls.

    ^this

    The only thing that I've ever tested on PTS was FF build. Which is what majority of subscribers actually tests there.

    Meanwhile STO and NW have PTS shard available for all players and actual testing done, with sufficient player group.

    Current state of CO PTS doesn't really make sense. You don't have even gameplay with archetypes really tested because only few players actually bothers with them on PTS.
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  • rabidsquawrabidsquaw Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    i have spent alot of real life money on this game and it pisses me off when they nerf my toons.. it cost me more money to have to adjust... if they nerf dodge/avoid im moving on to another game. i just lost alot of money on the devices they nerfed!
  • fudgemonstafudgemonsta Posts: 1,591 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Oh oh!

    It's a good thing I'm a nobody. I feel overpowered. Nerf my dodge please. Using two mods to ignore 30%(Average) of damage coming my way feels wrong. :smile:
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  • bluhmanbluhman Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I don't think we need two threads exploding over something that's so very beta that it's not even in the game yet, do we?

    That aside, I don't think even the devs are quite sure to what extent the change will be yet (hopefully to the point that dodge is still viable, but the gap between it and defense is simply shorter), but point is there's still ample time to bide/adapt/point fingers at me.
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