Sad to say Neverwinter is a lot better than CO

jedite2012 · July 2013

I have been playing CO after the beta and while it was fun for awhile, i have never reached level 40 until some time this year. CO has gone down hill ever since the merger to Perfect world, to be able to have the best and have awesome stuff is to be a gold member and even then u STILL need to pay real money for more awesome stuff.

CO lacks content and rarely updates and when ever they do bring something cool out they put it in a lock box which is so stupid.

Now NW does that too but the game is more free then CO, you can still buy extra stuff and you still probably HAVE TO pay real money to get more bags and mounts and services but you can still play without that stuff (only thing im willing to spend money on is for bag space)

When Neverwinter was in beta i hated it, i didn't want to play it cause devs are working more on NW then CO. I stuck with CO as long as i could just hoping they release something worth while to come back to. I do not know if i will ever come back to CO maybe or maybe not but so far i am having so much fun just like i was when CO was still fresh.

The thing that sold me the most was the foundry, it is awesome, it is not too limited either

I just hope they don't ruin it like they did with CO

Ok guys...flame on!!

supersharks · July 2013

Neverwinter is new to you. CO Is not. Of course you are finding more interest in it.

I felt pretty into NW too, but after the shine is gone I kind of feel like it hasn't a lot of potential.

flyingfinn · July 2013

I found that NW has no superheroes. It has elfs and orcs.
So CO is better than Neverwinter.

angelphoenix12 · July 2013

sad to say but a paperclip and a sheet of paper is more fun then this game. I agree with the op

flamingbunnyman · July 2013

jedite2012 wrote: »

Sad to say Neverwinter is a lot better than CO

That is a valid opinion.

Not one that I agree with.

Go and enjoy whichever game you choose to play.

themightyzenith · July 2013

flyingfinn wrote: »

I found that NW has no superheroes. It has elfs and orcs.
So CO is better than Neverwinter.

Quoted for truth. I'm here cause I like creating and playing superheroes.

gavinruneblade · July 2013

jedite2012 wrote: »

CO lacks content and rarely updates and when ever they do bring something cool out they put it in a lock box which is so stupid.

Content is not in lockboxes in CO. There are no missions that are unlocked only by getting lucky with a lockbox drop. There are no action packs or alerts that you can only do with a lockbox.

mods and gear are not content.

akirasanbeer · July 2013

flyingfinn wrote: »

I found that NW has no superheroes. It has elfs and orcs.
So CO is better than Neverwinter.

CO also has Elves and Orcs; best of both worlds! :biggrin:

jonsills · July 2013

gavinruneblade wrote: »

Content is not in lockboxes in CO. There are no missions that are unlocked only by getting lucky with a lockbox drop. There are no action packs or alerts that you can only do with a lockbox.

mods and gear are not content.

And then there's that new Emote pack - the one that's in the C-Store for 475 Zen, not in a lockbox, and is making me think about reviving Death Metal...

(And the potential helmet drops in Fatal Err0r, and the new AF.)

bwdares · July 2013

To the OP, thanks for your opinion, enjoy Neverwinter.

My opinion differs. i find CO a more enjoyable game.

NWO has many things CO doesn't liek a foundry and new game engine. Good for it.

itsbrou · July 2013

I like Champions better.

canadascott · July 2013

NWO does a lot of things right; the system for things like lairs and skirmishes are far more elegantly integrated into the game, and the graphics are much superior. Some of the Foundry missions are terrific and that community is very creative, as they're given more tools and assets, we should see some amazing scenarios.

However, CO has much better customization, and doesn't gouge you nearly as much for a costume change.

cgta1967 · July 2013

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Neverewinter is better than CO???

ROFL...

got to 60 in a week in that on-rails game.... havent been back since and wont either.

been playing CO since open beta.....and still playing.

so yeah.... not even close.

meedacthunist · July 2013

Better? Not really.

I tried to like NW and you know what? I can't.

It has better graphics.

It's yet another fantasy game. It has no meaningful character customisation. It's like playing Archetypes here, but AT can be at least made to look as your own character. NW? Nope, you will always end looking generic, or similar to someone, even if spending money at it. Because there are too few armors models and dyes.

Its action based gameplay isn't that action based to begin with. Main flaw - attacks are rooting you in place.

It has nothing to do with actual DnD mechanic, even with its 4th ed bastardisation - save for names for powers.

And worst thing - it's set in this ridiculous 4th ed setting. The thing which broke FR realms so badly that it's not even RP playable for me. Not like FR was my favourite DnD world, but its 4th ed incarnation is pathetic. Cosmology broken, pantheons broken.

It's yet another generic fantasy game. Tons of them already are on the market.

NW bosses and lairs are... Well, their difficulty level is achieved only by spamming tons of adds. Few of them has different AI. You saw one boss there, you saw like... 90% of them.

So what was its saving grace for me? The Foundry?

Tried it.
Good stuff. Did one adventure, it was liked and I had nice tips then I had it withdrawn for improvements. But I was unable to force myself to work at it, as I've lost interest in NW completely. So my adventure is in forever limbo now because I will not be installing NW again.
Not even Foundry can make me playing boring game.

Uninstalled this whole thing.

The only thing I really envy NW is the Foundry. They can keep all the rest.

klitty · July 2013

Well, that's a very valid opinion, mine is that I even played Steampunk Kittens in Fantasy Setting 2 and I still like CO better because is about super heroes and sharks with lasers

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cybersoldier1981 · July 2013

First and foremost, I'm not cutting down your opinion and saying it's wrong. I don't agree, but I respect your right to play what you want if you like it.

jedite2012 wrote: »

I have been playing CO after the beta and while it was fun for awhile, i have never reached level 40 until some time this year. CO has gone down hill ever since the merger to Perfect world, to be able to have the best and have awesome stuff is to be a gold member and even then u STILL need to pay real money for more awesome stuff.

Kind of how it works. Game development isn't a charity. But since the PWE merger? I have to agree.

jedite2012 wrote: »

CO lacks content and rarely updates and when ever they do bring something cool out they put it in a lock box which is so stupid.

Neverwinter's population has taken a nosedive, from what I hear. Give it a few months, you'll be seeing the same thing happen.

I don't like Neverwinter. Why?

Fantasy RPers and fanatics irk me. The only Fantasy I like is A Song of Ice and Fire (That'd be 'Game of Thrones' if you only watch the show).

There's enough fantasy out there, and it just doesn't stop coming. I'm not sure who did it, but someone put it into every game developer's head that MMORPG=FANTASY SETTING. I despise this. WoW didn't become successful because it had elves and swords, we've seen how no one else using this exact same formula has been successful.

Sure, you can argue it's 'popular' and appeals to a lot of people, but it doesn't to me. I don't like my appearance to be based on what I had to raid and grind for, either, and Neverwinter fell right into that.

To each their own, but IMO, fantasy MMO's are played out and need to die.

biffsmackwell · July 2013

flyingfinn wrote: »

I found that NW has no superheroes. It has elfs and orcs.
So CO is better than Neverwinter.

No. It has elves and elves and elves and elves and orcs. :rolleyes:

I was excited about Neverwinter, too. I spent around $400 on it total, stopped playing much of Champs during that time. After the shininess wore off, it started feeling like every other generic fantasy MMO. Combat was more fun than other fantasy MMOs, but that wasn't enough. Coupled with my favorite class not being what I expected at all, and I'm just BLEH all over Neverwinter. I'll very likely keep playing it, but despite how much more technically advanced is is than Champions, I think Champions is a much better game. Because it's all about your character here, and here, you're not just Fighter #42382 + Gearscore.

Champs needs a kick in the pants, and Foundry would be great for it, but for all its flaws, I can't stop liking Champs even if I tried.

fantasycharacter · July 2013

I think they both have their merits and both are very enjoyable games.

I actually wish both would adopt more of the other's features.:cool:

nepht · July 2013

jedite2012 wrote: »

I have been playing CO after the beta and while it was fun for awhile, i have never reached level 40 until some time this year. CO has gone down hill ever since the merger to Perfect world, to be able to have the best and have awesome stuff is to be a gold member and even then u STILL need to pay real money for more awesome stuff.

CO lacks content and rarely updates and when ever they do bring something cool out they put it in a lock box which is so stupid.

Now NW does that too but the game is more free then CO, you can still buy extra stuff and you still probably HAVE TO pay real money to get more bags and mounts and services but you can still play without that stuff (only thing im willing to spend money on is for bag space)

When Neverwinter was in beta i hated it, i didn't want to play it cause devs are working more on NW then CO. I stuck with CO as long as i could just hoping they release something worth while to come back to. I do not know if i will ever come back to CO maybe or maybe not but so far i am having so much fun just like i was when CO was still fresh.

The thing that sold me the most was the foundry, it is awesome, it is not too limited either

I just hope they don't ruin it like they did with CO

Ok guys...flame on!!

Your Captain Freaking Obvious huh. A thread about how a game that just came out is better than a game that came out 4 years ago. Of course Neverwinter is better , bet your momma is proud of yew that you figured that out.

NW is fun and I do like playing it but it doesnt have Supers so CO is mah thing.

wingofbenu · July 2013

jedite2012 wrote: »

I have been playing CO after the beta and while it was fun for awhile, i have never reached level 40 until some time this year. CO has gone down hill ever since the merger to Perfect world, to be able to have the best and have awesome stuff is to be a gold member and even then u STILL need to pay real money for more awesome stuff.

CO lacks content and rarely updates and when ever they do bring something cool out they put it in a lock box which is so stupid.

Now NW does that too but the game is more free then CO, you can still buy extra stuff and you still probably HAVE TO pay real money to get more bags and mounts and services but you can still play without that stuff (only thing im willing to spend money on is for bag space)

When Neverwinter was in beta i hated it, i didn't want to play it cause devs are working more on NW then CO. I stuck with CO as long as i could just hoping they release something worth while to come back to. I do not know if i will ever come back to CO maybe or maybe not but so far i am having so much fun just like i was when CO was still fresh.

The thing that sold me the most was the foundry, it is awesome, it is not too limited either

I just hope they don't ruin it like they did with CO

Ok guys...flame on!!

The foundry is the only good part to neverwinter. otherwise its basically just a more blatant cash grab than STO or CO.

lucasjackson · July 2013

nepht wrote: »

NW is fun and I do like playing it but it doesnt have Supers so CO is mah thing.

+1 for the Pulp Fiction quote!

wingofbenu wrote: »

The foundry is the only good part to neverwinter. otherwise its basically just a more blatant cash grab than STO or CO.

I wouldn't call a free game trying to get money a cash grab.

crypticbuxom · July 2013

Can't be a paladin in NWO. Can be all the paladins in CO.

Champions Online - Be the CHARACTER you want to be! Its not limited to just heroes.

NWO targeting becomes tiring. Its free exploration nonexistent. Its level and feature selection, what's that?

In CO I get to choose any power that exists and decided if it gets extra effects or more strength. I can also travel however I want. Also changing colors doesn't require items you need to purchase or farm.

smoochan · July 2013

I've played NWO and already become bored of it. It has a few neat things, but nothing really captivating enough to differentiate it from the WoW-style mmos that I've largely left behind. It does have a little bit of active dodging, meaning it's better than all the MMOs that don't have that, but that's really the only thing it has. I'll be surprised if I go back to it. Also, it has a gear grind at the end... a pretty terrible one in fact that suffers from the same sympton that a lot of MMOs are suffering from, where most people buy the gear they would be getting from a teir before they even start that teir, and expect other people to do the same or refuse to group with them.

Champions, on the other hand, does have things that I can't get anywhere else, so you know I'll keep coming back here, even if there are large periods of time inbetween. Also, no ridiculous backwards gear grind... I don't think I've ever found anything that kills my enthusiasm faster than a pointless gear grind.

Also... what do you mean by "more free to play"? I've only ever spent like maybe ten dollars on CO and I've been playing it for years without any problems. At least here when you die, there isn't a window that immediately pops up advertising respawn items in the cash shop.

biffsmackwell · July 2013

crypticbuxom wrote: »

Can't be a paladin in NWO. Can be all the paladins in CO.

Champions Online - Be the CHARACTER you want to be! Its not limited to just heroes.

NWO targeting becomes tiring. Its free exploration nonexistent. Its level and feature selection, what's that?

In CO I get to choose any power that exists and decided if it gets extra effects or more strength. I can also travel however I want. Also changing colors doesn't require items you need to purchase or farm.

Yeah in Champs, I know that if I choose to use a giant greatsword, it's gonna tear people in half and not feel like I'm hitting people with a rolled-up poster.

kojirohellfire · July 2013

NW is the only Cryptic game I'm not playing. Take that as you will.

xydaxyda · July 2013

Yeah I got bored of NWO almost instantly...

as others have said, there simply wasn't nearly enough superheroes.

fudgemonsta · July 2013

I've been spoiled by Spore, so unless there is customization, it is a no-go for me.

avianos · July 2013

flyingfinn wrote: »

I found that NW has no superheroes. It has elfs and orcs.
So CO is better than Neverwinter.

Jokes on you! in Champions Online I play as EVERYTHING but a superhero!
Including Orcs, Trolls, Goblins e.t.c (see Signature Banner Below) :biggrin:

hyperstrikecoh · July 2013

jonsills wrote: »

And then there's that new Emote pack - the one that's in the C-Store for 475 Zen, not in a lockbox, and is making me think about reviving Death Metal...

You mean the one where they're selling air-guitar back to people after taking it away?

kojirohellfire · July 2013

hyperstrikecoh wrote: »

You mean the one where they're selling air-guitar back to people after taking it away?

Predicting Mr. Contrarian's response: "At least we're getting it back."

Now we'll see how close I was.

hyperstrikecoh · July 2013

biffsmackwell wrote: »

No. It has elves and elves and elves and elves and orcs. :rolleyes:

The "Elves" usage is a Tolkienism! Chris & Company want their royalties!

Next time use "elfs"!

kojirohellfire · July 2013

hyperstrikecoh wrote: »

The "Elves" usage is a Tolkienism! Chris & Company want their royalties!

Next time use "elfs"!

That lawsuit already happened. It went only so far as Hobbits and Ents. Elves and Dwarves are free to use, with those spellings.

chaelk · July 2013

yes the foundry is interesting, The rest however is BORING.

I have no interest in PvP- so thats out.

REALLY no interest in gear grind- so thats out.

one mission line to level with occasional race/clas missions- I've leftt the characetr sas is and gone back to CO.

It;'s waaayy more interesting

zahinder · July 2013

If it wasn't for Foundry, I'd find Neverwinter absolutely not worth playing more than, oh, two weeks.

I mean, it's pretty, but the limitations are staggering.

It DOES have Foundry, though, which allows a venue for UGC that's hugely better than... anything else in MMOdom.

Though I guess they have to be careful -- if they ever get around to migrating Foundry improvements back to STO like they've 'promised' (it's a MMO promise, so it's in wuss quotes), the NW foundry community might dwindle.

foosnark · July 2013

I enjoyed NW for about two weeks. Sort of.

I don't even hate 4th edition (though Pathfinder is better), and I have never complained about "another fantasy MMO." The game mechanics are mostly okay, for what they are. But:

-- I hated the controls (they're far more customizable here). Even as I grew more or less used to them, aiming area spells was still awkward.

-- I hated the glitchy performance -- unplayable on my wife's machine, and with weird hitches and pauses in the city on my machine that doesn't have trouble running anything else I throw at it.

-- I hated the almost total lack of customization in clothing. Especially because default outfits in many cases are UGLY. Seriously, a wizard's "robes" are a bluish purple towel with holes in it and grey pajama pants, and they're going to keep looking like that for more than 30 levels. Or I suppose I could wear a brown sack instead. Or I could pay through the nose in the Z store, where dye is a scam and an outfit cost about three times what costume sets did here back before lockboxes and random drops took over.

-- The class system is dull. In CO, between customization of powers (as an FF) and costumes I always feel like I can try something totally new. In there, not so much.

I'm at 848 days as an LTS here, am still playing regularly, and have thrown more money into costume packs and such. I consider it entertainment money well spent. If costume sets were regularly showing up in the C-store like they used to, I'd still be spending money here. But I never felt inclined to throw a penny at NW.

zahinder · July 2013

I know I've done my table flipping 'f*k this game, I'm out of here!' but it's easier to log into forums in CO than NW (for some stupid reason) so I keep reading...

Anyway, NW's lack of character customization is just... flippin bizarre, and it particularly shows poorly when we already have DDO to point to when someone says 'yes, but mmo!'

I mean, a sword is only usable by one fighter and not another? the fuq?
My wizard doesn't have the proper training to wear cleric pants?

The cleric serving the solar leadership god has the exact same abilities as the cleric of illusions?

That said, Foundry and devs that actually have permission to do stuff.

So there's that.

jennymachx · July 2013

CO had a roughly year and a half of development and beta-testing time.

NWO had almost three years, even though technically it's still considered to be in beta.

NWO also had the advantage of using an already-built engine that CO is using and since there was a huge developmental focus on NWO, the engine should have received improvement and polish to make the game surpass CO technically.

PWE and Cryptic have no choice but to make the game as high-quality as possible because they want to keep the rights to using the D&D license which doesn't belong to them. There isn't the same incentive for them to do so for CO since they own the Champions license.

So duh, Neverwinter is expected to be better than CO or at least, a much more polished game.

Do all of that interest me into playing the game though?

Heck no.

Out of principle I refuse to invest any time and money into NWO when CO has suffered in terms of development for the betterment of that game. I don't care just how much better it is, or how it has the foundry. Playing NWO to me is basically telling PWE and Cryptic that I'm perfectly okay with how they threw CO in the backburner for NWO's sake.

nextnametaken · July 2013

I got four days out of Neverwinter, might have gone longer but it disconnected between every zone.

Outside of the demo_record feature I have no interest.
Its fun, but elves and dwarves and swords are done to death.

I wish we had their cities and zone designs, from what I saw they were really well
made with lots of atmosphere that Millenium City, Canada and the Desert lack.
It got dark on Monster Island for like 3 minutes the other day, it was lovely for those 3 minutes.

gtw891 · July 2013

To each their own.

NW may be a good game but I much prefer CO's over NW's mouse driven controls. That and I like playing supers makes CO's (despite its flaws) better.

foosnark · July 2013

I actually tend to prefer the fantasy genre, and then things like cyberpunk and the occasional steampunk and hard SF, over superhero comics. My idea of a good comic is Sandman, the Invisibles, Transmetropolitan...

But I still prefer CO. Customization wins.

crypticbuxom · July 2013

jennymachx wrote: »

CO had a roughly year and a half of development and beta-testing time.

NWO had almost three years, even though technically it's still considered to be in beta.

NWO also had the advantage of using an already-built engine that CO is using and since there was a huge developmental focus on NWO, the engine should have received improvement and polish to make the game surpass CO technically.

PWE and Cryptic have no choice but to make the game as high-quality as possible because they want to keep the rights to using the D&D license which doesn't belong to them. There isn't the same incentive for them to do so for CO since they own the Champions license.

Yet gameplay, customization, exploration, iconic characterization and so on are just so f**ing poor. How? Why?

jennymachx · July 2013

crypticbuxom wrote: »

Yet gameplay, customization, exploration, iconic characterization and so on are just so f**ing poor. How? Why?

rianfrost · July 2013

Different strokes and all. Id say that nw is a dull version of TERA. really, they have 3 melee classes and every %^#ing one uses a sword(great-sword, sword and shield, and 2 daggers big enough to basically be short swords)? its a newer game, so its got the latest tech, so from that standpoint, its going to look nice, but depth wise? i already uninstalled it, and am still playing co. they really do cater to very specific interests in mmos.

but really, a game with only 5 classes does it for you? man...

chaelk · July 2013

foosnark wrote: »

I
But I still prefer CO. Customization wins.

oh god yes, the boring grey characeters. all wearing similar outfits. all similar colours.

you can make dyes with alchemy, the base colours . you can buy a few colours in the zstore, blue, black, white,

the city looks ok but the characters* shudder* lik e a horde of zombie

smoochan · July 2013

Neverwinter Nights 2 has a greater ability to keep my interest than NWO. I started playing NWN2 again recently, and have played it for more hours than I did NWO already. Turns out when I want to play a D&D game, I actually wanna play a D&D game.

jonsills · July 2013

smoochan wrote: »

Turns out when I want to play a D&D game, I actually wanna play a D&D game.

Wow, who'da thunk?

Poor controls, poor graphics, on-rails playstyle; the only complaint I've seen here that isn't accurate is the one about only three classes and everybody uses swords (or giant freaking "daggers"). There's also the "mage" class (yeah, just try to cast Light on an enemy's eyes - one of my favorite low-level spells in D&D, blinds 'em real good), who walk around juggling their giant balls...

zahinder · July 2013

Wait, poor graphics??

Compared to __CO__??

(The rest of it, sure)

supersharks · July 2013

smoochan wrote: »

Neverwinter Nights 2 has a greater ability to keep my interest than NWO. I started playing NWN2 again recently, and have played it for more hours than I did NWO already. Turns out when I want to play a D&D game, I actually wanna play a D&D game.

This.

When Mike Mearls admits D&D 4th Ed blows you know you failed to make D&D. Some people enjoy 4e (almost exclusively younger people who didn't play the predecessors) but in my experience talking with them they enjoy it as a tactical battle game, not as a role playing game. Nothing in 4e makes sense, it lacks verisimilitude. Both in rules and in setting / consistency.

I had to turn off my brain and chew on a belt to enjoy what I did of NW, but I could only take it so long before I gave it up. Even ignoring the 'D&D' license the game itself lacks potential, its all so claustrophobic.

atring · July 2013

zahinder wrote: »

Wait, poor graphics??

Compared to __CO__??

(The rest of it, sure)

Yeah, there is some kind of issue that I haven't been able to resolve. I've fiddled with the graphics settings, and it still looks off. I have no trouble in CO or STO with getting decent quality with minimal lag issues, but NWO kind of eludes me.

And, while my computer isn't some epic artifact suitable for the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race, it's no slouch. I can run most MMOs at only a step below max settings without the performance suffering noticeably.

fantasycharacter · July 2013

jonsills wrote: »

Wow, who'da thunk?

Poor controls, poor graphics, on-rails playstyle; the only complaint I've seen here that isn't accurate is the one about only three classes and everybody uses swords (or giant freaking "daggers"). There's also the "mage" class (yeah, just try to cast Light on an enemy's eyes - one of my favorite low-level spells in D&D, blinds 'em real good), who walk around juggling their giant balls...

Yeah...but....Unicorns!!!!!

jonsills · July 2013

I've had the same problem as atring. No matter what I do, NW comes across looking like CO with half-graphics on (and a muddy color palette). I can run CO in a mode where I can see my hero's exaggerated comic-book-style musculature, and the textures on the costumes - but in NW, no such luck.

And I really wanted to like the game, too. But the graphics and the gameplay suck so bad...

Sad to say Neverwinter is a lot better than CO

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