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Come on Neverwinter..

flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Champions Online Discussion
You just take and take but don't give....

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Stars are preddy, aren't they?

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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,961 Arc User1
    edited July 2013
    *facepalm*
    Wait.
    They simply copypasted star mask from CO Golden Age costume with only a bit more detailed maps?
    Oh boy... That game indeed is nothing more than copypaste fest built on CO and STO.
    It's not only mechanics, but even models.

    Hint-hint. if anyone here want's to bother with NW Foundry or actual gameplay, take a closer look at devils equipped with bat wings.

    They are using the same model as CO back piece, this most popular one for demonic characters - dragon wings big.

    Yup, The same. Down to polygons, bones and animations. The only things different are slightly more detailed maps, but even those still look like drawn using CO ones as templates.

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  • zahinderzahinder Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm ticked at a lot of things, but...

    So?

    They have a lot of art assets. The point of having one engine is to save on development.
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  • despairsrequiemdespairsrequiem Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    LOL... how sad @_@ its one thing if its a low budget low income small group of early 20s/ late teens indie game developers.... but for a corporation to do something this lame sad can be the only word to describe it :/ that and travesty or how about...super lame. That mask doesn't even fit never winters "theme" .... zahinder, I understand what your saying about utilizing your assets, and I don't mind the skeletal sharing and model sharing. but make up NEW cosmetics for a NEW game
  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Right...

    ...and if they didn't just copy it from CO...and made something better...you would be complaining about that instead.
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  • zahinderzahinder Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    There are plenty of new assets. That's just not one of them.
    Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH

    Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?

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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,961 Arc User1
    edited July 2013
    Point is, CO is never given anything in return. Not even few emotes. Not even non-mechanical vehicles (people were asking about vehicles like horses and others for magical characters, right?).
    It's a good example how things are here.

    But I'm not even mad.

    It's not even surprising, not anymore.

    It's sad at best.
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  • iceih03iceih03 Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    You just take and take but don't give....

    4ebb7b86da152b24fde06c46f353bbff1372461981.jpg

    Stars are preddy, aren't they?

    Follow the meltdown...HERE

    Taking good stuff from one game to the other is good, the best of having one engine in 3 games is sharing resources and costs.
  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Too bad the stream seems to flow on the one way only.
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  • iceih03iceih03 Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Too bad the stream seems to flow on the one way only.

    You are right, this is the problem not sharing stuff.
  • flamingbunnymanflamingbunnyman Posts: 2,035 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Come on Neverwinter..

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  • zahinderzahinder Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Too bad the stream seems to flow on the one way only.

    Oh, I'm feeling a stream directed at CO.

    And that isn't water.
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    Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Honestly?

    I'd give Neverwinter a second look if they used some of CO's fantasy costumes that are actually good, as opposed to Neverwinter's ho-hum cliche' outfits.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Heh, they're already claiming it's completely different because of a few extra polygons.
  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Seems some people there seems so mature and so uptight.
    Like mr. viking. I think i'll leave him to his constructive posting. I spilled my beer when i went to read his other posts. :biggrin:
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  • jerax1011jerax1011 Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    I spilled my beer when i went to read his other posts. :biggrin:

    Crap what a waste! *hands Finn another beer*

    But I agree, altered or not, is IS proof that they can share things from one game to another, so why no love back to CO?
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  • sekimensekimen Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    When Champions Online used assets from STO (the emotes), STO complained and we didn't end up getting them.

    But hey, don't worry about taking (premium) assets from CO! Nobody here left to complain... :(
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  • dantheiceman1dantheiceman1 Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    you know after reading both, i really want to say some things to the devs of BOTH games that i really really want to, but if i do that i'll most likely get banned so i'll refrain

    sad part is what i really want to say is SO very true and it describes the devs of both games and the company to a T.
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  • psi2psi2 Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well. Whatever.

    That's basically my stance now.

    They don't care much about CO. They're all but pushing us out the door. And, rather than give my money to them through NW, I'm giving it to SOE through DCUO. They seem to actually appreciate it over there. :)

    So, it worked out for me either way. Thanks Cryptic! :D
  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,621 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sekimen wrote: »
    When Champions Online used assets from STO (the emotes), STO complained and we didn't end up getting them.

    But hey, don't worry about taking (premium) assets from CO! Nobody here left to complain... :(

    Pretty much this.

    Lets complain that they get it when we had to pay for ours so it gets pulled. Or otherwise just port over the emotes they took from us. (The emotes still exist, they were just removed from the command list we have access to.)
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Posts: 4,504 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Hey, if stealing from CO is CO's sole usefulness in the grand Cryptic plan. I wont complain. Useful things generally don't get the axe.

    Id rather be a living organ donor, then a cold corpse.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    Hey, if stealing from CO is CO's sole usefulness in the grand Cryptic plan. I wont complain. Useful things generally don't get the axe.

    Id rather be a living organ donor, then a cold corpse.
    Well, I would also rather see our own stuff too. I mean, like it's been said- things need to work both ways.

    I DO NOT want more fantasy elements in CO. How many powers are in the sorcery set already? Just, not my thing, yuck.

    However, if there is a new system or something interesting that can be tweaked for superheroes- then so be it.
  • greyerskiesgreyerskies Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It would take about 5 minutes to create that asset (the mesh, at least) in whatever 3D package Cryptic's devs use. An art team just created an entire gameworld for NWO; there's really nothing cynical about any minor resource sharing that does occur.

    That star has different geometry, and so different UV coordinates. Cryptic's artists would save virtually no time at all by re-using that asset.

    Or are there other examples?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Posts: 5,508 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Heh, they're already claiming it's completely different because of a few extra polygons.

    Yeah, I read that and that was odd. They're the same asset. I don't really care. But for like 5 pages that one poster was clinging to a variation in graphics settings as proof that they're different assets? Weird and dumb.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wow thats lazy LOL@Cryptic just now XD
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  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    iceih03 wrote: »
    Taking good stuff from one game to the other is good, the best of having one engine in 3 games is sharing resources and costs.

    Agreed.

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  • greyerskiesgreyerskies Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Are we still talking about that star?

    It's not the same geometry, not the same UV coordinates, not the same normal & spec maps, and is worn by entirely different character models.
  • nextnametakennextnametaken Posts: 2,212 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    New content was announced today and still the peeing on the floor and crying.
  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,961 Arc User1
    edited July 2013
    greyerskies wrote: »
    It's not the same geometry, not the same UV coordinates, not the same normal & spec maps, and is worn by entirely different character models.

    Truth be told, costume parts like masks are adjusting to character models, so it's hard to tell if it has the same geo or not. Character models between Cryptic games share at least bones, since they can share animations.
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  • greyerskiesgreyerskies Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    meedacthunist wrote: »
    Truth be told, costume parts like masks are adjusting to character models, so it's hard to tell if it has the same geo or not. Character models between Cryptic games share at least bones, since they can share animations.
    It's rather different around the nose bridge area.

    But more to the point, I don't really see why it'd be a problem to share resources even if they did/do.
  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Point missed by a lightyear.
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    edited July 2013
    greyerskies wrote: »
    It's rather different around the nose bridge area.

    But more to the point, I don't really see why it'd be a problem to share resources even if they did/do.

    It's been said before why some of us would have an issue with it. The last time resources would have been shared was the addition of some emotes made in STO. When the complaints came in that CO was getting stuff for free that STO players would have had to pay for, it got yanked from CO. Now, NW is getting something for free that CO players have to purchase. It may look slightly different but it functions 100% the same. The same way an air guitar emote can and often will look slightly different on a CO character than a STO character due to body sliders and proportions. Nitpick about polygons and geo all you want, the basic premise of the argument holds merit.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Point missed by a lightyear.

    I feel the need to illustrate your post.

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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Here's my question to anyone who sees this as unfair treatment while currently playing NWO more than they do CO or even entirely so, especially having bought ZEN for use with the NWO more than they do for CO or even not at all:

    You've shown that you're in support of Cryptic's new product. You've shown that even with the sad state of things with CO, it doesn't stop you from moving on to playing NWO.

    Considering this, do you think you have any solid ground to complain about NWO copying stuff from CO? After all, the mask is just an asset from the game you hardly play or don't even play any longer, why complain?

    Think about it.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I don't think it's fair or unfair. The Starmask was just so obvious if you've played CO. They can fling stuff back and forth all they like.
    And i play NW, since it's has something new to do. Have i spend or will i spend as much cash to it as i've spend on CO. See i didn't say 'will' on CO.
    No.
    Never.
    Ever.
    And i like what kind of rabblerabble this has caused in both forums.

    Now just port some CO heroes/weapons/costumes to NW and see what kind of armageddon that causes once revealed.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    I don't think it's fair or unfair. The Starmask was just so obvious if you've played CO. They can fling stuff back and forth all they like.
    And i play NW, since it's has something new to do. Have i spend or will i spend as much cash to it as i've spend on CO. See i didn't say 'will' on CO.
    No.
    Never.
    Ever.
    And i like what kind of rabblerabble this has caused in both forums.

    Now just port some CO heroes/weapons/costumes to NW and see what kind of armageddon that causes once revealed.

    So you're just interested in the drama and backlash concerning it? Okay then. But to address the initial statement you made:
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    You just take and take but don't give....

    If I'm not interpreting it wrongly, that seems like an accusation of unfair treatment.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Now just port some CO heroes/weapons/costumes to NW and see what kind of armageddon that causes once revealed.
    Oh, yeah. Let me unleash Happifun Security System X-4 against those refugees from a RenFaire in NW - see how well their fancy swords fare against Invulnerability 3, or how their scale armor and shield hold up against Plasma Beams and Micro Munitions... :smile:
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    No. I just wanted to see if people have noticed same thing that i did and how seriously people will take it. I even added lil smiley end of the NW post. And it's not like there isn't enought drama on that side of the fence. It soon will be drowned under some new exploits and wrongly muted player complaints.

    How can it be, since they didn't take anything. (Or did i punctuate wrongly again?)....
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Oh, yeah. Let me unleash Happifun Security System X-4 against those refugees from a RenFaire in NW - see how well their fancy swords fare against Invulnerability 3, or how their scale armor and shield hold up against Plasma Beams and Micro Munitions... :smile:

    Careful now. While it may be laughable to bring swords to a laser fight, you don't want to peeve off their mages since the laws of physics don't apply to magic like they do to technology.

    (That didn't sound overly-geeky at all)
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  • sistersiliconsistersilicon Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Oh, yeah. Let me unleash Happifun Security System X-4 against those refugees from a RenFaire in NW - see how well their fancy swords fare against Invulnerability 3, or how their scale armor and shield hold up against Plasma Beams and Micro Munitions... :smile:

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    sistersilicon wrote: »
    Alright, you primitive screwheads, listen up! You see me?

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    A heavily modified FBR-X platform. Kord Technologies' top of the line. You can find me in the Tank department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Paragon City, Rhode Island. Retails for about, well, if you have to ask... I've got kendrium alloy armor plating, kinetic barrier matrix, plasma beam weapons, a three-axis holo-crystal neural network, and a hair trigger.

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  • wethree1wethree1 Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    NOW I SWEAR, IF ANY OF YOU PRIMATES... EVEN TOUCHES ME...

    Coming from CoH, I'm constantly seeing and hearing things I recognize. Wings, sounds, costume pieces, which is kind of cool in a way.

    Honestly, I don't care about copying one way or another, I care about having a good Superhero game to play. But, after less than a year on this game, I mostly log on to say hi to my main cause I made him and I love him and he's awesome. He's all tricked out at level 40 with gear and there's nothing new to do or anything that's fun enough to do over and over and over.

    Honeslty, that's how I feel about having a level 40 with gear in this game. All dressed up but no place to go.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well, I dunno- I mean, I think the main problem is that we'd like to see things advance in ALL games when something cool comes out for one of them.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Considering that I don't play Neverwinter, I just found the ported, updated star mask rather quaint. I thought it was just another game based on the popular Forgotten Realms property and I wouldn't expect a superhero-esque star mask to appear in a D&D setting. It'd really get a big WTF from me if it appeared in STO.
  • iamruneiamrune Posts: 965 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Come on Neverwinter..
    flamingbunnyman wrote: »
    Commas are important. They can totally change the meaning of a sentence.
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Too bad the stream seems to flow on the one way only.
    zahinder wrote: »
    Oh, I'm feeling a stream directed at CO.

    Oh, you guys.:biggrin:

    Seriously though, I've wanted the extra stances like the Cute one from STO since before it launched, and I'm constantly annoyed for almost five years now how this one way movement of assets seems to be going, with next to nothing returned to Champions, which is extra maddening when Champs launch revenue paid and paved the way for STO and NW development.

    Some idiots over at STO even made a stink when we almost got the Air Guitar emote here for free. Nobody seems to care it's in NW for free now though. :mad:
  • greyerskiesgreyerskies Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Point missed by a lightyear.
    nepht wrote: »
    I feel the need to illustrate your post.

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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    greyerskies wrote: »
    Thanks guys, I'll try to be smarter in future?

    Here to help thank me later.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,739 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    Here to help thank me later.

    THANK YOU LATER?! HE SAID THANKS RIGHT THERE IN THE PART YOU QUOTED!!!

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  • flamingbunnymanflamingbunnyman Posts: 2,035 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    Here to help thank me later.
    biffsmackwell wrote: »
    THANK YOU LATER?! HE SAID THANKS RIGHT THERE IN THE PART YOU QUOTED!!!

    k;ladgmkvj;nlkgjncshljbvsa;ldehjglB:HJSLFADz;jfkgjZCDXCV

    Biff, Biff, Biff... Did you miss my earlier post?
    flamingbunnyman wrote: »
    Commas are important. They can totally change the meaning of a sentence.

    Also, you should never use a semicolon before "jfkgjZCDXCV". Always precede it with a full stop.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    flamingbunnyman wrote: »
    Biff, Biff, Biff... Did you miss my earlier post?
    Yes, Nepht is here to help us thank her later. I'm unsure why she believes we'll need the help, but I stopped trying to figure out why people do things years ago.
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  • canadascottcanadascott Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Even if they did, I don't begrudge NWO using CO assets.

    However... air guitar, formal bow, facepalm. and head butt emotes, please.
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