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Elle the Ghost Blade is the ULTIMATE TANK!
monsterdaddy
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because Elle can do what was deemed "completely impossible" -- defeat THREE SHADOW COLOSSI alone!
In reality, I don't believe there is an ultimate anything in Champions Online and this is why I enjoy the game so much. No true champion in this game should ever tell another hero their build is inferior, that it is impossible for them to do this or that... Never trust anyone who says they know everything and who tells you that you know so little.
So for all the newcomers like me to this wonderful game, that's the only message I really wanted to convey, thanks and enjoy the video...
Elle the Ghost Blade Defeats THREE SHADOW COLOSSI alone!
In reality, I don't believe there is an ultimate anything in Champions Online and this is why I enjoy the game so much. No true champion in this game should ever tell another hero their build is inferior, that it is impossible for them to do this or that... Never trust anyone who says they know everything and who tells you that you know so little.
So for all the newcomers like me to this wonderful game, that's the only message I really wanted to convey, thanks and enjoy the video...
Elle the Ghost Blade Defeats THREE SHADOW COLOSSI alone!
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What I want to know is: How did you get the HP numbers to stay on your/the enemy's bars constantly? I only see them on mouseover.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Gratz tho, you had the skill to see a sub-par tank defeat one shadow collossus. Lot of players cant do that.
The bad parts are:
-You Used devices to make up for selfhealing
-You didnt tank 3 shadow collossus, you tanked 1 while abusing the terrible AI making the other 2 sit by not fighting. Try getting in the middle of them.
This coming from you?
This is why we are having this problem in the first place, me and several others were giving you a hard time in the other topic because that is exactly the behaviour you performed..you should take your own advice to prevent further things like this happening.
People should trust whoever they want to or dont want to, thats not your choice.
Lets remind everyone:
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Part 1:
YOU TOLD A LIE.
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Part 2:
You didnt tank 3, you tanked 1. You could not even stand near all three for a moment at the beginning.
-You tanked 1.
-Devices for the heals you were missing.
-Not 1, but 2 Active Defenses you said you could do without.
I could pick it apart further, but then im judging your build. Your build is good, but it is not an Ultimate Tank, it is just a tank.
All of this could have also been avoided, had you not judged someone and try to tell them theyre wrong when i clearly shown what the build was capableof (literally jumping in the middle of 3 collossus AT ONCE), especially since you said this:
You became influenced by other people of the Snake-hate club. I know who messaged you, and everytime....every....time, they come out with some crap just to spite me, i have tonnes of proof and all kinds of things i can show. So you know, i will continue to prove things, and i will continue to show people 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' the facts.
If im a hypocrite, why am i right?
Ellie the Ghost Blade, is NOT an Ultimate Tank.
You got a fine build, but Snake's build is alot more "durable". Although he does have more healing and defense layering factors, such as Devour Essence and the like ( hatehatehatehate Devour essence!, but you're ok snake! :redface: )
From what I noticed in the vid, you did technically only "tank"...if we could call it that
The difference in the builds is that Snake's build is PURE DEFENSE AND HEALING THREAT AMPLIFYING. His build is built for one thing, to LIVE, and to generate threat through healing, and the CC every .5 seconds on Devour Essence ( HATE HATE HATE DEVOUR ESSENCE! But I like you snake ). What you fail to understand about snake's build, is that untop of the massive healing, and durability stacking, his choices also LOWER THE ATTACK POWER of his targets.
Snake's build is what we call in the essence, "True Tank". It has no damage, at all. It's job is to hold aggro through not damage, but THREAT GENERATION. Again, "True Tank".
Caliga's PRIMUS Database! --XXX--The Caliga Build: Threatening Haymakers! --XXX-- Caliga and Conquer fanart!
The result woulda been the same.
Did you post the wrong video? Because in the video i just watched you were struggling to defeat one Shadow Colossus.
I told you in Snakes tanking thread that you should put your epeen away and just go back to the cupboard under the stairs. If you would of listened to me you might of spared yourself alot of embarrassment, because at the moment you look like abit of a boob!
I knew you wouldnt come up with the goods (A video showing you tanking 3 of the colossi) after i tried to get in a team with you to come watch your efforts and was told you didnt want anyone watching
I've obviously missed that series of builds and responses, but would you mind linking us uninformed plebs?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=208991
If you notice his build, it carries no offensive amplifying measure, in fact, just about all his moves do little damage. His build is solely for threat generating through healing and taunts, and his defensive layering is through stacking absorptions effects while lowering the attack values of his targets.
To sum it up: Snake has designed his build to make his opponent really really really weak, while keeping making his own defenses scale even higher.
If I had to put it in some kind of standardized made up power scale, I'll do it like this, from 1-10.
1 Being a complete joke, energy build weak offensively, or squishier than a wet napkin defensively.
10 Being the absolute, Offensively being able to pump out so much dps that it will out aggro most high end tanks, and defensively being able to withstand massive amounts of damage to the point that blocking is not even necessary for almost all game content, players included.
Offense: 3
Defense: 9
Healing: 9
Threat: 8
Caliga's PRIMUS Database! --XXX--The Caliga Build: Threatening Haymakers! --XXX-- Caliga and Conquer fanart!
My TK Blader uses an offensive passive and form and was in an off-tank setup at the time.
Don't get me wrong: it wasn't pretty and I had to use devices, but with a modicum of static damage reduction and dodge, excellent self-healing and protection, and Fear + Disorient, a single Colossus can be dropped without too much trouble.
I did nearly break my "1" key spamming Ego Weaponry.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
You can get decent dodge/avoid through gear and spec, so taking Defiance makes sense since it gives you a better layer of protection against big hits than Invul does.
Invul works better against weaker enemies, but IDF solves that problem just fine on its own.
Also: no need to rank Defiance, putting a few more points back into your build for other things.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
That's OK, I set out to prove the "impossible" and that really nothing is "ultimate."
I'll never understand why some ppl seek to impose their artificial rules on others. I don't rrecall the TOS forbidding heal stims (wow six in 19 minutes - sploiter!) or active defenses which I advocated all along. Logic seems lacking too. Is it impossible to enter an AP for the first time, defeat a SC, then post it??? And some boast about achievements that they did with devices they decry now -- thats hypocrisy.
For newcomers, the orig. beef was someone claimed the ultimate, u must, ur a noob! I said no, we have alternatives and this is what I proved.
Only one hatin is you. Where am i lieing and spreading information? because so far i have provided (or rather you have) clear evidence you have flat out been lieing so...work it out. Whatever problems you might have with me, need to just go away.
LMFAO, you set out to prove the impossible and yet you only ended up engaging one SC? So that means doing all 3 at the same time is impossible for you, yes?
Put simply, he picked up 600 pounds. You picked up 200 3 times and called it the same thing.
RIP Caine
I posted I JUST killed SC AFTER looking for the AP and entering for the first time. (and of course defeating SC). Apparently either you misread my post or someone fed u misinfo that I claimed to defeat SC before I entered. Go reread my post, theres nothing inconsistent w the timeline. I even made a crappy vid on youtube w trial fraps u can still view it.
As for some idiot claiming i didnt let him watch i never got a tell requesting such n had my chat minimized so i could record. Was I even online???
Hardest part of all this was finding vid software. Finally gave up n bought fraps.
ps i claimed to defeat 3. Snake claimed tanking 3. notice a difference?
I understand your argument and I agree with you in many ways. However, that 10% reduction can be the difference between life and death when you are taking damage in the magnitudes of tens of thousands every few seconds.
Remember, we are talking about a dedicated tank build here. Such a build is designed to do two things:
Survive.
Help the team perform better.
IDF helps the TEAM perform better. Having Compassion or Enrage may increase the tank's personal damage output, but that output in this build is pretty pitiful anyway. IDF helps to protect the other melee and possibly even the support if they are on the midline for the fight. It can eliminate damage that would require either babysitting from the support or the use of damage-reducing self-healing from the DPS. It makes add swarms significantly less threatening to fragile DPS that are AoEing them down.
It's a great addition to any dedicated team and it makes the most sense for the tank to carry it.
Again: I recognize your argument; it's completely valid and you are not wrong. Defiance/IDF is just another way to look at tanking -- one that completely ignores damage output to instead squeak out every iota of survivability and utility that you can pack into a single character.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
I'm sorry, I thought the title of this thread said "Tank". You're right, my reading comprehension does suck. Man, but you're kinda bitter that he got good attention for posting a concise guide, aren't you? Here's a thought. Go make your own, and stop ragging on him for his.
RIP Caine
So what is the point of this thread then? To show that you can kill 3 shadow collosi? To prove you can handle 1? The title says "ULTIMATE TANK", but the video shows tanking one and killing one at a time with no explanation as to why this is considered "ULTIMATE" anything. With the alert update, any tank can do that with a sub par build and decent gear.
Title is "Elle the Ghost Blade is the ULTIMATE TANK!"
The video you have shown only proves one thing, that you are able to kill an SC, one at a time.
Caliga's PRIMUS Database! --XXX--The Caliga Build: Threatening Haymakers! --XXX-- Caliga and Conquer fanart!
Which, really, even a Lifedrain support build can do in the proper gear setup.
Tanking three at a time is a completely different matter.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
No, im not an idiot and yes you were online because i did a search for you. I tried to arrange for just myself to get on your team and watch you attempt to tank 3 (not 1) SC in resistance. I got a tell from somebody we both know who had been trying to arrange this little get together and they said you werent interested in this proposal.
It's a moot point since it's obvious from the video that the build could not tank two Colossi at once, to say nothing of three.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
Defensive combo is just busted...again. Third time now isnt it?
Is it possible to make an Ultimate Tank(tm) to take one of those down on Elite in a party?
No defenses: they blast you for 70k
500% Defense: they STILL blast you for 70k
They seem to respect dodges too, even if they ignore resistance.
17k base, 32k crit
So the game actually has a challenge that requires a party :O!
Problem is will the LR tank be able to maintain aggro especially since it will have to use evasive maneuver to stack Dodge. I am thinking about LR with revitalize Masterful Dodge and piling everything on avoidance. Then again it is quite pointless to kill the terminators. It will take far too long for the XP and Gs rewards. Furthermore we are looking only at the eyebeam. Who knows whether it has a 200k ground slam like the normal mega Ds.
With Gas Pellets, or keeping the healers out of LOS, aggro shouldn't be a problem. It does have a ground slam but I am not sure how much it does. My only experience with it is LOSing it at the guard tower.
But yes, it's mostly a YouTube moment / bragging rights achievement
I am thinking vigilante belt of healing, legion gloves of healing with R9 sentinel brooches and compassion. Anything which can boost triple stacked BCR. Conviction and maybe sentinel aura for extra heals.
Revitalise, protector mastery, legion helmet of speed with 2 R9 impact prism Perma-MD and stacked avoidance from legion breastplate of agility with 2 R5 avoidance core and LR.
Then the next question is how much damage does the ground slam do? If it is in the range of 200k then it will not be possible because with LR as a passive, it is not possible to stack enough con for 20k of HP to take a 10% hit.
Elle Tanks 3 Shadow Colossi
No heal stims, no actives defenses per the artificial "rules." Just four minutes of eating the damage of 3 Shadow Colossi.
If I did use my active defenses, then this exercise would be cake. If Elle had a long ranged AoE power then there would be three dead Shadow Colossi.
Nothing is impossible...
If you're wondering why Elle doesn't get close to the Shadow Colossi its because she isn't built well to handle holds AND the attacks of 3 SC without her active defenses. She has escaped alive from those kind of holds before but luck plays a huge part (plus lag since pressing Block can be a hit or miss situation.
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In loving memory of AngelofCaine.
*facepalms* looong siiiiigh. I dont think you understand at all what it means to tank all 3 at once. Im really...just...overwhelmingly bored with it.
Might make another guide or something to take my mind off the dissappointment.
Why....didnt you say....^^^ THIS ^^^ in the first place, instead of making a fool of yourself.
This is no better than the other video you posted. You dont stand toe-to-toe with 3 SC, you're constantly backing away from them and you nearly get wiped out on numerous occasions. I think you should of just kept your mouth shut and not made silly comments in Snakes thread and then posted some shabby videos showcasing your terrible tanking skills.
Well, we had a real good laugh at your expense in vent but its time to move on, this thread and your poor responses are getting boring now.
Of course, you're also the only one who predicted my next video thats coming hehe. And it will involve active defenses.
But I don't let go of being called a liar. Calling someone a liar is offensive at least in my civilized culture. Being arrogant n a hypocrit I could forget.
You did lie to us. (we quoted you flat out lieing to us, factual evidence)
You have been arrogant (in everyones face about your own tank, and making 2 videos and this whole topic, dunno if it's jeallousy or what)
You have been a hypocrite (barely tanking 1, and not properly tanking 3 collossus)
What are you going to insult us with next? being fair, it's my turn:
You are dellusional.
I might be missing something here, but are you being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic then I invoke Poe's Law on you.
If you aren't being sarcastic then... you aren't tanking. You are surviving, but that's not the same as TANKING. You would not have held threat against a support healer using nothing by Radiance as an attack.
@Tiresias
Tiresias: Celestial/Darkness (Support)
Ravish: Bestial/Might/Unarmed (Tank)
I am going to repeat this in my first post, which you obviously didnt read:
Lets remind everyone FOR A SECOND TIME:
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YOU TOLD A LIE.
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Apply your logic to yourself.
You then made a video about doing 1 when the challenge was 3, but what is clearly stupid about all of this, is that you got puffed up like an angry parrot and wanted to prove something and wave your epeen about, and the rest of us are wondering why...
I dont know what got into you, but youve just embarassed yourself for no good reason or benefit.
I posted I soloed a Shadow Colossus. In English "a" means ONE. And yes it was the first time I entered Resistance. So what? Keep in mind I am probably not in your timezone and likely 8 hrs behind your time zone. (Any lightbulbs yet?) There's nothing remotely untruthful here.
I'll you one last chance to apologize and we forgive and forget. Someone whom he might listen to please explain it to him.
It occured, and came from you, you typed those words into the computer, and put it in your post, and then, i quoted those posts...from you, in the correct order. You are being dellusional again.
You just admitted you lied..again. You blatently told everyone this:
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=208991&page=4 post #33
When you even now just admitted....you hadnt even been in.
Hey everybody! Should i apologize?
I mean my guide was totally to insult your build right? is that what this is about, it was better and you didnt like that?
LOL no I didn't because I didn't realize what a freaking MORON this Dishonest Researcher is. Seriously this dude has no comprehension of timeline. Well there is no helping invalids.
Nothing is Impossible - starring Elle the Ghost Blade
Tanking 3 simultaneously -- while standing still. Shadow Colossus goes down at 2:00, she starts working on the other two.
I think this video will show you there is no ultimate, never was. Lots of powers could have been substituted here, heck I think Cyrone should tank these three with PFF.
I swapped out Pounce for a starter power - Infernal Blast LOL, a little pea shooter. Yes, it stacks poison and despite my melee build this little power got the job done. I probably could have skipped using any active defenses completely if I wasn't so tired and could pay more attention to the mega attacks. Basically if you just spread out the timing of their mega attacks you can handle it pretty well. Their hold power is probably the deadliest, I learned it has a nasty DoT that comes with it that ignores Dodge (but not block) -- avoid that if you can.
Have fun and enjoy your builds.
Tank 3 Shadow Collossi
- using melee powers (those holds are *nasty!* OR
- using only nemesis or q-vendor or equivalent gear OR
- without the use of any of devices
I haven't got the patience to whittle them down with my toon, but did manage this:
[23:17] [Combat (Self)] Shadow Colossus deals 717 (36816) Electrical Damage to you with Shadow Beam.
[23:17] [Combat (Self)] Shadow Colossus deals 812 (41953) Dimensional Damage to you with Crystal Cataclysm.
Mostly blues, could probably work with heirloom gear without too much hassle, but range only. I used the various suggestions on the forums (honest's points on debuff and specs, kaiserin's comments on passives -- I did a LR+IDF combo).
Both of you accomplished some pretty amazing things with this test.
@sturmhaven
YOU...ARE...NOT....TANKING.....THEM...YOU ...ARE...AN.....IDIOT.
You have abused there Ai yet again so they stay at range, and are not recieving their full potential which includes:
A stronger Defensive Combo with Repel
A highly powered gigabolt.
A insta-cast Hold + Skewer ability
All you've managed to do is show how dellusional you are. Everyone knows it, and im done taking insults from someone who does nothing but lie, and is full o ####.
You're the first person i have no choice but to put on kaiserins forum block script. I feel my braincells are dieing whenever i communicate with you and cant get through this wall of Ego/epeen and stupidity. What you've shown is frankly shameful.
You shame the name of Tanking, and seem to think everyone are fools who wont notice the crap going on in your videos.
I see you disabled comments and the ability to rate your video, i see you KNEW that they were going to be negative.