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malvou
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Sweeeeet.
But it's only for 2 days per week? Dang.
But it's only for 2 days per week? Dang.
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I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
The dates are the news, the rest is a recap for those who didn't see that when it was posted quite some time ago. Neither of it is of particular interest to me but your tone doesn't seem appropriate.
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He probably has that tone because both STO and NW are part of the reasons we have lost devs and not got half or even a quarter of the attention we used too. So alot of would like content in forums that involves CO in some way shape or form not a hey go play this game we ignored your game for stuff.
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So when did you say we were getting new ... non store/lockbox based content?
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You must be spoilt, we just got a huge update last week, they added two missions into the game that go together.
So big in fact, i had to personally hunt for a new up-to-date- launcher file to even be able to play again.
(That sarcasm isn't aimed at you btw, just frustrated with the pittance of what they call "content" that we get)
I will try it, though it will mostly kill my computer since i can't even play CO on high settings and other new good games don't even at low settings.
But i have to say, nice try to pull off the last few good CO players to NWN so you can let it bleed out. But i will stay with CO as long it runs.
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I second that! Thanks!
To TrailTurtle: If you're detecting a lot of bitterness there's several underlying reasons for it. The unhappy reception of what is actually good news is because the playerbase is unhappy with the lack of investment of time, money, effort, and advertising (to pull in former CoH players or other new players) from executive management.
To the other posters: Y'all realize how terrible you all sound? I'd be embarassed to show your posts to a newbie. It's like nobody even says thank you anymore. Instead of getting grumpy, why not try to get a refer-a-friend system going? Something that's win-win for all: you, your friend, the whole community, and company revenue.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
The log in issue is today, there's also been a problem with chat cutting out. see thread
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This game needs improvements before a refer-a-friend system would be useful. Currently i'd risk losing friends if i refer them to this.
For people to say "thank you" they generally need a reason. In games something new, quality, relevant to their game of interest and desired generally elicits that response...
As to refer a friend. If people are really as distraught about this game as they appear on these forums why would they refer a game they are unsatisfied with, made by a company that at present is doing very little to move said game forward, to a friend in hopes that said friend will enjoy the game they do not and will spend money on a product they deem as a stagnant and unsatisfying cash grab used to support development of another game?
Short version: Asking for thank yous and referrals from a lot of the people who remain present on this forum to post is asking entirely too much given the content and "tone" of their current postings.
All that said, thanks for the update TT. Good to have a solid date.
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Ill say thankyou, and throw money at them when they deserve it and give us some real content!
3 YEARS since we got a new zone (the only one we ever got and one that was needed to complete the very low content of the launch at that)
In almost 3.5 years we have had 5 aps/comic series, not expansions, not zones, but basically 5 long missions. YES they are great, but thats hardly any content at all for that length of time, and even then we havent even had ANY permenent story content in 14 MONTHS!
I am a long time over the table D&D player, played neverwinter 1 and 2 and the DDO mmo, as such i was really looking forward to neverwinter nights mmo. BUT their complete neglect and lack of support here means i wont even look at it until they get their house in order and show some support! Im not about to put support and invest time and atachment to a game run by a company with so much disregard for its games.
I am not interested in Neverwinter Online based on Cryptic-Studio's track-record and stewardship of Champions-Online.
I spent 199.99 GBP on a lifetime subscription to Champions-Online back at the beginning of August 2009, and three and a half years later there is zero meaningful development happening here and the title is nowhere near where it should be.
I have since spent money at the c-store on many occasion, only to see no apparent re-investment of substance in this my title of choice.
You guys had the foresight to purchase the IP from Herogames, but it appears that this has had the opposite reaction on you all than the fanbase here all hoped it would have.
Without a company like Paramount and it's Star-Trek IP to have to answer to with regard to development timetables and making the most of it's intellectual property, Cryptic-Studios has sat on it's hands with it's 100% owned Champions-Online IP and the resulting lack of content is self evident.
Is Cryptic-Studios so whipped by, and gagged by PWE, that it cannot explain what is going on with this title and it's development?.
Jack Emmert, Why as CEO of Cryptic-Studios have you not addressed this disparity between the amount reinvested back evenly across your portfolio to include Devs and resources reinvested back for Champions-Online.
I don't know if you have enthusiasm burn-out for the superhero genre?, but you haven't even posted to the Champions-Online forums in almost the game's entire lifespan!.
And you expect Champions-Online lifetime subscribers to be interested in your new work when this title is an example of how Cryptic titles end up less than four years down the line?.
As CEO of Cryptic you are key in deciding where the re-investment goes with Cryptic's portfolio, and the Champions-Online community is tired of seeing no development plan, no communication, no results.
Cryptic, PWE. Re-invest back into Champions-Online and then we'll potentially talk more of my money for other Cryptic titles, when you have won back my faith in the company.
But just shoehorning this advertisement for shiny™ into a forum and game that has no dev-communication, no apparent development.... extraordinarily crass-commercialism.
No deal.
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How is it this company is still running?
Never: Fixes old game issues nor adding new interesting content.
Perfect World and Cryptic = money sink
I believe that would be sometime soon after Never.
But if you act NOW you can give $200 to the company for a game that isnt this one in exchange for EXCLUSIVE access to one single fantasy race (or more specifically a background for that race), a mount, animal companion and a lame in-game/forum title "worth" $549! Why wait? You'll be able to get a beta invite for a single friend as well! And think of the significant $549 value your $200 purchase (for less than you've ever been able to get for that amount of money in ANY game from Cryptic or any other company) will bring!
OK, I volunteer.
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But I don't really want to buy it if you are going to stop adding new content, in the game.
Besides it don't say I will get 500 points a month so I want it less now, not that I need it I have 3K right now I will have all of the outfits and travel powers before you add more I bet. But I will save that 3K just in case you want to prove me wrong.
I hope after this game launch you come back here and give us stuff, or hire more people.
I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
you know, i actually get that, and it is one reason I do kind of try to hold back, but its kind of a double edged sword, there is yelling in the void like we usually do, and likely most of that is unread, the fuirst instinct when you actually see one of them is "finally, someone to talk to" unfortunately when the news is less than spectacular that talk tends to take on the appearance of a dogpile.
best i can say is that when the news is good, then it becomes a love-fest, like in coh when dink made the cowboy and steampunk jackets available for women, that was like 20 pages of "i love yous". we just need some better news. still waiting myself to see what of the lemurian event is permanent, it would seem ncsoft-level stupid to invest resources for a temp event given the talk on the forums, but i'll hold off judgement till it happens.
The next release will be a little over a week from now, and will involve a new instanced mission. While I haven't played it myself yet, all the internal playtests have been pretty positive. It should be on PTS soon (if it isn't already).
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HEY!!!
You get a bag too.
Worth it.
I've seen all the news coming from the Lemurian event, and, uh, not quite yet a Paragon lovefest. I guess we'll find out for sure next week.
Seeing what you get for your $199, then hearing them say it's a $549 value, I gotta wonder just how much they're going to charge for things in the store...
Any way you slice it, the prices come out to be pretty outrageous...
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
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I mean, seeing how CO has been handled, it makes the decision to invest in one of Cryptic's (PW's) other games much more difficult for me. I was wildly excited about CO and mildly excited about STO. They have thoroughly invested in developing STO, but alas poor Champions... Well. If I make an investment in NW, will they also make an investment in NW down the road or will it languish like CO? Hard to tell. And since it is so hard to tell, I am afraid I may just wait and see.
Given Foundry on STO and PWE's handling of, well, everything, my interest now is basically 0.
Sigh.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
A small amount of stuff just to give people a little hope (not much hope, but no hope would quickly turn into no money), but nothing else.
I have nothing against the devs that we have, we simply do not have enough devs. This is a PWE thing. Not the devs fault at all.
But really, devs, if you could get rid of the Lemurian crisis queue.... I have had a character trying to get into that for days now, but I have never seen more than one other person queued up, and I keep getting kicked out of the queue, forcing me to go back to MI to re-queue and wait for nothing to happen again.
instead they designed it to be "You get all this if you may this much, or you can pay more, and get something else instead, if you want both, pay for both separately"
That way, if you got the $50 pack, you can buy the $200 pack without feeling like you 'wasted' the initial $50.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
What?
I don't think you understood what i said.
If you buy the $50 pack, you only get that.
If you then decide you want the $200 pack, you don't just pay an extra $150 to cover the difference, you pay the whole $200.
That's a total of $250.
However, if you just outright buy the $200 pack instead. If you still wanted the items in the $50 pack, you still have to buy it, because it wasn't included in the $200 pack.
Someone might wish (for whatever reason) to purchase the $200 pack now; they might then decide at a later date (probably due to encroaching senility) to purchase the $50 pack as well. Or they might buy the $50 pack, then later decide they just love playing that game (remember Anderson's Law) and pick up the bigger pack.
In either case, the initial purchase is not "wasted", because the items purchased in one pack aren't duplicated in the other.
It's actually quite clever as a marketing tactic. (I'm not saying I approve, mind you, merely admiring its cleverness.)
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As was mentioned previously, those must be some pretty expensive items:
http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack/hero
It's not even a LIFETIME SUB. You PAY that much for extra items and early beta access. THAT'S IT.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
There are some of us who don't give a flippin' hoo-ha about NWO. Go to their forums if you're so keen and hyped about it. There are those of us who still want CO to be the main focus of discussion around here, especially when we want things to improve. You want to do your cheerleading for NWO, the forums are that way.
I actually do. And no, I'm not hyped about it. How could you possibly construe that from any post here? If you did, and in fact are not trolling.....you're mistaken. I find what Cryptic is doing with that whole shebang reprehensible. Low. Vile.
And just to point out.....it's been fourteen months since any kind of content was added....they occasionally throw a bugfix out. We've been teased with two missions that take all of five minutes to do. Oh. And more lockboxes. Dig your head out of the sand. This game isn't getting any love now, nor is it likely to. Back burner, we are on.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
My post was directed to the OP.
Would it be too much to ask that whatever NWO makes in profits goes into STO and CO in its first year? Preferably the game that needs it more?
Then I do apologize for the harshness. I was wrong, it seems.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
"The game that needs it more" is going to be "the game that is making PWE the most money".
There is no love here.
CO isn't some long-chased dream of some rich guy that brought it to life by himself and is happy if it just breaks even.
There is a reason why they pulled devs off of this game in the first place.
Thank you for the response, I've been waiting to see the Kraken. I keep laughing at "disguised lemurian sorcerer" . Couldn't they have given them a less obvious name like "normal human, really"
ON the subject of NevermInd Online,I actually applied for Beta before I got Lts since I liked the first game.
Can we have a price check on all the items in the value packs?
Are they actually a subscription or just a bonus access pack since reading through them, no subscription is mentioned.
or is this It's not even a LIFETIME SUB. You PAY that much for extra items and early beta access. THAT'S IT.from clcmercy , correct?
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This was pretty much the first concern in my mind the moment I read about the pack as well. Now its finally out and there's more info about it apparently there's more items being offered by the pack than I originally thought, but I still think its ridiculous to call it a $549 value, and I'm not even sure its "worth" the $199.99 considering that the standard price of an entire game is usually $60.
I know. I've been complaining about the ridiculousness of the Hero of the North pack pricing there as well...
Actually I think that this discussion started in the Lifetime Subscribers - Neverwinter Access thread in the Super News Network section, but trailturtle moved it here when the thread got derailed with complaints. YAY us! \o/
No thanks.
If I wanted that when I was ejected, kicking and screaming, from CoH, I'd have gone to WoW.
Notice that I've NOT gone to WoW.
Please continue noticing as I steadfastly keep NOT going to WoW.
Why am I here instead of WoW?
To be blunt, CO is the (marginally) better of the two remaining options for those who wish to continue playing Superhero MMOs.
Playing a fantasy MMO (and I like fantasy literature and the Forgotten Realms in particular) has all of the appeal of a simultaneous trepanation and gelding with and a dull, rusty knife and no anaesthetic.
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This thread was actually originally a response to Trail Turtles post about lifetime subs here getting access to the Neverwinter beta as a perk for buying the LTS, but he then separated it from the OP and moved it here, closing the OP. That's why this thread starts with a response, so while it may not look related, it is a direct response to a mod announcement.