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We're proud to announce the new Grav Bike Arsenal, including three brand-new Grav Bike vehicles! These fast-flying bikes pack a punch with their default weapons, and they can be customized with vehicle MODs and powers.
Read more in the blog post.
Read more in the blog post.
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Only lockboxes, this is a dish of fail served with waist of time sauce.
I believe that they will be released in the C-store later.
You can believe what you want, but they have yet to anounce such. So until it happens, only Lockboxes.
look at how the hover tanks were released: Day1, drifter store, lock box, AND z store. that what i was expecting
instead the entire community gets another slap to the face that says "buy keys"
*edit* YES im VERY upset about this crud
Yep, a total insult to thier player base, again.
You guys are slipping...
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
"You can't read my mind, because i can't spell it."
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
@ZetBuster
The tooth fairy called and said you need to pay your tooth tax.. feel free to send the check to @JayBezz
Could be where the Black Widow ends up, which means we wont see it for at least two weeks.
Personally the thing I wait for the most is bug fixes, especially for the some very old issues like travel power animations dropping.
I've actually been waiting for them, and yes you're right. This is the last way of getting them that I'd ever want. As a matter of fact, its the worst possible and most unacceptable way of getting them that I'd ever want. I'm beyond disappointed. I live in Las Vegas, I have to put up with lock boxes in real life. I don't like seeing it in the games I'm playing where the only way to achieve something is to gamble for it. I don't see how these lockboxes are ever a good idea with the amount of pure negative response they've gotten from the community from day 1. I mean PURE NEGATIVE, not "I don't like it because it has wings" negative, I'm talking about "GET THIS OUT OF MY GAME" "This is ruining my looting experience" "I'm not buying it" negative.
Providing only 1 method for someone to buy something is never the greatest idea.
Debit, cash, or credit.....
6 pack, 32 liter, 16 oz, 24 pack?
Lottery ticket, Robbery, or Hard Working job <----you can get 1million dollars by the use of any of these, but if the only way to get a million dollars was through Robbery, there'd be MASS CHAOS! Not to mention a bunch of people just not doing it because "It feels wrong"
And playing by myself since Aug 2009
Godtier: Lifetime Subscriber
Continue this road, and soon you will be left with no fanbase.
Which will be fully deserved.
I can live without a grav bike.
Are they at least colorable, or it's again a hard set design, like tanks?
Also stating the odds of winning the top item from the lockboxes would put Cryptic in fraudulent gambling territory as they would rather change those odds as they feel. You purchase a key that does its exact function rather than purchase a lockbox with a set chance to gain the winning item.
It's illegal not to do this in the United States, federal crime.
However, the video gaming industry doesn't have a governing body (like how the FDA tries to ensure food safety standards are enforced, or how OHSA tries to ensure worker safety minimums are enforced).
Additionally game companies, from Electronic Arts, to Valve, to Blizzard, to Perfect World are very VERY careful to use a fiat currency, so they can say you gamble only in a virtual currency and not a real one. It's a legal loophole, and one pretty much every game corporation out there is starting to use in some fashion because like real casinos it's incredibly lucrative.
Is the lucrative gambling unethical?
I say no. You are responsible for your money. Also let's not forget before you all raise the pitchforks: the money from Cosmic Keys might have very well saved this game from CoH's fate. It's profitable with minimal developer effort (how profitable depends on total active player pop.)
Is it wrong that they don't offer alternatives?
No.
Is it stupid?
Hell yes it's stupid!
Why is it stupid?
Because it's pay to win, and the win is not worth the risk.
What DO I find unethical about all this?
1. Odds not being posted and being manipulated in real-time (i.e.: you're best odds are when he patch goes live, every 4 hours after that Cryptic decreases your odds of getting the jackpot until it gets around 1% or less)
2. Top-of-the-line gear can ONLY be gotten via gambling for it. Not by effort. Not by money spend. Not even by skill. Just pure random-**** luck (or lack of). In this instance I'm mainly thinking of Legion Gear. Pay-to-win-via-gambling. It's abhorantly disgustingly pay-to-win in the worst f***ing way possible! Makes the $50 freeform slot look like a clearance sale in comparison!
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
I will not willingly buy bike since they make it one way intentionally. Want me to buy keys for bike? Add other options, the way i work is if it's forced to be one way i will not take that route, ever.
I'd really like a bike, and I'd pay for one, but I'm unwilling to gamble on a random bike (I want a specific one) when I have no sense of the odds.
All options were available day one. As I said before though, I think the Black Widow will be available as the C-Store one, but if it is, we wouldn't get it foe another two weeks.
1. It IS nice to see some communication going again.
2. It IS nice to see something is being worked on over there.
3. It's not what people have been listing consistently as their top priorities. I recall I did one topic asking a poll about what people wanted (by @jasinblaze in the suggestions forum) and another topic asking people for their Christmas wishlist (by me in this forum). Please use search, see for yourselves.
4. Post the odds. It is both the right thing to do and in the long-run also a smart thing to do.
5. Give alternatives. Can't get the latest lockbox or grab-bag goodie because you don't have freakishly good luck? You should be able to direct-buy it and trade it. Get rid of the old "bind on pickup" and "bind to account on equip" for almost everything but a few key items in the game. Let the market flow freely and adjust the powerhouse and auction house fees as needed to keep inflation in check. Sell gold cap increases for Silver players (increases above 250g). Pay attention to market prices of stuff.
6. There are a LOT of critical issues in the game. From imbalanced rarity and prices of various items, to a need for a new zone, to a need for a new adventure pack, to a need to have a once-a-day PvP Questionite daily mission... So many needed things... and bikes?
Gravbikes are cool. I get it. I do.
But the game is in need of some rust cleaning in many of the areas of the game. It makes it hard to recommend friends to play the game when they keep seeing all the unpolished rusty parts getting stuck. What's more is that the community keeps showing it wants and is willing to help, but get ignored so much people start giving up...
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
If you have proof of this you better start talking. Personally, I think you're full of BS on this one, and are making s*** up because you're frustrated that this game is apparently being neglected (like the rest of us).
Where's your proof?
From the topic I created (search "Keys." with my name as the author) the Cryptic employee response what that it was the most profitable thing they've done with Champions Online. Not a few weeks later, Hovertank Lockboxes appeared.
Food for thought:
$0.90 for a key in Champions Online lockboxes gives you MORE and for CHEAPER than a $2.50 key from Valve for TF2 crates.
Maybe the price is right? (still though, they need to post the odds)
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
You guys are always screaming for more content.
Well here it is. You can earn questionite to buy keys.
Your time to complain was back when on alert was on pts.
Myself and many others warned the current state of affairs was going to occur,
But we were dimissed.
This is what the community wanted, make the best of it.
And playing by myself since Aug 2009
Godtier: Lifetime Subscriber
No, it's really, really not. I'm all for a Grav Bike Arsenal lockbox. I hope you sell a brazillion of them. But it's not what I was waiting for. I was waiting to give you money to give me a grav bike. I'll do my part of that when you do yours.
Honestly - I think it's a concept issue. Bikes are smaller and ought to not have as much space to provide weapons and defenses as Tanks, or even Jets. I mean - you're riding on the outside, the armor shouldn't protect you as much, it's smaller than either the Tank or the Jet. I think it makes sense.
I'll be interested to hear reports on what the speed of the bikes is going to be. Conceptually, it shouldn't be as fast as the jets, but should be faster than the tanks. I'm speaking of the un-modified speed of course.
I think the native, un-modded speed of all the vehicles should be, in rising order of speed from slowest to fastest -
- Tanks
- Hoverbikes
- Jets
Of course, I'm going to have to wait for the store versions, as I never gamble for my loot. As has been stated elsewhere, on average, people will wind up paying FAR more for the stuff they get from lockboxes than they will by simply buying them from the store. You might get lucky. But the odds aren't in your favor.
The house always wins.
That's why gambling is often called a "tax on the stupid".
Huh what? You did? You defended and supported the idea of grab bags and the concept of gambling ever since they were introduced into the game. You did nothing to "warn" us about how things would turn out beforehand. Stop being pretentious.
Please go back under whatever bridge you were dwelling beneath. I heard it was located somewhere in Tyria.
WTF? No, just no.
The community has explicity defined content more than once.
And primarily you know what most people have shown, repeatedly & consistently, what they have in mind when they say content?
1. Places to explore (maps, zones, etc.) and things to do (missions, adventures, etc.).
2. Fixing broken existing stuff, polishing.
3. Costume unlocks and other things they can visually customize
This has show up as recently as polls and topics this past December and November of 2012.
I've tried to coin the term "explorable content" when I try to explain this concept, to differentiate more "bells & whistles" from places we can actually go and have something adventureous to explore.
I also repeatedly say that my top two priorities I want to see done are:
1. Bug fixes
2. New explorable content
My personal emphasis on "explorable" to me means places more than things. Many of us by now have some awesome looking, armed & armored characters, all dressed up with nowhere new to go. That needs to change...
Your recounting of history appears as false as your cleverly implied claim that the reason things are going smoothly is the sole fault of the community.
What's your real point here, TheLast? This is starting to spiral off-topic.
Gravbikes, they're finally here. That's a good thing right? Means something is being developed yes? Was is not just a week or two ago a number of us (including myself) were upset we hadn't heard anything at all?
By the way...
Where are all you people who were going "I want my hoverbike" back in September and October? I never cared that much for any of the vehicles, but I recall clearly that many of you wanted them, LOUDLY.
I feel a bit sorry for TrailTurtle here actually.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
I just lost my Zen for Key that dont ever give me at least 1 Bike anbd i try it 10 time!
I hate your new way to take my money....i hate you alll!
You stole me...i want my expecting Bike!
I never give you more money from now, until you stop that and give me my Bike!
We were never told we would be GIVEN bikes. I had hoped for something other than Lockboxes to get one, and we may still get one. Stop being so entitled.
The way the released sucks a great deal, time to move on.
Yep, your lockboxes were competing for my money against your other pay-content, and i bought the other content. I'm thinking i might buy some more zen maybe... and spend it on another hideout for the extra options in decorating the one i just bought, and there's still some costume sets i want to buy.
Sure i thought about opening some for drifter salvage but i got put off that a fair bit by getting random action figures rather than getting them from a list.. but there's at least a week before they turn back up anyways.
I am happy to grind for sure outcomes, happy to spend a fair bit of cash on sure outcomes. I wont be spending it on unsure outcomes. You want my money? Give me sure outcomes to spend it on and you will get it.
While she has been rescued
what diabolical mastermind
was behind the devious brain-napping of
the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
Where is your proof ?
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
should've seen this one coming.
The only reason I bought any lockboxes at all was mostly down to drifter salvage.
Me too.
Me too.
Me too.
However, there is another option, one I plan on using. 150G isn't really that much, and you can usually get a key for that price (though I do expect them to spike for a little while, due to people sharing my idea). I have no problem spending in-game funds on random items. Someone else can pony up the cash for me to "gamble" with - though that term is as inaccurate when applied to lockboxes ss it was when applied to the packs of cards in City of Heroes.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
As a new player from City of Heroes..I am literally gobsmacked at how stupid some of the things going on in CO are..particular this.
I am a silver player atm, and I loathe lockboxes with a burning passive. They are just so obtrusive and annoying, and thrust in your face. I caan't unlock them without paying for keys? WHY give them to me? Give an option to just..ya know..turn the damn things right off.
When we got a kinda sorta similar thing in CoX, it was a Super Pack, that you got in the store, giving 5 random items. ALL of these items where listed, and I recall reading dev notes on the chance rates. I forget if we ever got a specific 'Item X has a 50% rate' but the devs were constantly looking at them, and they got changed after players tried them of the Test server.
Not only that, very soon, we go other ways to get the stuff (the AT recipes, I guess you could call them..similar to legion gear here), and the devs had always said that would be happening.
Also, because stuff was not Account bound (my god, I am sick of everything being bound), from Day 1, you could BUY them on the in game market..for money you earnt by playing..not paying. It did not have to be pay to win.
Anything thing that makes my head ache is how little Dev support there seem to be here..how little talk about things coming, being fixed. I admit maybe I am just mission it..but on the CoX forums..there was a pretty much constant dialogue between what was going on, on test, and the players..with OUR suggestions very very often helping to shape the game.
That's what made me loyal to CoX. This game? Well..I am Silver aren't I?
And then CoX went out of business. That strategy doesn't make money on lockboxes.
No matter how much we whine about this on the forums, people buy keys, a lot, and especially use the drifter salvage for legacy devices and costumes. It is working for CO.
Folks that use the keys and lockboxes don't come here and post about how the were happy about there purchases.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
My money is going to bioware. Sorry.
Try again. (in regular C-store).
CoX didn't go out of business because they ran out of money.
That's the problem, not the solution.
Thx in advance
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
The vehicles are devices and as such are only accesible to the character you were playing when you purchased them. If however you have a shared bank (such as in your hideout), you can transfer the vehicle to another character by placing it in your shared bank and then accessing it from the bank with another character. Other then that, it doesnt unlock for all characters like costumes do.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.