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bjoernr
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Just remove it seriously add focus on adding way more Archetypes into the game.
This should be the first step to a better balanced Champions Online 2.0
I really miss the teamplay and leveling from CoH. A good team help you level faster ... in CO you level faster on your own because most XP you get from finishing quests.
Thanks.
This should be the first step to a better balanced Champions Online 2.0
I really miss the teamplay and leveling from CoH. A good team help you level faster ... in CO you level faster on your own because most XP you get from finishing quests.
Thanks.
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So they get Archetypes in the same worth of 50$.
Champions Online is broken. As an experienced Freeformer you can create Builds
near at Godmode. Why should i join or play in a team if my Hero is a DD/Tank and Healer and im leveling alone much faster?
The whole gameplay is just a mess.
This idea is rly....rly.....REAAAAAAALLY...bad.
Im hoping its a sarcastic topic.
Just no
Freeforms are what really make this game shine...
and no i'm not a power player, i have several gimped freeforms because I love to follow my own silly concepts that more often than not have zero synergy... but i have fun doing that... yeah some of my chars have trouble doing content on normal difficulty... figure that uh?
You could solo in City of Heroes and Villains from level 1 to 50 if you were so inclined. Some of the classes did it better than others, but Scrappers are the prime example of why getting people to team isn't dependent on forcing people to rely on each other. The saying "Four Scrappers on a team should be considered a war crime" only happened because Scrappers teamed up just for the heck of it, in fact due to their self sufficiency they were EASIER to find for teams, it was usually a good Tank or a Defender you had a hard time finding.
Fact is, and I've been beating this dead horse for what, three years now? The lack of teaming in Champions isn't due to people being self sufficient, it's due to a team system that is a complete hassle to work with and actively goes out of its way to hamper your ability to get full XP rewards for teaming. People do team, but it's generally at level cap or for Alerts, and until the aforementioned situation changes that is how it will stay.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Its not.
I am totally serious.
I spend too much Money into the game (all costumes, all travelpowers, Vehicles and almost every Base) but freeform ist just hurting the game.
I got three friends to test CO they all played until the point they duelled with a freeformer.
Every Time the same reaction "Whoa what was that" and after a long "CO is Pay2win" discussion they uninstalled the game.
The selling point of CO was Freeform. Take that away and a majority of players will go to the Secret World or other games.
Worst suggestion in the history of these forums.
If there had never been a COH there would never have been a CO. :cool:
Their lost...
Sure if they want to PvP it is pay to win... but the game is not a PvP fest... the main focus of the game is PvE... and ANYONE can waltz through content on normal, doe snot matter if it is an AT or a freeform.
You just want to cure a headache with a guillotine... sure, it will stop the headache but...
What they need to rebalance is the teaming system.
No more half xp for crossover missions.. in fact you should get XP and resources bonus for doing content while teaming... the larger the team the larger the bonus... You should also get rewards for doing other content as well.. for example doing the nemesis mission of someone else does not net you ANY nemesis token... change that... hell give nem tokens to everyone and even give a % increase if it is a full team...
Just give free form to everyone for free.
Might wanna suggest to your friends that they subscribe then since you get freeform slots for free as a subscriber.
freeform isn't pay2win since you can earn it in game anyway.
i could go on but either you are a troll or not very bright to suggest this.
im sorry you friends didnt feel like stars without learning anything about the game.
In Chinese there is a saying that you cannot cut part of your foot just to fit in the shoes.
Yes, there is huge IMBA between Archetypes and Freeforms (even in PvE, try Aftershock with a Blade and you'll know what I mean), however it's because Archetypes lacks a buff, not Freeform themselves OP.
For your reference, in Beta (as far as I know, before F2P) there isn't archetype, everyone is freeform so yeah.
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In any case, Not. Going. To. Happen. If you don't like it, the door's over there.
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Maybe the reaction of your friends is the real problem. If they can't see beyond a duel against a freeform, and if the game is limited to that for them, they should have left sooner.
Did they play together and/or with you? Did they dueled each other? Or with you?
Is it necessary to remind that the game was only with freeforms before the free to play, before there is any archetype in game???
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I play with freeforms AND archetypes.
And yes, I play with some archetypes characters too.:rolleyes:
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Gold since 2009. Lifetime since May 2012.
I play with freeforms AND archetypes.
What's going to be your next suggestion? To drop the super hero theme and play "Common Office people online"??? Phffttt!!
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You and your friends want to play a MOBA. That's fine. Marvel's working on one in China, maybe it'll come to the states in a few years. 'til then there's always LoL!
Freeform is one of the things I love about Champions Online and at least in part what keeps me here making new characters (even if I have to level them through the same damn content). Without freeform I have very little reason to stick around and probably wouldn't.
I think the only people who "won" here are the rest of us for being rid of people like those duelists.
Archetypes worth $50? There aren't any. Sorry, IMO nearly all of the Archetypes are trash.
Sounds like the OP is just whining because he can't afford a FF slot or a sub. I don't want what I paid for to be taken away because some freeloader got beaten in a duel. Thank you and goodbye.
I advise joining your friends in uninstalling the game and spare us from this future nonsense.
You must be genuinely having a laugh, or just looking for a discussion. As a player who played AT's from since when CO went F2P and then suddenly I went LTS and as a Silver player I am pretty sure I spent over ?300 on stuff whilst I was silver I had all bar 3 of the AT's unlocked in addition to numerous hideouts.
Why the hell would people subscribe just have have the game's selling point removed?
You misunderstand the term Archetypes in CO when compared to CoH. From what I remember from my days in CoH, Archetypes were Powersets which were predetermined by role, Blaster, Scrapper, Defender etc.
Inferno AT is an example of what Archetype means in CO. If you are suggesting CO become CoH...no thanks. In some aspects such as expanse of powersets and foundry, yes please.
But seriously FF allows for concept builds to be made, free of choice. E.g. Fire wielding Archer with mastery over earth powers..
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In before the OP fights back I'll just point it out that it seems the OP is a Lifetime Member.
which make this thread...weirder.
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Umm, no. Feel free to play one of the several other MMO's out there that offer this balanced type of character "creation".
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And I'll be honest, when it comes to asking for 'more for free' we're heading in the wrong direction.
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And OP wants to change that to, "Be the hero I want you to be, so I can beat you up."
Um, no.
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You have issues with freeform? Ask, test, change what you don't like.. The powerhouses have battle stations (and dummies) in case you haven't noticed, and you can un-do a power selection freely if you stay there.. That means you'll end up with what you like eventually, and with what feels right for your character.. It's just, that, simple! :cool:
You simply want CO to drop it's strong point, and become something people refer to as "Yet another MMO".. I sense rage in you, Padawan, from the loss of CoX.. I say sit back, and calm down..
Holy Trinity in CO? No thank you.. Not in a million years..
Erm....... With a single teammate you get an additional 25% bonus on XP, and the bonus goes higher with additional ones......? So unless they changed that very recently, i would say that you've avoided teaming so far, or never paid attention to the mouseovers..
Don't blame freeform for the lack of teaming.. Blame Alerts.. However, i have a solution to this : Simply join the "CoX" channel.. People there are always looking for teammates, and teams are formed for almost everything the game has to offer.. Another solution? Join an SG..
Sounds interesting, doesn't it?
Remove Archetypes
Give "Limited Freeform" to silvers (some of the powersets that already have Free AT, like Fire, Ice Munitions minus dual guns, Might minus Giant weapons, Telepathy, Celestial, etc,etc)
And let them buy the remaining powersets and future ones.
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You might wanna inform your friends that Champs is "Pay2win"... at duels. And that is pretty darn well insignificant.
If you're into PvP and you're an Archetype, try restricted PvP. If you like to duel, duel other Archetypes (right click - Show Info, tells you which Archetype the character is).
No other aspect of the game (that is, PvE) is Pay to Win. You can solo most of the whole game, with any Archetype. You can win alerts, you can beat Adventure Packs/Comic Series.
Uninstalling the game because you lost a duel? Had everything they done up until that point when they dueled become invalidated because they lost a duel? Were they having fun before the duel?
Freeform isn't hurting the game. I have over 70 characters and not one of them is a super overpowered build. They're all stupid concept characters. I don't think I'd have stuck around with this game for over three years if all we had were Archetypes.
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"Limited Freeform", using powers that you own from the AT you have, sounds okay, if the price is low or free. :biggrin:
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I had 23 level 50s in CoH before the lights went out. I leveled all of them from 1 to 50 solo unless running TFs or SFs. I teamed in CoH because I wanted to, not because I had to. CO is no different. I still team with friends and SG mates because it's fun to do so.
If I'm forced to team up, then I'll find another game where I'm not forced into teaming.
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This is simply another instance of a long string of stupid, suggested by him. It wasn't all that long ago he suggested making CO a shooter like Mass Effect
Its simply best to ignore and move on. Some folks are immune to reason and logic
I'm really tired of alot of silver players(not all) using freeform like a cuss word. I understand everyone has different amounts of money they can use for games but don't be made at someone else for having the full game instead of buying a trial (AT). If you dont understand freeform rather it be how to use it or how it works in general just ask someone.
Too many people rage in game or make forum posts instead of just asking for help.No one in any game starts out an expert we all have to learn the game ether through playing or getting advice and sometimes both. Freeform can be frustrating cause if you want to push your builds it takes alot of meta gaming and math.
Part of the draw of champions is freeform and the ability to mix and match all the powers in the game to make your very own hero. Customization is one of the things that sets champions apart from other mmo's so why take some of that away? Subscriber and lifetimers have already had too many blows given to us with f2p and getting less and less for our money taking away freeform would be the last straw.
If you need help try ether CO Arena or CoPvP they can be very helpful.
That's not how it works. Giving people $50 worth of archetypes doesn't negate the fact it would be wrong, and invalidate any attempt at a lawsuit.
It's like being a car dealership, you don't just sell someone a very expensive car worth 1 million, then later take it back and give them $1million worth of cars they never even bought or wanted, and expect not to be sued for such stupid behaviour.
If they buy one car, clearly that's what they wanted, and have a right to expect to keep it without it suddenly being taken and turned into several cheaper cars to make up for the same value. What the hell will you do with so many cars?