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lohr01
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Alerts are nice, but we haven't gotten any in a while and they don't replace actual hardcore content.
People have been doing to the same areas and doing the same missions for close to three years.
When are we getting new missions (not a revamped tutorial or westside intro) that delve into new stories. When are we getting new areas, factions and villains to fight. When are we getting new story arcs. The Champions IP is full and rich of ideas and things to use, when will you use it? What about more lairs and higher level content?
What do we as consumers and players need to do to get you to spend time on content?
When will you find a consistent delivery method (Adventure Packs -> Comic Series -> Alerts)?
Inquiring minds really want to know.
People have been doing to the same areas and doing the same missions for close to three years.
When are we getting new missions (not a revamped tutorial or westside intro) that delve into new stories. When are we getting new areas, factions and villains to fight. When are we getting new story arcs. The Champions IP is full and rich of ideas and things to use, when will you use it? What about more lairs and higher level content?
What do we as consumers and players need to do to get you to spend time on content?
When will you find a consistent delivery method (Adventure Packs -> Comic Series -> Alerts)?
Inquiring minds really want to know.
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And playing by myself since Aug 2009
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I agree. While the vehicles are nice, they're not by any means new content really. They are IMO seeming more and more to have been a huge waste of resources that could of been used to make a whole new zone, or at least a few new AP's.
People will only travel the same path so many times before they quit playing completely. Being able to take a hovertank though that path doesn't mean it's a new path.
Any new introductions of factions, villains and story are likely to be new 2 minute alerts or events like Nighthawk, with the rare 15 minute gravitar or carrier defense.
Nighthawk's back everybody!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaand the end.
Oh No!! GRAVITAR!!!!!
done, and done.
Infinitely replayable, much easier than zones or missions.
I honestly don't think our Dev team has the resources to produce actual content. They haven't for a long while.
Edit to add: but they are busting their asses to provide what they are providing. It's two dudes working hard making it look like 20 dudes dicking around.
Then quite frankly CO is doomed, and will be shut down in 6 months. I quite simply can not see this game going for another 6 months and being able to turn a profit if they don't add in something other then alerts or events.
Vehicle alerts/events won't cut it.
Nighthawk type events won't cut it either.
How hard the two guys are busting their backsides quite simply doesn't matter. Unless PWE starts shifting some resources towards CO content, like they have produced in STO, this game will quite simply die.
I doubt it. CO will probably be alive for a very long time. On life support mind you, but alive. No matter how low its player population, or narrow its profits, it will sadly survive.
I mean, STO already has it, Neverwinter will have it definitely,
so why not CO? That would at least give us something to do,
and it's definitely worth all the hard work that goes into it, much more than
all these mini-events, some of which just disappear forever after they're done.
And eating the same meal again and again isn't more fun if you suddenly use a spoon instead of a fork.
So yeah, new content please, instead of new gimmicks.
In the end I see vehicles as just another become-device, and I'd rather play my own character instead.
I seem to recall some friends of mine saying the same thing about Cox.
As for the foundry. I believe the dev's said at one time that the base code had to be changed or refactored to accommodate the foundry. I also seem to remember them saying that after Neverwinter they would look into doing that...or maybe it was STO. It's been a while so I might be off by a wee bit.
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Last word was that they could put the Foundry in tomorrow and it would work, it just wouldn't work well because they still need to catalogue all the doors, clickies, maps and NPCs for it as well as set up a new interface and stuff like that.
Right now unfortunately, with the exception of the two working on STO, all the foundry development team are gearing up for Neverwinter's release. Earliest we'll see the Foundry is 2 - 6 months following Neverwinter.
Also people are saying that WoW is on life support (oh noes, Blizz are only reporting 10 million players now)
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This is the (lost count) time we've had this thread, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
And CoX has had an incredibly long life as well, so now you just portrait yourself as a troll.
Unless PWE pulls a NCSofter and pulls the plug on Cryptic then CO isn't going anywhere. 6 months? Don't make me laugh. People has cried doom for this game every month. I grow weary of this bull.
This game has plenty of content and replayability. I too have had breaks, but no more than a month or two before I have returned and have had months of fun all over again.l
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And: I completely agree with the general consensus of this thread, and have for a long time. To quote another person in this thread that summed up everything quite well:
To take that metaphor even further regarding the Foundry, if you're not going to serve us a new meal anytime soon, at least let us cook for ourselves :P
Just gotta say, I love this quote. Not sure how accurate it really is, but this is how it feels.
What replayability? I enjoy alts as much as most people here do, but I can only do westside so many times before I give up on the game completely.
Alerts are not a suitable alternative to a path from 1-20.
Oh ho, that's very encouraging to hear. The best shot in the arm the game can get is getting the Foundry.
I disagree. If that was the case we'd have been shut down long ago. The thing is I think we've maintained a certain equilibrium where just enough people are buying crap from the C-store (Keys anyone? I just bought 5 Hawkwings on Friday, myself) to continue adding to the game at a steady, but limited pace.
I doubt it will. Our code is too outdated, and the gap increases consistently. A year ago we needed a solid year devoted to the Foundry to be able to port it, a year from now the code base will have continued to mature, including the Foundry and any updates/variables from NW. Even assuming the gap didn't grow, and could be cut in half by magic or more people, that would still require a team didcated to what is essentially a side project far down the list of priorities for 6 months. I have no basis for all of this besides vague recollection and less than rudimentary understanding, but since we're struggling for stuff as it is, it's not looking good.
Actually, at this point, given the spec system, mod system, vehicle system, alert system, and a bunch of other crap I can't think of right now, we may have a better chance of getting something if ManCrush and Co. just created a Foundry from scratch.
But then half the people would be pissed about the numbers being rubbish, too many parts being sold in the Z-store, and it would somehow be further unfair for PvP, and the other half would deem their Gold/LT Subs worthless because now Cryptic isn't even creating content, but making players do it themselves.
And I would buy 5 more Hawkwings.
You have to ve kidding right? This game launched with very little content and has had hardly any added in 3 years.
Every other mmo ive played (and ive been playing for 11 years) has LAUNCHED with more content than this game still has now, and they all had regular updates/new content.
Take Cox as an example, launched with more content, had regular new free content and by time it was 3 years old launched an expansion that DOUBLED the content.
EQ as another example (ok different times larger player base but still) Expansions 2-3 times a year each with more content than this game has in total! That games still going as far as i know, i left after 8 years regular play still having not maxed 1 chr (the only 1 i played) or seeing all content!
Compare that to here, i can max a chr in 3 days without trying and you could play all content in a month.
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We were updated to the latest branch code with On Alert IIRC so we're running off the same code base as STO.
Now put it down to memory but I don't recall any dev giving a timeframe for the Foundry of a year of just working on it to get it ingame, currently the only thing the Foundry in CO would need over STO is a fully functional costume designer.
You missed his sarcasm it seems.
As did you.
(Okay, dissecting the joke, since so many missed it: The Matrix: Revolution featured a pivotal character, one not even hinted at in previous iterations, called the Architect. Finn was making a Matrix joke about Reloaded/Revolution, I tied it in with a geeky gag about the Architect/Foundry, and y'all thought we were being serious...) :rolleyes:
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My memory is likely fairly murky about this, so if someone has an actual quote, then that would be awesome, but iirc, Robobo had given this number at several points last year when asked about it, though I believe he intended that more as a vague estimate. I should also point out that on other occasions, I am moderately certain he had also posted guestimates along the lines of six months and likely others I don't even sorta remember.
Take it with a grain of salt and call this merely a rumor, though, as I do not have hard data to check right now, and I'm far too lazy at the moment to search it myself.
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Would people rather we didnt have more stuff?
The game doesnt make as much as STO so doesnt warrant the same level of content.
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I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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Although there is no forum quote to link for this nor would I be able to find it in the mess that is the "New Forums" if it did exist...I was in a conversation with a dev in Ren Center(name left out to keep them out of trouble) and they said they did some ballparking on the Foundry and came up with this...
1. It would take 6-8 weeks of nothing but Foundry work to get it into CO.
2. Due to point 1, the profit margin isn't there....so it's not even remotely a priority for the higher ups.
3. They do not want to touch the Foundry in CO or STO until the NWNO Foundry is up and running because it's a new version(think Foundry 2.0). Putting in Foundry 1 and then releasing Foundry 2 would be twice the work/hassle.
4. Conclusion: Maybe in 2014....maybe.
Now since I cannot back up my post in the least and have chosen to omit names you have 2 options. Believe me or don't believe me. I, personally, wish that since they have no intention of the CO Foundry in the future that they would just come straight out and say,"NO," so we could have a good cry, accept, and move onto the next whatever....like they did with Zero Point Advantages. :biggrin:
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Dear Cryptic, by asking for "content" what we are really asking for is;
What this also means is stop;
If I forgot anything I appologize, it is early for me and I have an interview in a half hour. You know it is funny, my hard drive crashed and now I have to reinstall CO to play, but in this short time I've been away from the game I find myself questioning whether or not I want to get back into the Questionite grind and replaying the same missions I've been playing for the last 3 years.
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Yes, Westside has been revamped but that's the first hour or two of gameplay. One of the lower end areas in the desert has had some cosmetic work, but for the most part all the missions are still the same. (The final mission in the area changed with the revamp - woo) Canada has barely been touched since launch - and it really needs to be touched up. (Ok, I've always thought Canada was a little touched but that's a different subject altogether.) I rarely even look at the open missions any more since they are broken for months at a time with no comment from the devs about whether they will ever be fixed and even when they are reported as being fixed, they typically are not.
From what I have been seeing, this game isn't even in "maintenance mode" since even in maintenance mode, bugs are typically fixed even if no new content is added. To be honest, I think a period of "maintenance mode" would be good for this game. Shelve the new stuff for a while and iron out the kinks in what is already in game. Every department would still have plenty to do since there are bugs in every conceivable aspect of this game, from UI to costumes, to environments, to missions and everything else.
Then, after ironing out a large portion of the bugs return to work on new stuff but keep bugs as first priority at all times. I think your remaining player base (those you haven't chased away with the lockboxes) would probably thank you for it.
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If you want my money, there is a fairly simple way to get it since I am fairly free with how I spend it. First, produce something I consider to be worth buying. Second, offer it up for sale. Don't lock it behind a gambling scam. If I want something, I am perfectly happy to pay for it. But I will not purchase a CHANCE to get it, When I pay money, I have a perfectly logical right to expect to get what I want.
/signed. But, it does not look this will happen any time soon. And it has reached the point for me, as a gold subscriber since Beta, that I do not want to subscribe anymore or play-4-free, even though I love the game. I would love to make new Alts and perhaps drive vehicles, but I do not want to repeat the same missions yet, yet--did I say yet?--again. Westside one more time? SHUDDER. I was giving them until the end of the year. Well,almost here.
Don't forget costume pieces.
And when I mean costume pieces I don't mean transformation powers.
As far as I'm concerned, vehicles were a good idea that was poorly implemented. So, yes, I'd rather they weren't in the game.
Yes, CO has limited dev resources. Would I rather they were putting their time into mission and event content, as opposed to vehicles and lock boxes? Yes.
Not that my likes and dislikes matter to anyone.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
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Do you think that lockboxes and grab bags qualify as content then ?
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Whoops and I love costume pieces too. I was trying to focus on playable stuff like missions and the like.
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Shut up for a while.
Not you, that's my answer to the question.
This whole vehicle sidetrack thing? That's the players' fault. Wouldn't shut up about their werewolves riding motorcycles.
And in any normal situation, those friends are absolutely right. There is no logical reason for the CoX shutdown. It was still making money.
/barelyheldstraightface
See, the time frame keeps getting shorter, and that makes me happy, because going a year without word is unrealistic, going 6 months like BlueDarky's high estimate is just hard, but 6-8 weeks is a cakewalk that almost everybody* would be totally ok with if it meant Foundry.
We pretty much already go 6-8 weeks without something of depth or substance, nobody would even notice, and if anyone said "hey... we haven't heard anything about blah blah" they can just switch on Bloodmoon and call it a month. And that's even after a solid month of just not saying anything to anybody about anything.
If the NW Foundry is the holdup, I'm ok with sitting tight, letting them do their thing, then about a month after NW comes out giving up 6-8 weeks of CO expectations.
I'm actually a little hopeful now.
.......damn you guys. It'll just sting that much more in the end...
*on the forums.
It could be that for 90% of my characters vehicles just aren't appropriate and for those that they would suit the bike is far more fitting than than the "inspired by" star wars tank. i think maybe its the fact that there just not very superheroy in looks they don't evoke the idea of my heroes very own custom batmobile like car, But rather something mass produced.
Uh, yeah it did.
Did you forget that period of months where we got new stuff every single week?
Until their next big project is unveiled and the cycle starts anew.
Oh, no, I don't believe in Dev Love, I believe in the code being available.
I haven't been here as long as some people, and I do enjoy making Alts, but I am getting tired of doing the same missions over and over again. Especially Westside and Alerts. It would be nice to have new/different missions. Especially another "starter" area/arc and a new End Game Zone (the Moon!). In fact, while I like the recent Westside revamp, I'm really disappointed that I can't level my new toons through the Desert and Canada anymore. Being forced to wait for those until L15 is lame.
Anyway, yes. Please make more things to do. Things to "have" (like vehicles, power sets, costumes, etc.) are all well and nice. But if there's nothing to do with them, then I don't buy/particiapate with them.
It's funny, that I've stopped playing STO for these very reasons. ...Two years replaying all the old stuff a dozen times and I got burned out. Now, since STO went F2P, it's all about repacking the same content over-and-over (STFs), new ships, new lockboxes, and/or coming out with very grindy systems, but not actually releasing many new missions or zones. (Note that a new zone comes out in the next week or 2, but it's grindfest city...)
Ultimately I think Cryptic just isn't the kind of game manufacturer to want/be able to continually add story missions to either game. >sigh< It's a shame, really.
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When XP earnings during a Double-XP Weekend still feel like I'm underperforming,
there's something terribly wrong with the reward system...
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I know that I've already lost interest in vehicles. What i wouldn't give for actual CONTENT, you know, things to actually DO, instead of new things to do the same old stuff with.
I actually enjoy alerts. They are something nice to do when I have five or ten minutes to kill and don't want to get into an actual story. But I want an actual story to get into. I don't think that it is too much to ask that if they aren't going to give us actual stories to get into that they allow us to make our own.
So there it is, either spend your development time on new story driven content or spend your development time on getting us the tools to make new story driven content.
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If you want my money, there is a fairly simple way to get it since I am fairly free with how I spend it. First, produce something I consider to be worth buying. Second, offer it up for sale. Don't lock it behind a gambling scam. If I want something, I am perfectly happy to pay for it. But I will not purchase a CHANCE to get it, When I pay money, I have a perfectly logical right to expect to get what I want.
Yes its still content we may hate them but its still extra stuff. Content is actual things put into the game for good or for bad.
We cant say CO hasnt been getting content it has just not the content we've been wanting.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
And Nemeses, and Comic Series, and Adventure Packs, and PvP, and Crafting, and Open Missions, and Perks, and Cosmic Hunting, and the power system (at least 50% of the powers are throw aways.)
The amount of half-assed systems are starting to add up :rolleyes:
I am still addicted to this game though.:redface: