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The first preview for our Vehicle system -- plus the UNTIL skycarrier defense mission -- is posted now.
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The vehicles look pretty cool, will they have the fully customizable set-ups like previously talked about?
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The hover bike looks like an over sized hover bike from Star Wars Episode 6.
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1 x shell into the Undead hero and every zombie in 50ft goes blammo, which surely helps coz I depend on green glowies for health. I have a nasty feeling that the heavy Hovertank will not work so well on the level 60 Mega Destroids or Gravitar but we shall see.
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The tank turret to rotate keeping track of the target.
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Quite a few bosses are immune to knockback, so that's not much of an issue on bosses but when it doesn't outright kill something, it knocks the mob away a very...very long distance. If it was Knock Up instead of Knock Back...that would be much better, of course not 200+ feet maybe around 40-100.
The Heavy Cannon attack has a 75ft sphere radius, but I'd like to know if it has a max target amount, I've seen it hit over 10 mobs at once...
Speaking of Hover Tanks...Incendiary Round is ridiculous with an energy circle, I was able to kill an Undead Hero within a minute, since it's DoT stacks to 10.
So far, it seems Tanks will be burst/DoT DPS, the Bikes, not sure, their one power deals more damage the more you use it, then the damage bonus resets, and then you can repeat, the final power is nice, but havn't use it on a boss yet to see how good DPS wise it is to have that 20 second recharge, the Support Bike...Eh..
Also, I don't see the damage resistance debuff working from the mods or powers from the new vehicles.
However, they suffer from the same drawbacks as do all transform devices (with the sole exception of the Black Talon).
Which is the ability to self-heal!
One of the hoverbikes was getting the stuffing kicked out of it by a lone Sovereign Sons.
And there was nothing I could do but get out of battle and return later when the bike had healed up.
If that's what a lone ground enemy could do to it, I shudder to think what enemy vehicle npcs can do to them!
A vehicle is supposed to be made of armored metal, so ground npcs should barely be able to scratch it!
The only practical vehicle transform is the pilotable Megadestroid in Resistance.
It has a Self-Repair function and a Block Shield.
Which the vehicles should have if they are to be in any way practical.
Otherwise, they're just fun toys like all the other transform devices.
Also, the Boost Power should be moved out of the Block Slot.
At first glance, when I saw it, I thought it was a shield power, not a movement power.
It's confusing putting it there.
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1/ Can the mission be done with characters that wouldn't use vehicles?
2/ If characters can't do the vehicle missions will gold players get a free vehicle like hideouts?
3/Do you think it's a good idea to restrict content behind vehicle purchase?
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1) Yes. As long as you can Fly somehow anyway. Although Swinging would not be fun at all.
2) As currently planned on PTS, yes (although as of right now, it doesn't work). There's vehicles to grab for the Alert or you can just shoot off under your own power (or vehicle if you have one already).
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> We know that hover disc allows you to use all your powers. How about creating, as an option, a suped-up rocket board, which works exactly like hover disc, except it has speed comparable to these vehicles?
> In addition to the above, add a suped-up jetpack version (it can add a larger jetpack geo onto our character's backs).
> Add a "flight rune" option which would be like the suped-up hover disc, except you'd be standing on a magical rune/circle thingy...
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If content starts to require vehicles or if vehicles become OP to the point that going in without one makes you a liability to your team, then this game will be headed down that "pay to win" road IMO. To not offer some sort of equivalent vehicle option for those who pay a sub (or lifers) then I fear CO will be headed in the bad direction STO went.
I feel that the vehicles should only have one of each as blank slates and just give us the powers as gear to customize them as we please. This would make the 4 vehicles only two since there is nothing visually different from them. What gear/powers we put on them determines if they are fast attack, heavy or support.
This would be a great way to go about it: The base vehicle only has the 1st attack and the reload power. The "device" would then have X other power mod slots and appearance mod slots.
Of course, there'd have to be some check to make sure you couldn't slot multiple of the same power mod. Perhaps the device could also have a passive and block replacer mod slot...
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Public Hero Transport.
I have seen bus stops around MC, so let's use them! Sure I'll get weird looks from other passengers when I keep dinging the stop button to get off and stop a crime or then again could be due to me, stripping down and getting into my flashy gear and leaping out of the window when the driver wont co-operate, but it's cheap!
And let us have a "TAXI!! " emote that whistles and curse's them when they just drive on by.
Give it a chance, it would work! After a while......
Then came the Mega Destroid. After closing, trading shots, and falling back, I'd figured out the trick: I just sat at my max range of 250', where I was out of HIS range, fired incendiaries, reloaded, fired incendiaries... lather, rinse, repeat. It took almost the entire 30 minutes, but I did manage to defeat the Mega D. Solo. At level 30. Had I done this right from the get-go, I could have done the entire open mission without ever taking a single hit from the enemy.
I love the idea of vehicles and being able to cross the full map in a matter of seconds. But making them battle-stations? Notsomuch. If I can solo a level 28 Open Mission and defeat the Mega Destroid completely on my own without taking damage, that is SERIOUSLY broken.
Personally, I think that vehicles should be for transport ONLY. Otherwise, you'll start an arms-race where players without vehicles simply cannot compete with characters that DO have them. And if they remain this powerful, everyone who has a vehicle will never NOT use it when on an outdoor map.
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all i did was point out that they were a little too close to the speeder bike and the droid AAT from star wars and that they should have done something a little more original as to not open themselves up to a lawsuit.
I'm still really curious to see what the next wave of vehicles out on the PTS are right now though. Has any one seen them?
Personally, my concern is that they don't really look like superhero vehicles at all. I really don't like the direction they're taking at all on this. I can easily see the Nighthawk Jet being used in comics by a superhero, but not these new ones.
The thing about superhero vehicles in the genre is that they are, on the whole, very stylized machines that match the hero's colours/name/emblem.
Examples of what I'm talking about are: Blue Beetle's Bug...http://s1065.photobucket.com/albums/u384/theblackmantis/Vehicles/?action=view¤t=BlueBeetlesBug.jpg
Moon Knight's Moon-Copter...http://s1065.photobucket.com/albums/u384/theblackmantis/Vehicles/?action=view¤t=MoonKnightsMoon-copter.jpg
Night-Owl's Owl-Ship(Archie)...http://s1065.photobucket.com/albums/u384/theblackmantis/Vehicles/?action=view¤t=Night-OwlsOwl-ShipArchie.jpg
Robin's Redbird...http://s1065.photobucket.com/albums/u384/theblackmantis/Vehicles/?action=view¤t=RobinsRedbird.jpg
Or any of Batman's vehicles from the comics
Now, I'm not a developer, but I imagine that this type of customisation would be extremely difficult to do. However, in my opinion, I believe that this is the direction that a "superhero MMO" should be taking if they are implementing a vehicle system. Not these vehicles from a galaxy far, far away.
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I also think that the focus on vehicles as battle-platforms is all wrong. Yes, for some concepts, it works. However, there should be some vehicles where they are just a non-combat travel power.
As for customization, if they allow for things like adding emblems and/or changing colors, that will be a big help.
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VIPER hover tanks
VIPER hover transports
Conventional Abrams tanks in VIPER bases
UNTIL/VIPER conventional all-terrain cars
All art deco cars cruising across Millenium City
All classic cars from Vibora Bay
Kodiac monster truck
VIPER hoverbike
Cobra Lords chopper bikes
Art deco bike from vigilante's basement hideout
Qlarr bioships
Gadroon and Roi'nesh ships
Lemurian submarines
So many great vehicle models are already in game, so why do you guys are insisting on making cheap Star Wars ripp-offs, not even remotely suited to this game and genre?
Nighthawk jets are nicely done, but this new hover tank? Not even remotely interesting and I don't want to know how this new hover bike looks.
What this game needs is more "ordinary" vehicles for street level heroes and more classic stylised superhero vehicles.
Also, japanese sentai shows are great inspiration for exaggerated superhero vehicles.
Not to mention all vehicles from G.I.Joe series, or vehicle alternate modes from old Transformers cartoons and comic books.
Exactly!
I have lost count how many times I have entered a viper base and said to myself "that vehicle would work well with one or more of my characters".
I am still waiting for a vehicle that works like the "Bat Tumbler", there's already a few vehicle models in game that'll fit the part (a black version of the Viper Humvee for example), more of that and less Star Wars please.
Perhaps, while we're getting vehicles, there can be a vendor near that spinning car show thing you can spot during the tutorial and later in that region of Millenium City, who lets you purchase a Vanity Vehicle (because Aliteration is Always A-okay!) which can be activated in a region classified as Outdoors and it gives you basic manuverability and maybe a Shift-speedboost/jump (depends what kind of vehicle it is really. Land-ones might justifiably need a mixture, while airborne vehicles just need a speedboost, while water-based (I am probably the only person who loved Lemuria.
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sorry i got side tracked. Things get weird in lemuria visually, so having vehicles with a specific underwater mode would be great. Speeder bikes and AATs might not work so well underwater.
As for the first part, yeah i agree that we need some normal vehicles as well a non lethal or just for travel. Not everyone is playing the unleashed AT, or the type of character that would be flying a vehicle armed to the teeth with missiles.
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That being said, there is also a vocal contingent of people who, during the planning stages, did NOT want the Vehicles to be fancy Travel Powers (and one person who apparently disapproved of the concept in its entirety, maintaining that Vehicles would turn everyone into Knight Rider, and that Michael Knight wasn't really a superhero). So basically no matter what's done, somebody's going to be unhappy. Personally, I'm hoping to be in the "happy" group, but if not, I'm prepared to accept it philosophically (and only use a Vehicle when I must)...
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not keep working on yet more costumes/travel powers/events we need more CONTENT!
They have added just 1 zone in 3 years (vibora bay) and that itslef was almost 3 years ago (4 months after release)
The adventure packs and comic series are good new content, but thats very little. Most games have at least 1 big expansion by this time that significantly increases content (like coh had cov that doubled it, then going rogue that added another like amount)
Look at for instance everquest, they started with more content than here and have steadily added several zones every few months for 10 years! (yes this game doesnt have the numbers but big difference between an expansion every few months and none - and virtually no content added at all - in 3 years!)
Its not like they dont have devs working on things, but they are constantly working on new shinies and not content! enough already!!
I would have to agree. Shinies distract in the short term, but after a constant diet of shinies, people tend to lose interest. Solid, enduring, in-depth content is what is desperately needed to fend off the rush of new MMO's that contend for your subscriber's attentions.
Now, if you have good and valid reasons for no solid content right now, let us know! We're not unreasonable people! We love CO! We want an excuse to stay! Don't insult our intelligence by waving shinies at us any more though. Give us hope for the future....because right now, I guarantee you....most of your loyal fan base can't see the light at the end of this dark tunnel.
That being said, the vehicles are cool, but definitely need to be more than a become, because of the vehicles (both on PTS and Live) that I have tried, they all fall short of usefulness beyond a fast travel power. Don't get me wrong, a nifty vehicle travel power is pretty cool, and I won't object if its just that.... (visions of leaping from a speeding hoverbike with my guns blazing just gives me shivers)... but if you're going to make them more please make them as customizable as powersets. Let the gadgeteers rejoice with something to tinker with!
Oh and one more thing....quality voice actors. That guy who does Dr. Destroyer...he's tops. Need to improve on the rest though.
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This is EXACTLY what is needed! We don't need complicated reprograming (it's not rocket science people) just a simple soloution to the problem. If the game has an existing mechanic modify it and use it. As for the type of vehicles there have been roughly equal calls for both combat and non-combat vehicles so GIVE US BOTH! Take the easiest to make one and impliment it first then do the harder. Bish-Bash-Bosh and you're selling powers before you know it.
Also please can you explain what you going to do with the old jets will you shoot down the price hardly or will you just remove them?..it will be nice if you cloud make them free same as the Vehicles.
And if this Vehicle System is not free and just some payed thing, then I really think you will drive away a lot of your fans you have already done that by making the Z store even more priced.
(( Unless your gold and you somehow get to have your own Vehicle before slivers do like the powers and the choice of beening able to have a Nemesis before slivers ))
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