You are getting prize and purse confused. The prize of a CC is recognition from your peers that your costume is the best in the room. Usually there is a purse associated with the top prizes.
So, if you offer a CC, but always had the intention of giving the prize and purse to your friend, then you have wasted everyone's time and deserve all the ridicule you get imo.
You thinking CC's are about resources is you, please do not project your stuff onto me. CC's are first and foremost about the recognition.
If its simply about feeling good and gets folks to admire your characters.
The costumes and concepts forum is a much better option. Take some pics, start a post and enjoy.
The OP has a point, and people don't want to admit it. While some bias is going to be absolutely necessary to find a winner in the first place, the level of such in some costume contests is absolutely disgusting.
I've watched judges pick costumes that didn't have half the detail, synergy, elegance or any other obvious quality when compared to some of the other contestants in the crowd. I watched winners be chosen that had costumes that were downright ugly. I've attended regular costume contests where everyone who was chosen for every category was either grimdark or darkgrim. There's a certain point, where things cross over from sore loser to having a valid gripe about legitimate bull****: I. E. People who don't have at least moderately varied tastes shouldn't be holding general costume contests.
Anyone can hold a costume contest. A lot of the time someone will see one of the organized ones and want to hold their own because they think it'll be fun. Unfortunately, sometimes that person has bad taste. There's not a whole lot you can do about that. They can't even warn you, because nobody knows they have bad taste.
Sorry, but I find this entire thread ridiculous...
I find I frequently disagree with judges; costume contest judges, talent show judges, beauty contest judges, sporting event judges (hello Olympics), even judges in a court of law...
Judges opinions are just that, their opinions, and my opinion doesn't often align with theirs. The only real difference is that a judge's opinion holds weight while mine does not...
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
If its simply about feeling good and gets folks to admire your characters.
The costumes and concepts forum is a much better option. Take some pics, start a post and enjoy.
Here I was thinking that these contests also served as an effective way of gathering people and showcasing their talents in costume design and presentation. Boy was I wrong. Thank you for showing me that a costume contest is a convoluted form of PvP.
Ok, imagine a muscular guy, no shirt, wearing black pants, suspenders, top hat, a beard, then throw a steampunk robotic arm on with a steampunk robotic back piece. Simplistic color scheme all around. Sure its... sort of tech... but by that reasoning, someone makes a human body in swimtrunks... and throws a monstrous head on it, should win a monster catagory eh?
And really, i wouldn't have had such an issue with it, if one of the judges hadn't zone'ed a comment about his/her reasoning being they really like steampunk, and thats why they picked the only guy remotely steampunk.
Basically, thats my core issue, I don't have to win, or want to win, but I at least would like to be able to lie to myself that I stand an equal chance at winning as the next guy.
Edit: as a bit of irony, a totally tech'ed out costume won beast in the same CC, go figure.
So your problem is the judge picked something he liked simple because he liked it?
That seems like the essence of any kind of judging that is not governed by a strict set of guide lines.
As to having a equal chance of wining you did. the judge could just have a easily had a penchant for mechs or sleek cyborgs or whatever your theme was but they didn't they liked steam punk next time round maybe you'll get a judge that likes your theme.
Also have you considered maybe your costume just wasn't all that good (i now harsh but a possibility)
You are getting prize and purse confused. The prize of a CC is recognition from your peers that your costume is the best in the room. Usually there is a purse associated with the top prizes.
So, if you offer a CC, but always had the intention of giving the prize and purse to your friend, then you have wasted everyone's time and deserve all the ridicule you get imo.
You thinking CC's are about resources is you, please do not project your stuff onto me. CC's are first and foremost about the recognition.
Your message is still "Either I win, or it's a waste of time." Solution? A big dose of "get over yourself and learn to have fun". Sad that I have to tell someone that on a video game forum... sad, but not a surprise.
You say "that your costume is the best in the room". According to whom... the judges? You? Everyone? Because ( and this very thread proves what I'm about to say ) it sure isn't the best costume in the room according to everyone in the room.
On the one hand you say the judges opinions are wrong... then you make it clear that you greatly value the judge's opinions and consider their approval to be some sort of prize. So which is it? Is their opinion only a prize when you agree with it? Who are you?
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Your message is still "Either I win, or it's a waste of time." Solution? A big dose of "get over yourself and learn to have fun". Sad that I have to tell someone that on a video game forum... sad, but not a surprise.
That wasn't my message at all. I thought I spelled it out pretty clearly, but it seems you like to add words and intentions to other people's phrases that are not there.
You say "that your costume is the best in the room". According to whom... the judges? You? Everyone? Because ( and this very thread proves what I'm about to say ) it sure isn't the best costume in the room according to everyone in the room.
Why so many question marks? I clearly said by "who". There will always be those who disagree.
On the one hand you say the judges opinions are wrong... then you make it clear that you greatly value the judge's opinions and consider their approval to be some sort of prize. So which is it? Is their opinion only a prize when you agree with it? Who are you?
I said people who waste my time holding a fake contest waste my time (aka people who's intent it is only to reward their friends). There are many legit contests.
Quit putting words into my mouth and learn to read the words on your screen.
That wasn't my message at all. I thought I spelled it out pretty clearly, but it seems you like to add words and intentions to other people's phrases that are not there.
So, if you offer a CC, but always had the intention of giving the prize and purse to your friend, then you have wasted everyone's time and deserve all the ridicule you get imo.
You did spell it out pretty clearly. If there's no chance of you winning, you consider it a waste of time. Your own words.
You are getting prize and purse confused. The prize of a CC is recognition from your peers that your costume is the best in the room. Usually there is a purse associated with the top prizes.
So the who is your peers that recognize that your costume is the best in the room? Then why are you so concerned with what the judges say? If your prize is that there are people in the room who think your costume is best, then you get your prize automatically every single time.
You thinking CC's are about resources is you, please do not project your stuff onto me. CC's are first and foremost about the recognition.
And since you don't care about the "purse" either... why do you feel the need to critisize the judge's decisions? Can you explain that? Are you just on a crusade to end "unethical" costume contest judging?
So, if you offer a CC, but always had the intention of giving the prize and purse to your friend, then you have wasted everyone's time and deserve all the ridicule you get imo.
Can you prove that there has ever been a costume contest where the people running it had picked the winners beforehand? And I don't mean anecdotal evidence either, I mean hard proof.
Second, can you prove that there has ever been a costume contest where the people running it didn't pick the winners before hand?
In case you don't get the point I'm making, how do you decide beforehand wether a CC will be a waste of time or not? The answer is a lot simpler than you think, and doesn't require any extensive research or a network of "CC police". Costume contests are never a waste of time if you are the type of person who actually enjoys costume contests.
The very fact that going to a CC, regardless of the outcome, could be a waste of time, is the most telling thing that has come out of your mouth. To you, winning is what's important. To you it's not enough to get together with other costuming enthusiasts, have a good time, be seen by people, and just have a good time. You have made it clear that if there was never a chance for you to win, it was a waste of time. You can deny saying it, but I'll just qoute it again.
You, the OP, and everyone like you who points their finger at the community while attempting to hide a desire to be held above that community, are the ones making the community toxic. Or attempting to at least... your type generally doesn't hold costume contests, so thankfully you actually have very little power to spread your negativity throughout the community as a whole.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
The OP has a point, and people don't want to admit it. While some bias is going to be absolutely necessary to find a winner in the first place, the level of such in some costume contests is absolutely disgusting.
I've watched judges pick costumes that didn't have half the detail, synergy, elegance or any other obvious quality when compared to some of the other contestants in the crowd. I watched winners be chosen that had costumes that were downright ugly. I've attended regular costume contests where everyone who was chosen for every category was either grimdark or darkgrim. There's a certain point, where things cross over from sore loser to having a valid gripe about legitimate bull****: I. E. People who don't have at least moderately varied tastes shouldn't be holding general costume contests.
You see everything I bolded in your post, that's all opinion and varies from person to person, the underlined portion is just plain wrong, the only qualification to run a costume contest is having the time and patience to organise one, putting up a prize is a bonus.
Here I was thinking that these contests also served as an effective way of gathering people and showcasing their talents in costume design and presentation. Boy was I wrong. Thank you for showing me that a costume contest is a convoluted form of PvP.
Im honestly not at all sure how you came to that conclusion. Considering the only thing I suggested was that the forums was probably a better place to go "Look at me"
Something the person I quoted seemed to indicate they wanted.
So the who is your peers that recognize that your costume is the best in the room? Then why are you so concerned with what the judges say? If your prize is that there are people in the room who think your costume is best, then you get your prize automatically every single time.
I am beginning to feel like I am talking with an idiot. The point of entering a "beauty pageant" is to be deemed most beautiful. By entering a contest you give the judges of said contest the right to deem this. The judges are also your peers as in those who play the game.
You, the OP, and everyone like you who points their finger at the community while attempting to hide a desire to be held above that community, are the ones making the community toxic. Or attempting to at least... your type generally doesn't hold costume contests, so thankfully you actually have very little power to spread your negativity throughout the community as a whole.
In response to your "I can hold a contest and do whatever the hell I want, and to hell with you" attitude, I provided one situation where it is unacceptable to do what you want. I did not try and poison your CC community.
Im honestly not at all sure how you came to that conclusion. Considering the only thing I suggested was that the forums was probably a better place to go "Look at me"
Something the person I quoted seemed to indicate they wanted.
If you're going to be absurd and tell people that they should stick to using the forums instead of joining a costume contest because their reasons for participating don't mesh with your ideas of how things should work then I can sound off with something absurd as well.
The moment you start paying any one else's subscription fees is the moment you can dictate how they spend their in-game time.
If you're going to be absurd and tell people that they should stick to using the forums instead of joining a costume contest because their reasons for participating don't mesh with your ideas of how things should work then I can sound off with something absurd as well.
The moment you start paying any one else's subscription fees is the moment you can dictate how they spend their in-game time.
If you're going to be absurd and tell people that they should stick to using the forums instead of joining a costume contest because their reasons for participating don't mesh with your ideas of how things should work then I can sound off with something absurd as well.
The moment you start paying any one else's subscription fees is the moment you can dictate how they spend their in-game time.
Ahh, so perhaps we should remove the suggestion forum. and all suggestions in general considering you seem to think that suggesting such a suggestion is a hostile act.
I will refrain from suggesting from this point on. but that could be considered a suggestion and will probably be taken as hostile as well.
Sorry, but I find this entire thread ridiculous...
I find I frequently disagree with judges; costume contest judges, talent show judges, beauty contest judges, sporting event judges (hello Olympics), even judges in a court of law...
Judges opinions are just that, their opinions, and my opinion doesn't often align with theirs. The only real difference is that a judge's opinion holds weight while mine does not...
Welcome to the real world...
Totally,
This thread should have ended in page two when smoochan explained exactly why the OP was wrong. But no, they had to keep on arguing about it because its somehow easier to believe that:
A) as Metallurgist* pointed out, CC judges are some evil monsters that would go through all the trouble of building people's expecations up and staging an entire in-game event--usually taking up about an hour or so of everyone's time (plus often a similar amount of time in preparation before the actual event)--just to hand their friends a token amount of in-game money or some items when they could have just given them the damn things to begin with and save themselves a whole lot of time and efford. And...
There is such a thing as an objective standard to costume judging, and that random (or sometimes not so random) players that decide to hold a CC by themselves (or their SG, etc.) are a board of certified costume judging processionals that owe the community something somehow.
This has got to be the most inanely ridiculous and pointless thread I have ever read since the recent forum whipe.
PS: smoochan was right in every point they made (and no, I'm not just taking smoochan's side because I'm biased and they're my friend--I have actually argued with them in the forums in the past) and if you're going to a CC to win--you're doing it wrong.
*still haven't learned her new forum name (other than its stats with "zenzen...") and going by memory here
Having just watched a contest in-game, I can happily report that the only thing that was toxic were the entitled, bratty attitudes of a bunch of contestants who thought it was a grand idea to insult and belittle the judges and the winners they chose.
If its simply about feeling good and gets folks to admire your characters. <--- If this is what you're going for...
The costumes and concepts forum is a much better option. Take some pics, start a post and enjoy. <--- ...then you should just use the forums instead.
That's pretty plain english being used there. Even after looking at it in a different frame of mind it still comes off the same to me. If there's another message being delivered here then I sure as heck can't see it. Should I be using some sort of decoder ring?
I still maintain that it's an absurd "suggestion" to make. These events are a welcomed departure from the monotony provided by the actual game. They are usually a fun way to kill some time, a good source of costume inspiration and because these are done by the players FOR the players they're a great way to show community support. I can see and understand trying to shoo away the known CC trolls but for above quoted? Nah, doesn't jive well with me.
You see everything I bolded in your post, that's all opinion and varies from person to person, the underlined portion is just plain wrong, the only qualification to run a costume contest is having the time and patience to organise one, putting up a prize is a bonus.
It's not. I could go on a huge rant about how there's observable, measurable and explainable facts that can be seen in any so called subjective material, but it doesn't matter because people would rather protect their egos and preserve acceptance in liking bad things.
People would rather be wrong in a group than right as an individual, so I'll leave it at this:
No matter how much you wish to believe otherwise, there are good, factual reasons why Mega Snake isn't going to be winning anyone an Oscar any time soon. You can hold your breath until you're blue in the face, but trying to say otherwise is still wrong. Some things are factually bad.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
The CC community's not toxic,they judge based on the category,if its tech,the most armored/robotic type guy is likely to win,while other Tech based toons will lose.It all depends on the judge,its simple.
The CC community's not toxic,they judge based on the category,if its tech,the most armored/robotic type guy is likely to win,while other Tech based toons will lose.It all depends on the judge,its simple.
Some can be I am not one to call people out but one in recent months rubs me up the wrong way. But that wasnt about who won it was about lies about catergorys .
But I tangent.
TOP TIP : Dont go to random nub CC's they will always annoy go to CC's held by A.R.C or S.P.E.A.R been to many dont by the said peoples who appreciate good costumes and are always fun.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I'm new to this forum, and sort have a jist of of offline/in person, someone from out of town, who has no rapport with any of the contestants.
Reminds of an Andy Griffith (rip) episode where he is chosen to be judge of a "miss mayberry beauty contest" and reluctant to do because he knew most of the contestants. I always recall my mother saying, that's why they hire judges and such from out of town/state.
Umpires and referees go thru the same thingin sporting events. Even when they make good calls, you can bet that the mgr from the opposing team is going to give them flak.
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If its simply about feeling good and gets folks to admire your characters.
The costumes and concepts forum is a much better option. Take some pics, start a post and enjoy.
Anyone can hold a costume contest. A lot of the time someone will see one of the organized ones and want to hold their own because they think it'll be fun. Unfortunately, sometimes that person has bad taste. There's not a whole lot you can do about that. They can't even warn you, because nobody knows they have bad taste.
I find I frequently disagree with judges; costume contest judges, talent show judges, beauty contest judges, sporting event judges (hello Olympics), even judges in a court of law...
Judges opinions are just that, their opinions, and my opinion doesn't often align with theirs. The only real difference is that a judge's opinion holds weight while mine does not...
Welcome to the real world...
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Here I was thinking that these contests also served as an effective way of gathering people and showcasing their talents in costume design and presentation. Boy was I wrong. Thank you for showing me that a costume contest is a convoluted form of PvP.
So your problem is the judge picked something he liked simple because he liked it?
That seems like the essence of any kind of judging that is not governed by a strict set of guide lines.
As to having a equal chance of wining you did. the judge could just have a easily had a penchant for mechs or sleek cyborgs or whatever your theme was but they didn't they liked steam punk next time round maybe you'll get a judge that likes your theme.
Also have you considered maybe your costume just wasn't all that good (i now harsh but a possibility)
Your message is still "Either I win, or it's a waste of time." Solution? A big dose of "get over yourself and learn to have fun". Sad that I have to tell someone that on a video game forum... sad, but not a surprise.
You say "that your costume is the best in the room". According to whom... the judges? You? Everyone? Because ( and this very thread proves what I'm about to say ) it sure isn't the best costume in the room according to everyone in the room.
On the one hand you say the judges opinions are wrong... then you make it clear that you greatly value the judge's opinions and consider their approval to be some sort of prize. So which is it? Is their opinion only a prize when you agree with it? Who are you?
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
That wasn't my message at all. I thought I spelled it out pretty clearly, but it seems you like to add words and intentions to other people's phrases that are not there.
Why so many question marks? I clearly said by "who". There will always be those who disagree.
I said people who waste my time holding a fake contest waste my time (aka people who's intent it is only to reward their friends). There are many legit contests.
Quit putting words into my mouth and learn to read the words on your screen.
You did spell it out pretty clearly. If there's no chance of you winning, you consider it a waste of time. Your own words.
So the who is your peers that recognize that your costume is the best in the room? Then why are you so concerned with what the judges say? If your prize is that there are people in the room who think your costume is best, then you get your prize automatically every single time.
And since you don't care about the "purse" either... why do you feel the need to critisize the judge's decisions? Can you explain that? Are you just on a crusade to end "unethical" costume contest judging?
Can you prove that there has ever been a costume contest where the people running it had picked the winners beforehand? And I don't mean anecdotal evidence either, I mean hard proof.
Second, can you prove that there has ever been a costume contest where the people running it didn't pick the winners before hand?
In case you don't get the point I'm making, how do you decide beforehand wether a CC will be a waste of time or not? The answer is a lot simpler than you think, and doesn't require any extensive research or a network of "CC police". Costume contests are never a waste of time if you are the type of person who actually enjoys costume contests.
The very fact that going to a CC, regardless of the outcome, could be a waste of time, is the most telling thing that has come out of your mouth. To you, winning is what's important. To you it's not enough to get together with other costuming enthusiasts, have a good time, be seen by people, and just have a good time. You have made it clear that if there was never a chance for you to win, it was a waste of time. You can deny saying it, but I'll just qoute it again.
You, the OP, and everyone like you who points their finger at the community while attempting to hide a desire to be held above that community, are the ones making the community toxic. Or attempting to at least... your type generally doesn't hold costume contests, so thankfully you actually have very little power to spread your negativity throughout the community as a whole.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
You see everything I bolded in your post, that's all opinion and varies from person to person, the underlined portion is just plain wrong, the only qualification to run a costume contest is having the time and patience to organise one, putting up a prize is a bonus.
Im honestly not at all sure how you came to that conclusion. Considering the only thing I suggested was that the forums was probably a better place to go "Look at me"
Something the person I quoted seemed to indicate they wanted.
In the context of that one condition, yes. Like I said there are legit contests which are not a waste of time.
I am beginning to feel like I am talking with an idiot. The point of entering a "beauty pageant" is to be deemed most beautiful. By entering a contest you give the judges of said contest the right to deem this. The judges are also your peers as in those who play the game.
In response to your "I can hold a contest and do whatever the hell I want, and to hell with you" attitude, I provided one situation where it is unacceptable to do what you want. I did not try and poison your CC community.
If you're going to be absurd and tell people that they should stick to using the forums instead of joining a costume contest because their reasons for participating don't mesh with your ideas of how things should work then I can sound off with something absurd as well.
The moment you start paying any one else's subscription fees is the moment you can dictate how they spend their in-game time.
He/she didnt do what you claim here.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Ahh, so perhaps we should remove the suggestion forum. and all suggestions in general considering you seem to think that suggesting such a suggestion is a hostile act.
I will refrain from suggesting from this point on. but that could be considered a suggestion and will probably be taken as hostile as well.
Totally,
This thread should have ended in page two when smoochan explained exactly why the OP was wrong. But no, they had to keep on arguing about it because its somehow easier to believe that:
A) as Metallurgist* pointed out, CC judges are some evil monsters that would go through all the trouble of building people's expecations up and staging an entire in-game event--usually taking up about an hour or so of everyone's time (plus often a similar amount of time in preparation before the actual event)--just to hand their friends a token amount of in-game money or some items when they could have just given them the damn things to begin with and save themselves a whole lot of time and efford. And...
This has got to be the most inanely ridiculous and pointless thread I have ever read since the recent forum whipe.
PS: smoochan was right in every point they made (and no, I'm not just taking smoochan's side because I'm biased and they're my friend--I have actually argued with them in the forums in the past) and if you're going to a CC to win--you're doing it wrong.
*still haven't learned her new forum name (other than its stats with "zenzen...") and going by memory here
Toxic indeed.
That so?
That's pretty plain english being used there. Even after looking at it in a different frame of mind it still comes off the same to me. If there's another message being delivered here then I sure as heck can't see it. Should I be using some sort of decoder ring?
I still maintain that it's an absurd "suggestion" to make. These events are a welcomed departure from the monotony provided by the actual game. They are usually a fun way to kill some time, a good source of costume inspiration and because these are done by the players FOR the players they're a great way to show community support. I can see and understand trying to shoo away the known CC trolls but for above quoted? Nah, doesn't jive well with me.
Its really up to the reader to decide if such an opinion is either good idea or not.
So why exactly are you taking it so personal and with such malice?
It's not. I could go on a huge rant about how there's observable, measurable and explainable facts that can be seen in any so called subjective material, but it doesn't matter because people would rather protect their egos and preserve acceptance in liking bad things.
People would rather be wrong in a group than right as an individual, so I'll leave it at this:
No matter how much you wish to believe otherwise, there are good, factual reasons why Mega Snake isn't going to be winning anyone an Oscar any time soon. You can hold your breath until you're blue in the face, but trying to say otherwise is still wrong. Some things are factually bad.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Consolidate currency!
Munitions additions
Petition to take in game report spam function out
Why not to do surveys and free offers
Some can be I am not one to call people out but one in recent months rubs me up the wrong way. But that wasnt about who won it was about lies about catergorys .
But I tangent.
TOP TIP : Dont go to random nub CC's they will always annoy go to CC's held by A.R.C or S.P.E.A.R been to many dont by the said peoples who appreciate good costumes and are always fun.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I'm new to this forum, and sort have a jist of of offline/in person, someone from out of town, who has no rapport with any of the contestants.
Reminds of an Andy Griffith (rip) episode where he is chosen to be judge of a "miss mayberry beauty contest" and reluctant to do because he knew most of the contestants. I always recall my mother saying, that's why they hire judges and such from out of town/state.
Umpires and referees go thru the same thingin sporting events. Even when they make good calls, you can bet that the mgr from the opposing team is going to give them flak.
Let's find out.
WHUMP!