Don't think we need to go that far, Taken. Rather certain Monaa said that English isn't a native language as well, so it IS possible that the response merely fits the way it you and myself have seen it, but that they meant otherwise.
And this is why this thread has gone so far. Monaahiru, it sounded like you were insulting TechOwl, who did not and does not mean to offend people. She was trying to point out that attacking IS possible in PvE and is often more useful than spamming a heal on a full target. It is a common stereotype of younger (read: less mature) users in a game to challenge another player to a PvP fight to try to prove a point, so challenging TechOwl and dragging the conversation over here on top of it sounding like you understood that TechOwl would not be able to respond did not put you in a positive light. Since TechOwl had been attacked through that thread already, what you posted fit right alongside what I am saying now.
Look, we're accomplishing nothing this way. This is a silly arguement of two groups backing up their friends. Let's just agree to disagree without further insults to the skill or playstyles of the other group. The "real" thread is 'Dear healers.', so let's post our opinions there in hopes that some uninformed healers might read and learn from a group of people trying to help, and not two groups arguing.
kk I'm getting understand now and thanks. At first, I felt myself was said "you are doing wrong" at the 'Dear healers' thread. I think I was mistaken the meaning what he really wanted to say.
Well, I'll jumpy jump and spam heal/bubble by need but plz dnt care about it. I believe I'm not doing so wrong about it.
I don't really care how anyone wants to play their healer so I'll leave that discussion alone. I just want to say there is such a thing as pre-emptive healing, especially so for PVP where a player is being targeted, and especially so for multiple target hitting Gravitar. This I dare say due to the 1 second lag I keep experiencing in Gravitar when I've either moved out of the domes or blocked and still got hit for full damage sometimes. I've seen the effectiveness of pre-emptive healing in both scenarios I've mention, so I'll just let others ponder and maybe notice it in game play.
kk I'm getting understand now and thanks. At first, I felt myself was said "you are doing wrong" at the 'Dear healers' thread. I think I was mistaken the meaning what he really wanted to say.
Well, I'll jumpy jump and spam heal/bubble by need but plz dnt care about it. I believe I'm not doing so wrong about it.
That is basically what Techowl originally said, but that post was since edited before the forum changes. People coming later were unaware and hence everything was misinterpreted and became all this drama =P.
That is basically what Techowl originally said, but that post was since edited before the forum changes. People coming later were unaware and hence everything was misinterpreted and became all this drama =P.
Well, lets forget about it. He fixed it by himself and that's no problem. Ty for everything.
I'd say there are people that "do it wrong", but there are just many factors to consider when FF is in the mix. If someone's building for concept and fun, they're not going to perform as well as a min/maxxer for instance. Nothing wrong in not min/maxing - unless you're trying to actually min max and failing.
Techowl was basically frustrated and was hoping to "educate" but the initial wording drew a lot of flack.
And if you were doing it wrong Jewel, you'd be a lot easier to kill =P.
ok, shutup all of you.
As usual i didnt reed all of the idiotic things you scrubs posted but, its all clear .
Monka is talking about PVE healing, in PVE alerts , like gravatar, you should be attacking and doing a bit of DPS.
Jewel, you took this like she was talking to you, you are a pvp healer, healing vs 4-5 DSP in pvp is not easy, and needs all of the slots for supporting, self defence, no space for attacks.
SO please end this "healing" drama, healing in CO is easy as hell, KEybind bubbles, and spam Iniquity, and with pre spec, you heal yourself too, so its no energy cost with bcr running,
Pop an AD constantly, etc etc .
So all of you stop crying, i understand that you dont have anyhting smarter to do than fight on forums in your lives but realy, use that energy on eating bacon.
ok, shutup all of you.
As usual i didnt reed all of the idiotic things you scrubs posted but, its all clear .
Monka is talking about PVE healing, in PVE alerts , like gravatar, you should be attacking and doing a bit of DPS.
Jewel, you took this like she was talking to you, you are a pvp healer, healing vs 4-5 DSP in pvp is not easy, and needs all of the slots for supporting, self defence, no space for attacks.
SO please end this "healing" drama, healing in CO is easy as hell, KEybind bubbles, and spam Iniquity, and with pre spec, you heal yourself too, so its no energy cost with bcr running,
Pop an AD constantly, etc etc .
So all of you stop crying, i understand that you dont have anyhting smarter to do than fight on forums in your lives but realy, use that energy on eating bacon.
You're a bit late. I think they are over it? Read up...
Also, hope that's turkey bacon not that pork crap ur talkin' about. If so I am in!
No matter how low you sink to try and agitate us, you're true demeanor shines through. You can't make us mad, this is a video game. SPECTRE loves and looks out for our own. We are awesome!
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Love is a double bladed sword ubtri.
Apparently a lot has happened since I have been gone :I, but I will touch up on some points here.
1. Being in Spectre Ub I would have expected you to stop this thread at the head and look for an alternate resolution instead of 5 pages of flaming. If you love this SG as much as you claim, you should have stopped the childish call out and put this sg mate in check. I was dissappointed to see you did nothing but fan flames.
2. Vixy, Leo, Iso, and Sanguine have worked hard to make this Sg as friendly as possible, when you support someones "challenges" on this forum, when you disrespect people while defending someone doing something wrong, you throw everything those people worked for out the window.
3. Make me a sammich
4. with cheese^
-Falchoin
1. While I understand your trying to defend someone who cant speak for themselves, linking a video, then trash talking the person was un-needed.
-monaahiru
1. Dont you ever disrespect this SG again. If your going to call someone out like this, do it in a pm. Dont make this SG the AE/SHIN of the forums and call people out to satisfy your own epeen.
Apparently a lot has happened since I have been gone :I, but I will touch up on some points here.
1. Being in Spectre Ub I would have expected you to stop this thread at the head and look for an alternate resolution instead of 5 pages of flaming. If you love this SG as much as you claim, you should have stopped the childish call out and put this sg mate in check. I was dissappointed to see you did nothing but fan flames.
2. Vixy, Leo, Iso, and Sanguine have worked hard to make this Sg as friendly as possible, when you support someones "challenges" on this forum, when you disrespect people while defending someone doing something wrong, you throw everything those people worked for out the window.
A bit out of line yourself. Solo, you just took a huge dump in your bed. Enjoy it. Considering the issues in this thread were already at an end, you come in late and... ...Take out anger on me for defending my SG mate? You're just an SG hopper anyway. Suck an egg.
1. Dont you ever disrespect this SG again. If your going to call someone out like this, do it in a pm. Dont make this SG the AE/SHIN of the forums and call people out to satisfy your own epeen.
Also double "suck an egg" for this unneeded comment. You should've taken your whole post to PM, hypocrite. Talk about epeen, fighting your own SG mates on a forum post you are clueless about. Get a grip.
A bit out of line yourself. Solo, you just took a huge dump in your bed. Enjoy it. Considering the issues in this thread were already at an end, you come in late and... ...Take out anger on me for defending my SG mate? You're just an SG hopper anyway. Suck an egg.
A dump in my bed, awesome.
Expressing my disappointment in you is apparently being angry?
Ub, maybe if you actually re-read what I say you would clearly see I am not angry, sad, but not angry.
Is falchoin right about the new spectre?
Is the work the actual leaders put in towards the sg wasted on people like you?
Maybe you didnt take what I said sensibly, or maybe I wasnt clear and nice enough?
THIS ISSUE, should have been resolved on page two, YOU , in your blind defending, fanned flames, am i wrong?
You, defending your sg mate even when they are in the wrong, pulled a xeno.
Now your getting closer to the level of messiah. Keep it up, your doing great.
But what do I know, im just an SG hopper who actually cares about the sg.
Also double "suck an egg" for this unneeded comment. You should've taken your whole post to PM, hypocrite. Talk about epeen, fighting your own SG mates on a forum post you are clueless about. Get a grip.
Calling someone out on the forum-check
Random sg mate fanning flames-check
Totally misunderstood subject where neither parties tried to find a middle ground on the issue .- check
Am I wrong?
Also, how am I being hypocritical?
Did I call out the OP or you?
Nope I just expressed my disappointment with you for handling a situation that didnt have to devolve into flamming.
I also told the OP to basically not be disrespectful to this sg.
Did I stroke my epeen?
I dont think so, I didnt say I was better than you did I?, did I call you or someone out? Did i say I was cooler than you or something? Did I do anything to say I was superior?
Your a disappointment Ubtri, I expected you to handle the entire situation with more tact.
This was basically what I said in my first post, regardless of whether the issue was resolved or not, YOU, should have done better to represent the sg your in, that includes calling even your sg mate out on their @#%t.
Sorry if that makes you upset, sorry if that sounds out of line, but its true.
EDIT: Oh and congratulations, you just made the PvE eRPer's trolling this thread VERY happy.
They may be trolling the thread because you're doing all of it wrong, dead wrong, I don't get why you always get to imbue yourself with the role of "ALMIGHTY HERO GAMES / SPECTRE DEFENDER" when there's nothing to "defend", you're not the one deciding who's allowed or not just because you post videos in another thread.
And.. the sight of 'them' being 'happy' upsets you? Interesting, for someone claiming to have all the good values of the world that's interesting. It's high time for you to fall from this cloud of yours, sir. Good journey.
Why do people feel the need to re-hash something beyond what it was.
Techowl apparently isn't a native english speaker. His/her original post was found pretty offensive in its wording. Post was edited even before forum changeover.
Jewel's challenge was simply to prove a point that there's a reason dedicated pvp healers didn't build the way techowl expected in his/her original post - yet everyone would rather take it far beyond what it actually is and keep arguing and insulting each other.
All these attacks are getting personal and thus invoking personal responses.
Continuing to insult my sg and claiming righteousness is hypocritical. If you even look at the history of techowl's post you'll see that he/she received a lot of flack from several forum members leading to the editing of the original post. Blaming Spectre and attacking its members when plenty of other people responded to the ORIGINAL post...
I have no idea what sg you people keep coming from just to post insults and honestly don't care, it was never about an SG to begin with. I just think it's sad people are jumping into this fight from somewhere when the actual problem that started it all was resolved but no one noticed because of the pissing contest that spawned out of it.
1. Dont you ever disrespect this SG again. If your going to call someone out like this, do it in a pm. Dont make this SG the AE/SHIN of the forums and call people out to satisfy your own epeen.
Tis all, has fun.
This is the same BS that keeps it all going.
People coming in late having no idea what it was originally over and adding new insults.
Insulting someone first, then using their retaliation as a means of justifying your original insults seems pretty shady to me.
No one was ever even disrespecting an SG, yet somehow it's become that. So now that whatever sg this is (since I still have no clue) feels insulted, y'all keep showing up and insulting people.
I was one of the first people to disagree with Techowl's ORIGINAL posting. It was offensive and not intended to be so. It was quickly edited. This thread was created as a response to disprove a statement in that ORIGINAL posting, not some childish callout.
This thread would have gone silent, but people in techowl's sg felt the need to defend something that needed to be defended. People started assuming this and that and there was this burning hatred that never even existed.
I still have no clue what SG was somehow offended by this, yet was the first to make this an SG issue. This talk of disrespecting an SG - Spectre was disrespected first and foremost since someone not in Spectre decided to make this whole thing about Spectre.
You can't insult people over the internet and suddenly be surprised if one retaliates. Instead of a simple misunderstanding being resolved, people from an sg that isn't Spectre keep deciding to butt in insulting Spectre without knowing what the original issue was even about.
If all it takes is a minor misunderstanding to lead to this blind hatred, it's probably time to look in the mirror.
Why do people feel the need to re-hash something beyond what it was.
...- yet everyone would rather take it far beyond what it actually is and keep arguing and insulting each other.
...All these attacks are getting personal and thus invoking personal responses.
...I just think it's sad people are jumping into this fight from somewhere when the actual problem that started it all was resolved but no one noticed because of the pissing contest that spawned out of it.
Welcome to the pvp forum! :biggrin:
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
They may be trolling the thread because you're doing all of it wrong, dead wrong, I don't get why you always get to imbue yourself with the role of "ALMIGHTY HERO GAMES / SPECTRE DEFENDER" when there's nothing to "defend", you're not the one deciding who's allowed or not just because you post videos in another thread.
And.. the sight of 'them' being 'happy' upsets you? Interesting, for someone claiming to have all the good values of the world that's interesting. It's high time for you to fall from this cloud of yours, sir. Good journey.
Well, I thought this was all finished so I held my tongue but some people seems want to replace the argument. So hello all I came back.
No one were talking about ALMIGHTY HERO GAMES, includes me.
All I wanted to say was, play style differ in each style, each build and each situation.
SG isn't involved, this all started from my personal. I never talked about this in SG channel or coPvP channel and all my mates know about this. I hate backbiting.
So, don't be offensive to SG or my friends. I'm the one started all this. So I'm the one who should be target of criticism.
Original post before fixed wasn't restricted about Gravitar but Healers' play style.
At starting point, some Healer were raged and told me about the thread (not Spectre member) and when I saw the original post, me myself got really mad at that timing.
I posted this thread, but this time, was so bad timing. Now I understand.
Healer build isn't easy to do no matter PvP or PvE. "I have to heal him, I have to heal her, oops I have to rez other and oh no I'm killed". I think someone did healer build all have same experience. "Doing wrong isn't wrong in game." Try-and-error, we all consider, sometimes fail, and this should not be a target of offensive criticism.
Anyone here did Gravitar, Teleiosaurus, Therakiel or anything like that easily in first run? I think we all failed more then once.
I didn't notice post was fixed so all this net-drama was started. Well, post was fixed and now I know what she wanted to say. So, it's not the problem already. But if all started not offensive but just goodwill advice, I think we didn't have to argue and I have to examination my self about this.
BTW, if "banned region" is only problem for posting forums, I think this can solve.
Comments
kk I'm getting understand now and thanks. At first, I felt myself was said "you are doing wrong" at the 'Dear healers' thread. I think I was mistaken the meaning what he really wanted to say.
Well, I'll jumpy jump and spam heal/bubble by need but plz dnt care about it. I believe I'm not doing so wrong about it.
That is basically what Techowl originally said, but that post was since edited before the forum changes. People coming later were unaware and hence everything was misinterpreted and became all this drama =P.
Well, lets forget about it. He fixed it by himself and that's no problem. Ty for everything.
Techowl was basically frustrated and was hoping to "educate" but the initial wording drew a lot of flack.
And if you were doing it wrong Jewel, you'd be a lot easier to kill =P.
As usual i didnt reed all of the idiotic things you scrubs posted but, its all clear .
Monka is talking about PVE healing, in PVE alerts , like gravatar, you should be attacking and doing a bit of DPS.
Jewel, you took this like she was talking to you, you are a pvp healer, healing vs 4-5 DSP in pvp is not easy, and needs all of the slots for supporting, self defence, no space for attacks.
SO please end this "healing" drama, healing in CO is easy as hell, KEybind bubbles, and spam Iniquity, and with pre spec, you heal yourself too, so its no energy cost with bcr running,
Pop an AD constantly, etc etc .
So all of you stop crying, i understand that you dont have anyhting smarter to do than fight on forums in your lives but realy, use that energy on eating bacon.
You're a bit late. I think they are over it? Read up...
Also, hope that's turkey bacon not that pork crap ur talkin' about. If so I am in!
Love is a double bladed sword ubtri.
Apparently a lot has happened since I have been gone :I, but I will touch up on some points here.
1. Being in Spectre Ub I would have expected you to stop this thread at the head and look for an alternate resolution instead of 5 pages of flaming. If you love this SG as much as you claim, you should have stopped the childish call out and put this sg mate in check. I was dissappointed to see you did nothing but fan flames.
2. Vixy, Leo, Iso, and Sanguine have worked hard to make this Sg as friendly as possible, when you support someones "challenges" on this forum, when you disrespect people while defending someone doing something wrong, you throw everything those people worked for out the window.
3. Make me a sammich
4. with cheese^
-Falchoin
1. While I understand your trying to defend someone who cant speak for themselves, linking a video, then trash talking the person was un-needed.
-monaahiru
1. Dont you ever disrespect this SG again. If your going to call someone out like this, do it in a pm. Dont make this SG the AE/SHIN of the forums and call people out to satisfy your own epeen.
Tis all, has fun.
You sir, are awesome. I salutes you! :redface:
A bit out of line yourself. Solo, you just took a huge dump in your bed. Enjoy it. Considering the issues in this thread were already at an end, you come in late and... ...Take out anger on me for defending my SG mate? You're just an SG hopper anyway. Suck an egg.
Also double "suck an egg" for this unneeded comment. You should've taken your whole post to PM, hypocrite. Talk about epeen, fighting your own SG mates on a forum post you are clueless about. Get a grip.
A dump in my bed, awesome.
Expressing my disappointment in you is apparently being angry?
Ub, maybe if you actually re-read what I say you would clearly see I am not angry, sad, but not angry.
Is falchoin right about the new spectre?
Is the work the actual leaders put in towards the sg wasted on people like you?
Maybe you didnt take what I said sensibly, or maybe I wasnt clear and nice enough?
THIS ISSUE, should have been resolved on page two, YOU , in your blind defending, fanned flames, am i wrong?
You, defending your sg mate even when they are in the wrong, pulled a xeno.
Now your getting closer to the level of messiah. Keep it up, your doing great.
But what do I know, im just an SG hopper who actually cares about the sg.
Funny right?
Calling someone out on the forum-check
Random sg mate fanning flames-check
Totally misunderstood subject where neither parties tried to find a middle ground on the issue .- check
Am I wrong?
Also, how am I being hypocritical?
Did I call out the OP or you?
Nope I just expressed my disappointment with you for handling a situation that didnt have to devolve into flamming.
I also told the OP to basically not be disrespectful to this sg.
Did I stroke my epeen?
I dont think so, I didnt say I was better than you did I?, did I call you or someone out? Did i say I was cooler than you or something? Did I do anything to say I was superior?
Your a disappointment Ubtri, I expected you to handle the entire situation with more tact.
This was basically what I said in my first post, regardless of whether the issue was resolved or not, YOU, should have done better to represent the sg your in, that includes calling even your sg mate out on their @#%t.
Sorry if that makes you upset, sorry if that sounds out of line, but its true.
EDIT: Oh and congratulations, you just made the PvE eRPer's trolling this thread VERY happy.
They may be trolling the thread because you're doing all of it wrong, dead wrong, I don't get why you always get to imbue yourself with the role of "ALMIGHTY HERO GAMES / SPECTRE DEFENDER" when there's nothing to "defend", you're not the one deciding who's allowed or not just because you post videos in another thread.
And.. the sight of 'them' being 'happy' upsets you? Interesting, for someone claiming to have all the good values of the world that's interesting. It's high time for you to fall from this cloud of yours, sir. Good journey.
Why do people feel the need to re-hash something beyond what it was.
Techowl apparently isn't a native english speaker. His/her original post was found pretty offensive in its wording. Post was edited even before forum changeover.
Jewel's challenge was simply to prove a point that there's a reason dedicated pvp healers didn't build the way techowl expected in his/her original post - yet everyone would rather take it far beyond what it actually is and keep arguing and insulting each other.
All these attacks are getting personal and thus invoking personal responses.
Continuing to insult my sg and claiming righteousness is hypocritical. If you even look at the history of techowl's post you'll see that he/she received a lot of flack from several forum members leading to the editing of the original post. Blaming Spectre and attacking its members when plenty of other people responded to the ORIGINAL post...
I have no idea what sg you people keep coming from just to post insults and honestly don't care, it was never about an SG to begin with. I just think it's sad people are jumping into this fight from somewhere when the actual problem that started it all was resolved but no one noticed because of the pissing contest that spawned out of it.
http://monkaco.tumblr.com/post/26756697258/that-post-will-be-deleted-soon-just-cause-its-not
From Monka@TechOwl
Enjoy.
This is the same BS that keeps it all going.
People coming in late having no idea what it was originally over and adding new insults.
Insulting someone first, then using their retaliation as a means of justifying your original insults seems pretty shady to me.
No one was ever even disrespecting an SG, yet somehow it's become that. So now that whatever sg this is (since I still have no clue) feels insulted, y'all keep showing up and insulting people.
I was one of the first people to disagree with Techowl's ORIGINAL posting. It was offensive and not intended to be so. It was quickly edited. This thread was created as a response to disprove a statement in that ORIGINAL posting, not some childish callout.
This thread would have gone silent, but people in techowl's sg felt the need to defend something that needed to be defended. People started assuming this and that and there was this burning hatred that never even existed.
I still have no clue what SG was somehow offended by this, yet was the first to make this an SG issue. This talk of disrespecting an SG - Spectre was disrespected first and foremost since someone not in Spectre decided to make this whole thing about Spectre.
You can't insult people over the internet and suddenly be surprised if one retaliates. Instead of a simple misunderstanding being resolved, people from an sg that isn't Spectre keep deciding to butt in insulting Spectre without knowing what the original issue was even about.
If all it takes is a minor misunderstanding to lead to this blind hatred, it's probably time to look in the mirror.
Welcome to the pvp forum! :biggrin:
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Typical Forz tough guy act.
SPECTREs, you got some splain'in to do...
Snark never dies.
Well, I thought this was all finished so I held my tongue but some people seems want to replace the argument. So hello all I came back.
No one were talking about ALMIGHTY HERO GAMES, includes me.
All I wanted to say was, play style differ in each style, each build and each situation.
SG isn't involved, this all started from my personal. I never talked about this in SG channel or coPvP channel and all my mates know about this. I hate backbiting.
So, don't be offensive to SG or my friends. I'm the one started all this. So I'm the one who should be target of criticism.
Original post before fixed wasn't restricted about Gravitar but Healers' play style.
At starting point, some Healer were raged and told me about the thread (not Spectre member) and when I saw the original post, me myself got really mad at that timing.
I posted this thread, but this time, was so bad timing. Now I understand.
Healer build isn't easy to do no matter PvP or PvE. "I have to heal him, I have to heal her, oops I have to rez other and oh no I'm killed". I think someone did healer build all have same experience. "Doing wrong isn't wrong in game." Try-and-error, we all consider, sometimes fail, and this should not be a target of offensive criticism.
Anyone here did Gravitar, Teleiosaurus, Therakiel or anything like that easily in first run? I think we all failed more then once.
I didn't notice post was fixed so all this net-drama was started. Well, post was fixed and now I know what she wanted to say. So, it's not the problem already. But if all started not offensive but just goodwill advice, I think we didn't have to argue and I have to examination my self about this.
BTW, if "banned region" is only problem for posting forums, I think this can solve.
http://www.publicproxyservers.com/
My personal PC is safe but my public PC was banned so I had to use proxy to post. xD