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So, when "I'm good healer" guy are coming and teach us "good healing"?
monaahiru
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There are someone talking about "good healing" at "Dear healers" thread in General Gameplay and in some Youtube post. If his words are the only correct answer, most of PvP healers are doing wrong thing.
And when this "I'm good healer" guy are coming and teach us "good healing" not in word but in Gameplay? He should prove his words in action. We can say anything just in word. xD
I'm waiting for so long. Please ruin us with your healer build in PvP. xD
And when this "I'm good healer" guy are coming and teach us "good healing" not in word but in Gameplay? He should prove his words in action. We can say anything just in word. xD
I'm waiting for so long. Please ruin us with your healer build in PvP. xD
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Now I'm just confused. This isn't golf. Low score doesn't win.
Also, the OP in the "Dear Healers" thread was talking about PvE healing. Unless PvP healing and PvE healing are magically the same now you won't prove anything by calling them out to a PvP match.
But I think he's realized that he over-generalized by now.
Notice how no matter how much jumping, running, bubbling and Iniquity spam the healer (monaahiru) does it makes little to no difference in how long the teammates survive? The enemy team isn't cherry picking, they're slaughtering everything whether she's there or not. Did you even watch the video?
Why are you so upset? Are you an offended PvP healer? Ever play a healer? They never looked too fun to play IMHO, always being the primary target is hard.
And at the end of the vid, pause on the scoreboard. Looks like it was pretty unbalanced. No one on the losing team scored a single point... Definitely not the fault of a healer.
Check out this video, it's more fitting for the OP's skill as a PvP healer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1mCg2-cyE
So she's not updated her build for the new meta? This makes her an awesome PvP healer how? Adapt or die.
I'm not upset. I find it hilarious that someone who's calling another out appears to play so poorly. I mean... she's a clicker!
Did you bother to watch the video I linked to? I doubt it. Sounds like you're just making judgments for no good reason about one of the better PvP healers in CO that most hardcore PvPer's would vouch for.
Also, I stick up for my SG mates, and might be slightly biased here.
I'm done feeding this troll.
One video and we're already generalizing like techowl?
That does little to validate your opinion. 5 players are far more potent that a single gravitar.
You HAVE to be retarded to speak of movement in PvP as a BAD thing...
If you stand still you will surely get squashed. In the video I linked too, she does an almost perfect job healing the whole team WHILE ALSO getting some kills. I am starting to think you, sir, have absolutely no clue about PvP and should therefor STFU.
I agree movement is vital.
However, bubbling and then spamming Iniquity on said full health bubbled target makes no sense and does not show me skill. Which happens often in the video you linked.
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The threats support toons have to deal with in the Hero Games make even the nastiest encounter in PvE look like a pathetic joke. They'll disable your block, cut your heal strength in half, and then tear down every defense you have left like tissue paper. All in seconds. Sometimes offscreen in a single shot or while you're disabled by a knock.
I can vouch for that healer in PvP, but I cannot vouch for you. The losing team had exactly two players that I'd consider to be experienced PvPers with good builds. The healer and Kou. Sadly two good cannot come close to making up for the rest of the bad.
So please grab your Kali toon. Queue up for some UTC. Find yourself teamed with a horrible pug and show us all how it's done.
i thought a good healer was someone that kept other and his / herself alive.
in pvp healers tend to soak up spikes.
In the first video is a perfect example of what happen when you KOS the healer every time it spawns.
the "updated video" the healer was Free casting , no one was touching her, all match...
Explain to me what going on in this thread ._.
forgive me for my ignorance on this touchy subject...
@turmoil86
This thread is what happens when someone (monaahiru) apparently took offense to another thread Dear Healers. In said Dear Healers thread the OP (techowl) suggested people not waste their time/effort by healing others at full health nor spamming bubbles needlessly and toss a few attacks during downtime.
To make matters worse, the OP of this thread knew that the OP of Dear Healers is in a region blocked country and is now unable to post in these forums when this thread was created. I guess it's easiest to call someone out when they cannot answer.
So now it's devolved into friends/SG mates of one person bickering with friends/SG mates of the other. On one side it's because they literally cannot, on the other... I don't know why monaahiru isn't posting here anymore.
Everyone has what they think is Right and wrong.
i disagree with most thing Techowl says... 680 pre... no no no
I have rainbow bubbles and they prevent damage. Why not throw them out?
I still dotn understand why everyone is mad...
heal keep ppl alive. Regardless how it's done... i've keep ppl alive just form Bubbles.. Dose that make me a bad healer?
falchoin i respect you as a pve healer. i've seen you in action...
with that said. I've see alot of Pve healers. I haven't see any Real " unskilled healers".
sorry about my grammar English is hard D :
@ turmoil86
And again, there's nothing wrong with bubbling. It's needlessly bubbling targets or healing them while they're at full health and/or bubbled that's a waste of time/energy... with the possible exception of anticipating a spike.
Everyone has their own way of doing things. We've all got opinions. I happen to agree with TechOwl's take on the healing/bubbling thing, which was only posted as a way to possibly help others improve.
English isn't their first language either.
EDIT: As I said before, your SG mate has called out a friend of mine by making this thread. They CANNOT defend themselves on the forums, yet your SG mate persisted AFTER they knew they were in a region blocked area. Is that someone you want to defend? Has Spectre really fallen so far?
Must be our infamy you speak of. We are GORGEOUS!
No matter how low you sink to try and agitate us, you're true demeanor shines through. You can't make us mad, this is a video game. SPECTRE loves and looks out for our own. We are awesome!
You, on the other hand, is just some PvE player who can say a lot without actually proving themselves in the Hero Games. A lot of people are like you, and you get no respect in this part of the forums. You just look really pathetic.
Ahh, "this part of the forums". Is that why your SG mate posted it here instead of in the original thread? Because "here" you can more easily gang up on the "silly PvE'r" who supposedly walked in on a den of wolves?
So sad...
Oh wait. Am I supposed to be scared now?
Ah yes, I uploaded my lose match for sample. Cause I had to tell everyone my healer build isn't "unkillable" and also to tell there are way to win team with healer without healer in team.
I just want to show us your evidence in real game play. We need no word.
So, when are you coming? :biggrin:
And why I have to stick on CO forum all day every day. xD
There are very simple and easy way. Lets fight in Hero Game and there will be an answer.
Oh wait... this entire thread already is... oh well.
No, I am just defending our SG mate that you seem to want to troll. :-) I love and respect all the members of SPECTRE enough to do this very same thing for.
How am I a "poser" if I am in SPECTRE? They obviously love having me around! :biggrin:
Maybe if you tried Hero Games you might have fun is all. Why be so closed minded about it?
cant we all just get along
also falchoin you are wrong about SPECTRE.
Poser: someone who pretends to belong to a group only by affecting the attributes of the group.
You're not in Spectre. You're in a shadow of the former group. You may belong to a group with same name but it's not THE Spectre.
I've done PvP in CO before and once I learned the ins and outs of how the game works I became disgusted by it. But in the name of science I sat in queue for an hour for UTC and SH from 8:40PM to 9:40PM server time. No pops.
EDIT: I'd love to be wrong about Spectre, however nothing I'm seeing is changing my current opinion.
I am definitely in SPECTRE, have been for about a year. But, keep breaking forum rules by insulting us all... You remember those rules, you posted them a while back as if you weren't the one insulting the OP.
You've taken the whole OP way out of hand. I think monaahiru was lighthearted in the invite to PvP with someone who wasn't even.. ..you.
EDIT: I'm curious why you defend someone who is insulting another who has no voice?
I'm not here to make any enemies.
but I'm asking why people cant get alone.
we area all playing a on a sinking ship held together by duct tape anyway.... should we all make the best of it..
Jewel is one of the nicest people I've ever met in game. But telling someone that their setup is bad because it doesn't fit their perspective of what and how something has to be, it's no surprise that he's making a point to defend "dedicated healers".
Regardless of the fact that Jewel is an sg mate, I knew jewel long before I was inducted into Spectre. Coupled with the fact that I'm very familiar with what Pvp is like with and without a dedicated healer, as well as my own pve healing experience, I have nothing but the utmost respect for dedicated pvp healers. It's a role I'll never play pvpwise, and one I do sparingly now pvewise.
It does also help that I run mostly ATs, so I have far more appreciation for healing than most golds/lifers.
And lastly, your "friend" insulted quite a few people by telling them they need to play a certain way. As often as I'd like to explain to "tanks" that they're meant to hold threat and protect teammates (otherwise known as tank) I don't. I usually end up tanking, whether it be on a behemoth, an unleashed, a cursed, any AT that isn't a healer, or my FFs.
This isn't a troll, the thread was obviously started to prove a point. One that you'd rather miss and start insulting an SG that I happen to be a part of.
I will say I don't see as many people on as I used to, but to put it into perspective, the Alerts changes effectively killed pvp, and what remains is basically on life support. Expecting a pvp sg to be at full strength when pvp hardly exists, that's illogical.
Even nice people do mean things sometimes. The very existence of this thread is insulting to the OP of Dear healers who cannot even defend themselves on the forums since they live in a banned region.
Additionally, no one said ANYTHING about a dedicated healer build being a bad thing. Even "dedicated healer" builds have some means of attack. A time and a place for everything whether it's healing, bubbling or attacking. Just depends on the situation.
Yes, now we're both defending friends. Your friend can speak here. Mine cannot.
EDIT: Maybe those insulted people are feeling guilty and instead of changing their playstyle for the better they're lashing out?
We still have ZA and B.A.S.H.
B.A.S.H. is hard game for healer build but ZA is very good place for healer to heal.
Well, aren''t you assuming a bit too much? I doubt Jewel knows that your friend is from a banned region and can't post on the forums especially since that they wouldn't be close in the first place. There is no need to put an negative spin on people's intentions to make a point.
Well, honest question here. Have you told that your friend that he made a mistake in posting that topic earlier that got people riled up either? If not, were you being a good friend either or is it because that you agree with him so that it's fine? I'm kinda curious about that. Personally, I find it more annoying to have healers in my PUGs not seeming to heal more than to care about them doing DPS which is pretty mediocre damage. And I'll have to wonder why complain about healing in Gravitar who can spike randomly for high damage and several times in a row unless you are doing the alert in a premade with ppl with smoke grenades to cheese her.
And I'll have to say that you are being a pot calling the kettle black. You also think that your playstyle is right while others are wrong, just for not playing the same way as you. Maybe you should take your own advice and stop feeling insulted too by this topic?
Well... It's not like they were actually told about it and respon---oh wait.
Asides from the clear trolling post in this 'safe haven' of yours. I don't actually see this challenge as a challenge, it seems like an outcry to have people actually queue up for PvP, since I was monitoring the queues throughout yesterday and it is bizarrely lacking of even a single person. Has PvP become so stale that you have to resort to calling out people who can't even post on the forums(which you are aware of, see link AGAIN). Do you have to bring in the entire supergroup in an attempt to make more than a single person queue up for this 'challenge'? I just don't get the intentions of this thread or anyone trying to argue the points made here. This is a violation of the forum rules as was pointed out, and I wish Cryptic would re-implement the report feature so this can become history already.
Everyone here is embarrassing themselves and the ones associated to them.
Just
Stop
Posting.
Heh, my bad. I missed that part while browsing through. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I'll retract that part of my statement.
Trolling is name calling, like "Poser", which makes me laugh. Are you a child? Still in high school? Got called a Poser a lot? Now you can lash out on forums! YAY!
Now you are harassing me with comments on Youtube about this (whoever this kid is)? Who's really trolling who? Not that I care, I can ignore people and ban them from making further comments on youtube. :cool: But it's amusing some of your "posers" are going out of their way to act tough even there. If anyone wants to act tough send me a duel request anytime. I am in Ren Center 1 if I'm not in an Hero Game (when I get the time to play.)
Side note, the OP's intention, I reiterate, was an invite to PvP so maybe PvE healers could learn a thing or two instead of pretend to know it all.
So, say whatever juvenile trash you want about me. Vixy invited me to SPECTRE and I'm a proud member of this small SG in this dying world of CO PvP.
PvE is easymode & boringsauce. You guys must fill the gap with RP? GAG!
EDIT: I'm going to do my best to ignore everything else about this thread and refrain from further comments, so get in your last words, I am tired of repeating myself. Just stop being a hypocrite when it comes to Forum Rules and trolling.
Reference to an individual, no usage of plural when referring to said person, thread specifically made to call out someone who can't even post? Seems likely. Let's carry on.
Forums are a place of discussion, where you can share your opinion on a subject with others and hope to discuss on your and their views, providing arguments to counter theirs and in hope to eventually affect eachother's views.
This is not the case here.
If no one is willing to use a forum correctly, then I am curious as to what you think a forum is for, might make an interesting discussion(if it doesn't result in more of these squabbles).
Slightly offended, just slightly.
PS: Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
100% dodge builds are a rarity - I wouldn't consider that a meta-game shift. 1 Shot builds were obviously coming now that you didn't guarantee a dodge with just 25% dodge chance.
DM isn't around the games anymore at all, and I don't blame him. But some PTS testing only goes so far. Perhaps its the fact that you're using a different name on the forum? But I can't recall ever seeing you in the hero games before or after alert. If you were in there and I just never noticed you, my mistake. Things have changed a bit since the enrage AOPM FC builds were the norm.
The OP of that thread, aka YOUR friend, assumes everyone should build a certain way. YOU yourself assume a dedicated healer has an attack - THATs what is being addressed, not these personal attacks you keep to think this is about. It doesn't matter who said it, I would disagree with it based on my experience alone.
I'm not in this thread to defend a friend. I'm here trying to explain a concept that is seemingly lost in this vendetta that you apparently perceive to exist become someone disagrees with YOUR FRIEND.
Your friend plays a sole FF support with healing and some attacks and states effectively that all supports should do damage and that bubbles (ie preventative measures) and things of that nature are wasteful. Jewel was wanting to prove otherwise, and you yourself have said you feel the bubbles and iniquity and all that jazz is a waste.
So, if you feel that way - my challenge to you is this. Pug gravitar and win WITHOUT smoke grenade AND skarns bane. No sg mates, no friends, just yourself. Any use of smoke or skarn's negates that attempt for the sake of said challenge.
Tell me what your success rate is like - It's not hard to verify either, just watching for the smoke icon or whether or not she loses her passive.
I can remember all of one pug (q'd solo) where my sgmate Xeiros was on point keeping everyone up or healed and only having to rez when blocking was not possible (ie folks 1shot or 2shot)
I myself have managed to do the same on my lil Radiant at least once, so even an AT can do it. But I guarantee, when skarn's and/or smoke is out of the picture.
But ultimately challenge aside - I don't get critical and generalize that all players need to function a specific way, particularly beyond their main role. FF allows concept builds to be possible, not everyone is going to be optimized for this role or that, and they shouldn't have to be.
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I didn't understand about the meaning of "banned region" so i have to say sorry about it.
But I don't want anyone saying "My opinion is the only right way so do so" in game and that was the reason I posted this thread. There are no right answer about healing cause it changes in every situation as you said.
BTW, I was the first one who started Jumpy-jump healer. For take range from opponent, and to heal team and make AoE buffs work in wide range.
I don't think I'm doing wrong in healing.
What...What? Whaaaaat? What? No.
Let me check that link again...You posted this thread 2 days after you were told that the OP of the other thread was region banned from the forums. You also said, and I quote:
You knew full well what it meant and you're not winning any sympathy with these lies.
I knew he can't post to forum but didn't know he can't see forum or even do the game.
I thought he will come to Hero Game by reading this thread.
And this is why this thread has gone so far. Monaahiru, it sounded like you were insulting TechOwl, who did not and does not mean to offend people. She was trying to point out that attacking IS possible in PvE and is often more useful than spamming a heal on a full target. It is a common stereotype of younger (read: less mature) users in a game to challenge another player to a PvP fight to try to prove a point, so challenging TechOwl and dragging the conversation over here on top of it sounding like you understood that TechOwl would not be able to respond did not put you in a positive light. Since TechOwl had been attacked through that thread already, what you posted fit right alongside what I am saying now.
Look, we're accomplishing nothing this way. This is a silly arguement of two groups backing up their friends. Let's just agree to disagree without further insults to the skill or playstyles of the other group. The "real" thread is 'Dear healers.', so let's post our opinions there in hopes that some uninformed healers might read and learn from a group of people trying to help, and not two groups arguing.
EDIT: Typed out your full forums handle to prevent confusion. TechOwl uses a similar name as 'Monaa'.
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