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Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Super News Network
We thought we'd take a few minutes to share some tips on how to customize your hero with Mods and Fusion, allowing you to further fine tune your hero in the character you want.

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    *Blinks blinks twice irl* What? Um why wasen't this brought in after the patch came out?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    You think the catalysts aren't selling because people don't understand the mod system?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    could be i guess
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Er... I'm pretty sure that the in-game tutorials explain this best. The biggest issue is that you have a system that has smaller and smaller rewards. So a high level mod is less useful than the mod before it, and so on.

    I don't see a plethora of 'How do Mods Work' threads in the forums, so this seems ill timed, and very late.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    You forgot the most important part...
    ...You don't need anything above R5 until the level cap increases, so why buy catalysts? :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Brick_McDuggins wrote:
    You think the catalysts aren't selling because people don't understand the mod system?

    Boy did you nail that one on the head. This is the only reasonable explanation I can think of for why something like this would be posted this far after the On Alert release.

    In my honest opinion, the game died with the On Alert patch. It crammed in as many bugs as possible, it killed PvP, it killed Crafting, it killed the World! Nobody goes out exploring the zones anymore. Everyone is stuck in these damn Alerts, which are the weakest and laziest form of Content CO has to offer.

    Then they pull everyone out of CO an into other projects so there aren't enough devs around to fix any of this crap.

    Now we're about to see the forums die off and 1/4 of the playerbase is getting banned.

    PWE, if your plans for the CO community were to jack the prices on everything to weasel out as much money as possible before you yank the plug on CO then you might as well go ahead and yank it. Yank it all night if you have to!:mad:

    I hope we're a smart enough community as a whole to not give you another sent. I know you won't be getting any from me. Not unless things do a COMPLETE 180 around here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Gunarm wrote:
    *Blinks blinks twice irl* What? Um why wasen't this brought in after the patch came out?

    It was, they just wanted to bring it up again because they have a sale on overpriced Catalysts and want you to spend (by which I mean waste) money on them :rolleyes:
    CaptainCooltastic wrote:
    Boy did you nail that one on the head. This is the only reasonable explanation I can think of for why something like this would be posted this far after the On Alert release.

    In my honest opinion, the game died with the On Alert patch. It crammed in as many bugs as possible, it killed PvP, it killed Crafting, it killed the World! Nobody goes out exploring the zones anymore. Everyone is stuck in these damn Alerts, which are the weakest and laziest form of Content CO has to offer.

    Then they added Catalysts to the c-store and made them to most RIDICULOUSLY priced items in the ENTIRE history of CO. And we laughed at them for days and days and dozens uppon dozens of pages on the main thread telling them no one would buy them and explaining in great detail exactly why. But they didn't listen to us and kept the prices on the HUNDREDS of dollars just to deck out ONE single toon.

    Then they pull everyone out of CO an into other projects so there aren't enough devs around to fix any of this crap.

    Now we're about to see the forums die off and 1/4 of the playerbase is getting banned.

    PWE, if your plans for the CO community were to jack the prices on everything to weasel out as much money as possible before you yank the plug on CO then you might as well go ahead and yank it. Yank it all night if you have to!

    I hope we're a smart enough community as a whole to not give you another sent. I know you won't be getting any from me. Not unless things do a COMPLETE 180 around here.

    And THAT^ is the reason the stupid Catalysts are not selling (along with Caine's point that you don't need above R5 which was also brought up in that thread while we were laughing at them). Just wanted to add that relevant bit to your post in relation to this topic ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Khorax wrote:
    Er... I'm pretty sure that the in-game tutorials explain this best. The biggest issue is that you have a system that has smaller and smaller rewards. So a high level mod is less useful than the mod before it, and so on.

    I don't see a plethora of 'How do Mods Work' threads in the forums, so this seems ill timed, and very late.

    Late - yes. But nevertheless useful to to have some information available on the web site for people who do not have the game installed and wants to learn a bit what the game has to offer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Brick_McDuggins wrote:
    You think the catalysts aren't selling because people don't understand the mod system?
    I'd laugh at this if it wasn't probably true.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Remember to use Safeguard catalysts instead because they almost do the SAME thing as the upgrade catalysts. Save that they cost only a thousandth of the price.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I got couple of tells after explaining where to go and who to see about getting the basics of the modding. Something like this 'i didn't watch the video i just want to lear how to mod gear'.....'i went to see that guy, some cutscene started, skipped it. so how do i mod gear?'

    And that c-store stuff. Never, ever gonna use it. Never. Ever.
    ...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    VisionStorm wrote:
    And THAT^ is the reason the stupid Catalysts are not selling (along with Caine's point that you don't need above R5 which was also brought up in that thread while we were laughing at them). Just wanted to add that relevant bit to your post in relation to this topic ;)

    Heh, I was going to add that in somewhere but I must have forgotten too. Thx for giving it the finishing touches. Does this make us a Super Team?:eek: :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Wow. Talk about closing the barn door after the livestock has already escaped.... :rolleyes: This would've been nice to have a month or two ago, but by now it's frighteningly overdue.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    VisionStorm wrote:
    It was, they just wanted to bring it up again because they have a sale on overpriced Catalysts and want you to spend (by which I mean waste) money on them :rolleyes:



    And THAT^ is the reason the stupid Catalysts are not selling (along with Caine's point that you don't need above R5 which was also brought up in that thread while we were laughing at them). Just wanted to add that relevant bit to your post in relation to this topic ;)

    At least we can be happy that they don't made everything over R5 soo much better that it isn't worth
    going after them ;)

    Imagine ever Rank would give +20 more or whatever
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I would buy the rank up Catalysts if I felt that they were more reasonably priced.

    And by reasonably priced I do not mean a 20% discount off of a base price that is an order of magnitude (or more) too high.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Whoever is responsible for marketing decisions needs to.... Errrrrrr... needs to replace Bob Kotick who is obviously at the marketing office since the On Alert update... I guess.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Control, Anti Control and other MODS do not work G Crush.

    Also please just remove PvP Mods/Gear completely
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Jaybezz wrote:
    Also please just remove PvP Mods/Gear completely

    And change Health Cores and crap like that into Gamblers Luck. And whatever stupid idea was it
    to make all other quest rewards worth just 50c ? :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The third way to get mods is to do Lairs and Comic series, where bosses all have a chance to drop high-end mods.


    Got R6 mod at Lairs and that's the highest one I got so far.

    Anyone got more higher rank Mod from random drop?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Ok, let's try this again...
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    First, Crush, thanks for the info.
    That being said, too bad you couldn't share it when we first got the system... weeks ago.
    And not before a douche-y (and desperate?) sale...
    Painfully obvious what the intent is...

    Second, like I said back then:
    "Not gonna waste my time trying to get those!"
    (And certainly not money)

    Efreeta is decked in R6's, gathered from my old craft mats, and stuff picked in Alerts / nodes, slowly, as a side activity.

    World content is a joke (And I'll repeat: Regen toon, by far NOT the best defensive).
    Even the cheap attempt at making us suffer against Gravitar can't phase me.
    Bragging?
    Maybe. (Yeah obviously, but hey for once I'm proud of a toon... XD)
    Or this game is just stupid easy and nothing was done to make it more challenging (in the sense of "smart" challenge).
    Unless you consider pushing people away due to cheap techniques as "achieving greater challenge"...

    Third, the "most probable" people who could (potentially) have bought those, the PvP min-maxers, you took sweeeet care into p!ssing off and pushing away.
    Bad move, very bad move...

    Bah, if you didn't get it by now, you never will: NOT GOING TO BUY THAT SH!T.

    Ps: to make it clear, only addressing Crush in point 1. Rest is aimed at the company in general.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Jaybezz wrote:
    Control, Anti Control and other MODS do not work G Crush.

    Also please just remove PvP Mods/Gear completely

    There's PvP in this game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    StormShade wrote:
    We thought we'd take a few minutes to share some tips on how to customize your hero with Mods and Fusion, allowing you to further fine tune your hero in the character you want.

    Link to the Article

    I can't believe that we are being taken for such idiots. This guy can continue to try and sell us crap while at the same time completely ignoring all our requests for communication. Pathetic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'll be frankly with you Stormshade, and at the same time I will try to not chop down the tree from its feet but I rather buy hundreds of your little Grab bags before I ever touch one of those overpriced catalyst, and who knows how much I hate Grab bags.

    This post doesn't explain more what the tutorial video already provides, and if the real point was to inform people (wich isn't the case) you would have explained tu us how Catalyst worked a couples of week ago or when "CO : On Alert" came out. Also you should change a couple sentences in this article because "Safeguard Catalyst" are getting consummed when you succeed a fusion and it would be very shamefull if someone should complain for lying advertisement because of a little in game bug/mistake.

    Finally, there is no purpose in this article. All you are trying to do is to sell out a bad marketing decision and you are making another bad decision by taking people for idiots when we clearly learned how those Catalyst worked and a lot of tutorial infos were already added in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    There should be a part detailing enhancements.... and what slots blue and purple upgrades get and where enhancements can be put in (they can't go in green upgrades that's for sure).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Nice sales pitch here, but um...
    Catalysts are consumed regardless of whether you succeed or fail, but there is a special kind of catalyst: insurance catalysts, which are only consumed if you fail, and will protect you from losing a mod if you do!

    Insurance Catalysts??
    I assume you are actually referring to Safeguard Catalysts and that this is a very outdated draft.

    Safeguards... which, in reality, are being consumed whether it fails or not.

    Bugs. Fix them, please.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Kemeiki wrote:
    Nice sales pitch here, but um...



    Insurance Catalysts??
    I assume you are actually referring to Safeguard Catalysts and that this is a very outdated draft.

    Safeguards... which, in reality, are being consumed whether it fails or not.

    Bugs. Fix them, please.

    This has been reported previously. The individual who posted that article has been informed about this matter. He chose to make a false statement, fully knowing that it was inaccurate, seemingly for the sake of getting money from those who believed him.

    I had a salesman who worked for me a few years back. He used the above described technique to pad his sales numbers. I fired him for lying to our customers and explained to the rest of my staff that a liar, even one whose lies result in short term sales increases, hurts everyone on the team. A customer's ongoing trust is entirely too valuable to waste.

    I wonder if Cryptic is willing to take a similar action to bolster their reputation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Kemeiki wrote:
    Nice sales pitch here, but um...

    Insurance Catalysts??
    I assume you are actually referring to Safeguard Catalysts and that this is a very outdated draft.

    Safeguards... which, in reality, are being consumed whether it fails or not.

    Bugs. Fix them, please.
    Ashen_X wrote:
    This has been reported previously. The individual who posted that article has been informed about this matter. He chose to make a false statement, fully knowing that it was inaccurate, seemingly for the sake of getting money from those who believed him.

    I had a salesman who worked for me a few years back. He used the above described technique to pad his sales numbers. I fired him for lying to our customers and explained to the rest of my staff that a liar, even one whose lies result in short term sales increases, hurts everyone on the team. A customer's ongoing trust is entirely too valuable to waste.

    I wonder if Cryptic is willing to take a similar action to bolster their reputation.
    Ooooohhhh, how wonderful...
    Plain lie or total incompetence...
    Marvelous... just perfect...

    Sometimes, people DO deserve every drop of the hate they get...

    I don't suppose we'll get an answer to that either, will we?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'd like to have these mod's from rank 7-9 actually have a significant jump in stats considering how much work you have to go through just to get those mods. I don't think anyone really is going to spend money on those upgrade catalysts when that stat increase isn't worth the money they are charging. And that 20% off discount still isn't worth it. Increase the stat value for those lvls so people feel like its worth the money to buy the upgrades cause right now its laughable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    meh... just bring back special click gear drops from bosses. so i have atleast something to grind for...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I wasn't going to say this, but since the dogpile's here, I will.

    I don't give a damn. You don't need mods over level 5 the way your system works unless you're a completist. And if you did need them and I had to buy this crap to enjoy the game again I'd have to ask why I was even bothering to play the game you're determined to ruin for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The only problem I've really had with the Mod & Fusion system is that leveling your crafting skill seems to rapidly escalate in difficulty, to the point that even going out of my way to grab extra nodes, I haven't been able to keep up with the tiers on gathering nodes with characters that I've leveled after the change-over. Fusing doesn't really seem to add a lot to that either.

    This kinda bugs me, because one of the few things that the old system got RIGHT was that it was fairly easy to keep up with the nodes in the areas you'd quest in, because Researching trash items gave a lot of skill ups.

    I understand that the skill rank has become significantly more valuable because now it relates to success chances, but it's incredibly frustrating to out-level gathering nodes, because it means you either need to stop leveling and go back and farm nodes, or stop gathering and fall further and further behind.

    Is there something I'm missing?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    No, you aren't missing anything.
    The craft need some patience and effort, but less than in the other mmos, especially the old ones where you wasn't able to be a legendary crafter (maximum level of crafting) in less of 6 months even if you were playing a lot.
    The crafting here to be at 400 is a baby craft. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    CaptainCooltastic wrote:
    PWE, if your plans for the CO community were to jack the prices on everything to weasel out as much money as possible before you yank the plug on CO then you might as well go ahead and yank it. Yank it all night if you have to!:mad:.

    And you totally nailed that one on the head.

    This "crafting tutorial post" (which contains the exact same information you get from Max Planck durring the in-game crafting tutorial, btw.) as a marketing trick for a ridiculously obvious scam implies to me that our PWE managers do not only have the behaviour, but also the IQ of tapeworms. :rolleyes:

    And seeing that Gentleman Crush is the author just makes me sad. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Cosmics should drop rank 7-9 :P muahahahahha
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Cosmics should drop rank 7-9 :P muahahahahha

    Honestly the should be dropping epic gear and right now they like most of the higher tier bosses dont drop anything or total and complete crap, hell cosmics dont drop anything special all they drop is gear like a normal mob, you could farm viper soldiers and get the same exact drops. This was also pointed out to crush and something else they promised us the Legacy vendor was yet again not added, more broken promises on cryptics part.

    Take everything special from the game so they can force feed you crap you never wanted, because that's a great business model.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Nothing to add that hasn't already been pointed out multiple times already. Catalysts aren't selling for you very well eh Cryptic?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ok, you've posted the "Mods and Fusions Guide for Morons", do you have anything new to tell us about it that can't be obtained by taking 5 seconds to experiment with the system? Its really not that hard! I also find keeping your back straight, switching your brain off and wearing padding on your clicking finger really makes the process more manageable. You might want to actually add those to the guide. Some good stuff right there.

    Anyway, the sales pitch completely failed. If you actually managed to make sales on the catalyst off of this tripe, then quite honestly you are taking advantage of people who are clearly not right in the head. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

    And sorry to anyone who actually did fall for this... I'm sorry. I can't say anymore than that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We should all file a CS ticket referencing this document and ask where/how these "Insurance Catalysts" may be obtained. I know I'm going to do so. :D

    Tell all your friends to do the same.

    Maybe if a couple hundred tickets come in this week, someone in charge might notice and changes may result? :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    this is what i think about all this modding/crafting...

    1. bring back the option to break down equipment to mods, catalysts and safeguards. and allow leveling of skill when equipment are broken down.
    2. if we have a q-hour every odd time, why not have a mod/catalyst/safeguard hour where the drop rate increases by a larger percentage. better yet, if not increase the drop rate, increase the level of mods/catalysts/safeguards dropped.
    3. get rid of the level-based nodes and make the nodes rank up your skill level.
    4. increase the number of nodes by, let's say, 100%.

    maybe, just maybe, this might make things more happy in co.

    my 2 pennies, dan =)
  • jinkairiujinkairiu Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Damn you nerds!
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