If the framework could be expanded beyond just sound (as in vibrations propagated through a medium) to "vibration" generally, that opens up even more possibilities. I'm thinking of things like the Flash's vibrating touch to cut or shatter things, or vibrating his atoms to phase through solid matter.
A couple of official Champions villains have "vibration" as the Special Effect of their powers. Vibron can vibrate his body at super speed, letting him phase through objects, "glide" over surfaces at great speed, cut through matter like a buzz-saw, strike with a flurry of punches in a fraction of a second, or fire "vibro blasts." SARGON wears a suit of armor equipped with cannons firing "vibratory energy" in various configurations, for straight force, vibrations that shatter, or that can even cause intense localized earthquakes. (They're both in Champions Villains Vol. 3.)
If the framework could be expanded beyond just sound (as in vibrations propagated through a medium) to "vibration" generally, that opens up even more possibilities. I'm thinking of things like the Flash's vibrating touch to cut or shatter things, or vibrating his atoms to phase through solid matter.
A couple of official Champions villains have "vibration" as the Special Effect of their powers. Vibron can vibrate his body at super speed, letting him phase through objects, "glide" over surfaces at great speed, cut through matter like a buzz-saw, strike with a flurry of punches in a fraction of a second, or fire "vibro blasts." SARGON wears a suit of armor equipped with cannons firing "vibratory energy" in various configurations, for straight force, vibrations that shatter, or that can even cause intense localized earthquakes. (They're both in Champions Villains Vol. 3.)
Now we are talking!
That's the perfect expansion of the original framework idea
May also add that we have Vibration Aura pack from Zstore, which I always used for my Sonic/Music theme characters
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To be fair...in the big book of powers...there is a sonic set and a vibration set...they are separate in the "Champions Powers" book and are quite interesting.
...I am pretty sure someone on the Dev team has access to this as well as general lore for the game...
I say that because I remember coming across this image in my powers book, a few days before Hyper Voice was announced...and generally wishing we did have an actual Sonic Set.
...I am pretty sure someone on the Dev team has access to this as well as general lore for the game...
I wonder how many plans are there to take use of that lore however
I mean... im pretty sure all the Loyal Sidekicks added so far in lockboxes for revamps are Original creations and don't belong in the original lore
To be fair...in the big book of powers...there is a sonic set and a vibration set...they are separate in the "Champions Powers" book and are quite interesting.
is that the case? hmm
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So my initial thought was it'd be an Energy Projector set, but at that point it comes dangerously close to the Force powerset in terms of overall visuals. A Bard theme seems alright but over-specialized in my mind. Not really sure what a decent middle ground would be.
So my initial thought was it'd be an Energy Projector set, but at that point it comes dangerously close to the Force powerset in terms of overall visuals. A Bard theme seems alright but over-specialized in my mind. Not really sure what a decent middle ground would be.
it is isnt it?
in the end a sonic powerframe may end up like Gadgets, a lot of different stuff together
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Well, if you were eight feet tall and weighed half a ton, but had your junk constantly squashed by seemingly-indestructible purple pants normally worn by a man a fraction of your size, you're be screaming and constantly angry, too...
In comic-book science "energy" can take many forms, including some that real-world science doesn't recognize. In PnP Champs many of the ultra-tech blasters wielded by various parties utilize something called "pulson energy." Many of the super entities from the depths of space wield "cosmic energy." Tangible darkness may be a form of energy. "Magic" can be its own distinctive type of energy.
'cosmic energy'...what do you wanna bet that gets changed to 'dark energy' at some point down the line, since that's actually a real scientific thing that's just as poorly-understood as dark matter?
I doubt it for the foreseeable future. They both have venerable comic-book traditions as their own distinctive things, visually and in terms of some effects.
So my initial thought was it'd be an Energy Projector set, but at that point it comes dangerously close to the Force powerset in terms of overall visuals. A Bard theme seems alright but over-specialized in my mind. Not really sure what a decent middle ground would be.
How is Bard over-specialized and Archery not? Archery is limited to a single weapon type, not even a variety of them. Bard can include every instrument ever created as well as anything doing with the voice. It's not like musical instruments couldn't be part of a general Sonic set. They were shoved into Heavy Weapons, what's the difference?
Screams can be technological - check out the Flash/Arrow crossover episode where Cisco creates a Canary Cry device for the Black Canary.
Overall, I'd have to call it a variation on Energy Projection - which can be tech just as easily as mutant power or magic. Using a flamethrower is functionally equivalent to blasting fire out of your hands or summoning flame, after all.
But it matters in terms of presentation.
Hard to use the fire framework powers and claim that your character has some super-flamethrower or the electric framework and talk about how you have an electro-blast pistol.
If they make a variety of sonic weapons or even different musical instruments through which the powers come then that limits the concept more.
It's fine for some frameworks because the weapon is the power. A sword, gun(s), or bow, for example. Staples of the genre.
But I don't think that every sonic user in any such hypothetical framework should be forced to fit into a more narrow concept because someone thinks that the specialization "looks cool", such as with a sonic user channeling different powers through different instruments.
In some genres or settings this may be fine, but in a "superhero" game, I think that the broadest presentation is best if they can only give us one presentation, and to me that is putting the set into the energy projector category and the powers all coming from the character with no built-in foci.
Want to be a "bard"? Add a musical instrument to your character's back and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with instruments.
Sure, it would be great if every power/framework had alternate presentations; That a character could have a super-flamethrower for the fire set if they wanted one. Unfortunately, that's not an option.
Something else that would be cool, dance moves. We have all kinds of dance emotes. It's not a stretch to say someone gyrating their hips does sonic damage. Crowd control effects could easily fit with that too.
"Want to be a "bard"? Add a musical instrument to your character's back and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with instruments."
Want to be a generic energy projector? Add a music note aura to your Force / Wind character and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with another set that looks exactly like every other energy projection set with minor changes in visual effects.
The Gadget set has all kinds of random stuff in it. A sonic set can be like that with all kinds of random sonic damage dealing abilities. Me wanting to see bard stuff doesn't exclude other powers from being able to existing. Why people are making this argument is beyond me. How does someone screaming fit into the Punching People In the Face tree? It doesn't but there it is anyway.
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A couple of official Champions villains have "vibration" as the Special Effect of their powers. Vibron can vibrate his body at super speed, letting him phase through objects, "glide" over surfaces at great speed, cut through matter like a buzz-saw, strike with a flurry of punches in a fraction of a second, or fire "vibro blasts." SARGON wears a suit of armor equipped with cannons firing "vibratory energy" in various configurations, for straight force, vibrations that shatter, or that can even cause intense localized earthquakes. (They're both in Champions Villains Vol. 3.)
Now we are talking!
That's the perfect expansion of the original framework idea
May also add that we have Vibration Aura pack from Zstore, which I always used for my Sonic/Music theme characters
...I am pretty sure someone on the Dev team has access to this as well as general lore for the game...
I say that because I remember coming across this image in my powers book, a few days before Hyper Voice was announced...and generally wishing we did have an actual Sonic Set.
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I wonder how many plans are there to take use of that lore however
I mean... im pretty sure all the Loyal Sidekicks added so far in lockboxes for revamps are Original creations and don't belong in the original lore
is that the case? hmm
"My shoulder pops so loudly the noise hurts others!"
With the usage of Technology themed Drones/Discs/Megaphones/Dimensional Wormholes/Whirlpools being summoned in the shoulder area
just like your character pops up a minigun/rocket lancher out of nowever in PA
it is isnt it?
in the end a sonic powerframe may end up like Gadgets, a lot of different stuff together
Electricity and Energy are two separate sets for the purpose of Champions Lore books on Powers.
I've always wanted a pure energy set, but Electricity will have to do for now and for however long we don't have one lol.
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How is Bard over-specialized and Archery not? Archery is limited to a single weapon type, not even a variety of them. Bard can include every instrument ever created as well as anything doing with the voice. It's not like musical instruments couldn't be part of a general Sonic set. They were shoved into Heavy Weapons, what's the difference?
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Hard to use the fire framework powers and claim that your character has some super-flamethrower or the electric framework and talk about how you have an electro-blast pistol.
If they make a variety of sonic weapons or even different musical instruments through which the powers come then that limits the concept more.
It's fine for some frameworks because the weapon is the power. A sword, gun(s), or bow, for example. Staples of the genre.
But I don't think that every sonic user in any such hypothetical framework should be forced to fit into a more narrow concept because someone thinks that the specialization "looks cool", such as with a sonic user channeling different powers through different instruments.
In some genres or settings this may be fine, but in a "superhero" game, I think that the broadest presentation is best if they can only give us one presentation, and to me that is putting the set into the energy projector category and the powers all coming from the character with no built-in foci.
Want to be a "bard"? Add a musical instrument to your character's back and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with instruments.
Sure, it would be great if every power/framework had alternate presentations; That a character could have a super-flamethrower for the fire set if they wanted one.
Unfortunately, that's not an option.
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"Want to be a "bard"? Add a musical instrument to your character's back and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with instruments."
Want to be a generic energy projector? Add a music note aura to your Force / Wind character and roll with it. Better that, to me, than saddling everyone else with another set that looks exactly like every other energy projection set with minor changes in visual effects.
The Gadget set has all kinds of random stuff in it. A sonic set can be like that with all kinds of random sonic damage dealing abilities. Me wanting to see bard stuff doesn't exclude other powers from being able to existing. Why people are making this argument is beyond me. How does someone screaming fit into the Punching People In the Face tree? It doesn't but there it is anyway.
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