Quad walks and no chest for girls!

xangelarcx · August 2017

Hi! I thought it might be nice to suggest an option for a new stance for avatars that walk on four legs as well as an option for female characters to ex-nay on the boob-ays.

megaskullmon · August 2017

I agree to this Thumbs up!

duskenradholm · August 2017

I second the notion of these options, though I'd understand the possible difficulty in the former option, considering the skeletons of player models. I'd love to see being able to make more bestial characters more easily, these options would definitely work for it (as well as making it easier to make effeminate males for those who like that sort of deal).

spinnytop · August 2017

Well we have that beast stance where you walk on four legs. If you give some examples of the specific gait you'd like to see it would help to make it a reality.

Fixing the boob sliders so you can have a flat chest without making it look like your chest is trying to eat your costume would be nice - we been asking for it for a while... which unfortunately means they probably tried to fix it and couldn't.

legendarylycan · August 2017

before they add more 'all fours' gaits, i'd prefer they fix the one that already plays when you're in beast stance and using a speed-based travel power like athletics/acrobatics or superspeed/mach speed

the forward appendages (whether they be paws, hands or whatever) are spread outward at a 45 degree angle while the character is moving and it looks ridiculous

spinnytop · August 2017

shadowfang240 said:

the forward appendages (whether they be paws, hands or whatever) are spread outward at a 45 degree angle while the character is moving and it looks ridiculous

I think that looks awesome o.o

So rather than a "fix" this is more likely to be acceptably resolved in the same way that some people though acrobatics needed to be "fixed" cause of ninja arms, but instead of doing that and taking it away from all the people who liked it they made athletics... which I think looks doofy as heck :'D

championshewolf · August 2017

'taur characters are not happening. Like ever. Since that would require a brand new set of animations and terrain support, and this game just doesn't have that kind of budget. So, yea. If you mean walking on all fours, that is unlikely to be updated either. Again, would require new sets of animations.

chaosdrgnz43 · August 2017

I'd love galloping on all fours. Not fond of bestial stance because of the crouch, and the run with tp looks like a wierd monkey run.

aesica · August 2017

The flat-chest-for-women "fix" isn't a trivial thing to do which is why it's likely to never happen. They'd have to edit any textures with shading created to accent the boob shape, but that might cause characters with boobs to suddenly look a lot worse than before. The only other real option is to update the way in which this game's models are rendered to something more modern, but good luck pulling that off with a tiny dev team having to go neck deep through a sea of ancient, likely unmaintained, potato code.

While it's certainly reasonable to request that any future costumes be created with small and large chested models in mind, expecting them to go back and fix existing costume pieces is unrealistic.

xangelarcx · August 2017

To reiterate, I am suggesting a QUADRUPEDAL character stance. Not centaur characters (though that would be cool it sounds like way too much work for the devs). As for what kind of quad walk? Please see the dogz cur in-game. I believe it to be an acceptable alternative stance for beastial characters and since it's already in-game it should be less work for the developers to give it to players?

Further, if people could refrain from having discussions not related to the topic that'd be much appreciated thanks!

omnilord · August 2017

I do think that we could at least use an alternative to the Beastial stance. For instance there's the Huge, and the Huge Beastial stances. They're not dramatically different from each other, but just enough to really nail down a toon's theme. So having the Beastial and then some other type of feral stance with new motions would be pretty cool.

For the boob issue, I've seen so many toon's with waif physiques look horrible because it looks like their torso's imploding. So maybe finding a way to not have that pit appear once the proportions are taken to a certain point would be good.

I don't have any suggestions on how to accomplish these, just sharing my opinion on the OP's first post.

avianos · August 2017

omnilord#8416 wrote: »

I do think that we could at least use an alternative to the Beastial stance. For instance there's the Huge, and the Huge Beastial stances. They're not dramatically different from each other, but just enough to really nail down a toon's theme. So having the Beastial and then some other type of feral stance with new motions would be pretty cool. .

I second this, I actually really hate the Beastial stance because it force the character to duck while Idle

If there was a Variation where the character switched from standing on two legs while idling and walking on four while walking/running, I would use it

hasukurobi · August 2017

championshewolf said:
I was curious as well and the only reason I can think of is for a femboy, or loli which is typically used for one specific thing. But never mind, it's not worth going over.

What about a Robot that you do not want to be hulking due to the ridiculously large male model? Or a reptile female like a lizard, snake, or dinosaur, or dragon which would obviously not HAVE breasts (... Because ya'know... They are reptiles and not mammals.). Or even maybe a manimal that would possibly not display human cleavage? Or an alien who has females that do not have breasts.

spinnytop · August 2017

xangelarcx said:
As for what kind of quad walk? Please see the dogz cur in-game. I believe it to be an acceptable alternative stance for beastial characters and since it's already in-game it should be less work for the developers to give it to players?

Those are the like, really dog-like ones right? That'd be neat! A walk cycle that's literally just walking like a dog - the current beast walk is basically "im trying to walk like a dog but my back legs are so long, hng!". Only issue I could see there is how that would look with human limbs... or rather, any extreme warping issues with the actual mesh if it isn't made for it.

legendarylycan · August 2017

i don't see that being much of an issue, since as i recall, the cur still has mostly-human limbs

so the animation shouldn't warp TOO horribly

spinnytop · August 2017

Yeah... another problem might be it has an entirely different skeleton than the player...

zemmax · August 2017

I think we need to increase bewb slider 200%

spinnytop · August 2017

zemmax said:
I think we need to increase bewb slider 200%

I agree o3o

themightyzenith · August 2017

aesica said:
"untz untz untz untz untz"

I was tapping my feet to that until I realised what their evil, godless agenda was.

legendarylycan · August 2017

is 'untz' the sound someone makes when they twerk?

themightyzenith · August 2017

Only if they have dislocated their hip.

catstarsto · August 2017

zemmax said:
I think we need to increase bewb slider 200%

^^;

...they stared by asking for reduce size for none appearing, that would be funny if the devs listen to you instead.

^OP: "me own thread too..!"

bluhman · August 2017

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This discussion now probably makes no sense now that I deleted a ton of posts but it wasn't going anywhere good, and I certainly didn't get the impression that the OP had any subliminal ideas with their suggestions. Could we not get all uppity and political about boobs in the future? Thanks.

I'd love to see both of these things put in. In particular Neverwinter has a really nice animation set for the Nothic enemies, which have an idle stance like this:

The running animation for it is slow though, since they're like 2x as big as a player, so some other animation solution probably would need to be figured out for that.

I wouldn't say it's entirely out of the realm to get a new animation in some way. Consider that the Peace dance emote was a newly-created animation, so there is some kind of potential for an animation added to the game.

As for removing the chest shadow - that probably wouldn't be out of the question at all, considering some of the other miscellaneous utility parts we've gotten in the past. Like, a head without ears. I have no idea what I'd use it for, but I'm glad it got included anyways.

catstarsto · August 2017

bluhman said:
Like, a head without ears. I have no idea what I'd use it for, but I'm glad it got included anyways.

characters with serpent or mammal ears to replace human ones

...since he asked for quads, would it possible for mechanics for Dryders and floating outer planar beings like beholders bodys?? Something other then just basic humanoid?

themightyzenith · August 2017

xangelarcx said:
Hi! I thought it might be nice to suggest an option for a new stance for avatars that walk on four legs

What sort of stance did you have in mind?

xangelarcx said:
as well as an option for female characters to ex-nay on the boob-ays.

Sure, why not. More options is always good. There are plenty things that were introduced to the tailor that I never thought I'd need but then found a perfect use for.

omnilord · August 2017

Oh. I guess my last post was deleted because what I quoted had some of that "other" talk in it. Anyways, I'd be all for some non-humanoid forms, or more stances that are more feral than most of the ones already available.

The Beast stance we already have is okay, but I see why some say that it's silly/awkward.

spinnytop · August 2017

catstarsto said:
^^;

...they stared by asking for reduce size for none appearing, that would be funny if the devs listen to you instead.

Who? Who asked for that? People wanted a more effective flat chest, not overall reduced size.

Also increasing the upper end of the breast slider by 200% and making the flat chest end less ruinous are not mutually exclusive, and I support both.

PS - op wasn't asking for centaurs. The beholders and nagas and what not that you're asking for are, to say the least, unrealistic unless some major work is put in making a system that allows players to use multiple skeletons, or that makes our one skeleton much more versatile

aesica · August 2017

200% for boob sizes might be a mistake. Long ago, I tried one of PWE's other games, PWI. Let's just say the sliders are quite "generous" with their minimum and maximum settings.

xangelarcx · August 2017

....holy tacos. Why did this devolve into a boob and centaur discussion? Keep it simple people! The devs aren't miracle working robots. They have lives too! But the idea was to give us an option for being able to make characters like the dogz cur which walk effectively on all fours and do not return to a weird, crouched bipedal stance when idle. As well as some sort of chest-flattener if possible (though I know that one is very hard and I appreciate the effort that would take. Though would it be possible to allow use of the male skeleton in the female selection for that purpose? But with female costume pieces? That might be a fix? It's just a thought...).

No offtopics please!....and I definitely wasn't thinking of lolis when I came up with this. It was more for alien or beastial characters which lack human features.

spinnytop · August 2017

Yeah well lolis are a part of it whether you want them or not

Also how could you be surprised that people talked about boobs... you started the thread talking about them... you can't then say that they're off topic in a post where you're still talking about them xD

Switching skeletons would probably make the meshes implode, since various nodes would no longer have any bones to attach to. Chest flattening would have to be done via sliders. The only real non-slider solution is upper body and chest layer pieces that come pre-flattened, but boobed costume pieces you put on top would still be boobed.

Btw there are currently a few costume pieces that will effectively de-boob your character. Armor Tesla and the Krampus chest piece are two that spring to mind. If you give them some ideas via pictures or sketches maybe whoever makes new costume pieces might make some stuff for ya ^_^

Quad walks and no chest for girls!

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