What lair do you want an EPIC version of next?

sigmaseven0 · February 2016

wraithshadow13 · February 2016

Nemesis Confrontation

To be honest, I'd rather they went through and fixed the game or added actual power sets and such rather than just rehashing old (often unplayed) content, or adding more grind missions for minimal rewards.

The only reason I voted Nemesis confrontation is because the Nemesis system needs a lot of love and updating in general.

zamuelpwe · February 2016

Stronghold Prison

Stronghold. Powerful villain that's a major player in the lore in a non lvl 40 instance feels more like something that should get a revamp.

I didn't choose NemCon since it's already lvl 40 but more Nemesis stuff is good as well.

spinnytop · February 2016

Therakiels Temple

I love that they're re-using old content to make new content. It's cost effective, makes my nostalgia tingle, and it makes content that was largely sitting around unused actually be relevant again.

That said, Therakial's Temple is the coolest lair in the game. That final room alone is a hype explosion.

chaelk · February 2016

Burial Caves

Purple Reign- with the original number of mobs

emperornf · February 2016

Thick as Thieves (I know it's not a lair, b-but...)
Not even kidding, a version of TaT on steroids, if you will. With elements of other westside missions combined.
Assisted not just by Defender but his entire crew, fighting against buffed versions of each westside villain.
It could be a large lair with NemCon-esque rooms where heroes assist your team against each boss.
Match-ups like: Defender vs Hi-Pan, Ironclad vs Ludwig, Sapphire vs Zoe Loft, Kinetic vs Kevin Poe, Witchcraft vs Frank Zaretti.
Hi-Pan's dragon buddy could be the final boss.
The thing is, westside doesn't get enough love and players move through it too fast these days.

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rianfrost · February 2016

im in the similar mindset as wraith. lairs aren't really something interesting to me, so i'm hoping we start seeing some new pvp missions, small zones and powers soon, its been a long while. pvpers got something, people who like "raid" content got something, waiting for our turn now.

avianos · February 2016

Therakiels Temple

Club Caprice obviously, it will be Horrific

championshewolf · February 2016

Dr. Destroyer's Robot Factory

I'd have to give it up for Dr. Destroyer's factory. It would be a good way to reinvent the rooms and make them straight up boss fights with unique mechanics and a way to introduce several of Dr. Destroyer's lackeys that are missing from the game including;
Flachion - Mutant dual blade user whose mental powers alter the perceptions of those around him.
Meteor - A super strong speedster who can phase through walls.
Spectra - Super Villainous made of pure energy that uses energy projection powers.
Tarantula - Akimbo pistoleer that can induce vertigo on his foes but also able to walk on walls.

Could also re-introduce Gigaton since we've technically not seen him as a boss for ages, and finally, re-introduce Dr. Destroyer's Destroyer agents as a new type of foe instead of just plain Destroids.

My second vote, of course, goes to Stronghold because that lair was completely misused and under utilized. It should have been a multi-man dungeon instead of a soloable instance, especially with some of the strongest super villains there, and the fact it made Mention a lil' **** at the end, the worlds' most powerful mentalist, was disappointing.

squirrelloid · February 2016

Why is there not a 'none' choice? I'd much rather have more comic series or something else that can be done pre-40 as well as at 40 than an 'epic lair'.

chaelk · February 2016

Burial Caves

small group of Devs, may be able to do another lair. Comic series would probably, require more.

just pick one and write in what you actually want

squirrelloid · February 2016

chaelk said:
small group of Devs, may be able to do another lair. Comic series would probably, require more.

just pick one and write in what you actually want

Comic Series effort depends entirely on how many new maps they needed to make. Aftershock demonstrates you can likely do a lot with existing assets. For example, there are a pile of west side sewer and warehouse maps - what happens in the power vacuum of West Side after Hi Pan kills most of his rivals and then you shut him down? A comic series based around that kind of storyline could easily be done with minimal new art assets (villain / lackey design can be done via tailor, doesn't require any asset creation).

Of course, I'd really like a Dark Seraph story, or some follow-up to White Out, but no guarantee those could be done with minimal art assets.

Probably the best thing a small team could do would be to develop some procedural content generation (aka random maps), since its vastly more 'unique' content for the time invested. And this shouldn't be that hard to do - random map generation predates personal computers after all.

sigmaseven0 · February 2016

Stronghold Prison

wraithshadow13 said:

The only reason I voted Nemesis confrontation is because the Nemesis system needs a lot of love and updating in general.

Actually, I voted for Stronghold, but I think the Nemesis system is one of COs under used unique strengths. I'll change my vote to Nemcon and I would like someone other than shadow destroyer mastermind it this time.

squirrelloid said:
Why is there not a 'none' choice? I'd much rather have more comic series or something else that can be done pre-40 as well as at 40 than an 'epic lair'.

Because that's what this thread is about.

championshewolf · February 2016

Dr. Destroyer's Robot Factory

squirrelloid wrote: »

Comic Series effort depends entirely on how many new maps they needed to make. Aftershock demonstrates you can likely do a lot with existing assets. For example, there are a pile of west side sewer and warehouse maps - what happens in the power vacuum of West Side after Hi Pan kills most of his rivals and then you shut him down? A comic series based around that kind of storyline could easily be done with minimal new art assets (villain / lackey design can be done via tailor, doesn't require any asset creation).

Of course, I'd really like a Dark Seraph story, or some follow-up to White Out, but no guarantee those could be done with minimal art assets.

Probably the best thing a small team could do would be to develop some procedural content generation (aka random maps), since its vastly more 'unique' content for the time invested. And this shouldn't be that hard to do - random map generation predates personal computers after all.

I seriously doubt procedural map making is all that simple. The tech may predate X time, but it still requires programming and engineering time and QA time, test time etc. Hell, even CoH's procedural maps were just several pre-set files that were expanded upon slightly so they weren't so much random as randomly chosen presets. And to be blunt, I think it's fairly obvious while they might have been good ideas, the adventure packs and comic series didn't do all that well at player retention, especially considering they were mostly only fun once for many people. And again, one of the things that people have been craving is dungeon content.

xcelsior41 · February 2016

Personally, I'd have to see how its done. TA has promise, but ultimately it's just HP/Gear based more than mechanics(don't get me wrong, their there, and very relevant, it's just that..HP tends to play a lead role). If this is the route everything will go(Gear/HP dependent, not being sublime for ATs as well as FF.) Then none.

championshewolf · February 2016

Dr. Destroyer's Robot Factory

xcelsior41 wrote: »

Personally, I'd have to see how its done. TA has promise, but ultimately it's just HP/Gear based more than mechanics(don't get me wrong, their there, and very relevant, it's just that..HP tends to play a lead role). If this is the route everything will go(Gear/HP dependent, not being sublime for ATs as well as FF.) Then none.

We had a few low HP and under geared people that disagree with this assessment.

xrazamax · February 2016

Dr. Destroyer's Robot Factory

Destroy or Stronghold would be awesome. I'm sure before I ran Therakiel's lair 300 times over the summer last year I would have been down for that too

captainhunter1 · February 2016

None.

I'd rather see them throw the little dev time CO gets at adding to the best part of the game - the Nemesis system (and no, I don't mean 'epicfy' it.

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spinnytop · February 2016

Therakiels Temple

xcelsior41 said:
Personally, I'd have to see how its done. TA has promise, but ultimately it's just HP/Gear based more than mechanics(don't get me wrong, their there, and very relevant, it's just that..HP tends to play a lead role). If this is the route everything will go(Gear/HP dependent, not being sublime for ATs as well as FF.) Then none.

I have now taken two characters of mine with around 5k hp into TA. The lair is not HP dependent ( unless you're a tank, but duh ). One of those is my power armor character who is about as defensively capable as your average dps archetype ( and less capable than some even ). The other is Kagami who, admittedly, is a badass. A badass with 5,030 hit points, but a badass nonetheless. She's a shoujo after all.

I have also taken two archetypes in there - not mine, but other players. One was a Glaciar who did an amazing job dealing with adds, the other was a Behemoth that did the main tanking while I handled adds. I would have no problem taking in a healer or dps AT either, and I see no reason why we wouldn't complete the place with them in the party. The main thing that matters is how good you are at doing the mechanics - that's the different between a messy frustrating wipefest, and a smooth one hour run.

Oddly enough, ATs are becoming hard to find in this game... wonder if that FF slot giveaway had something to do with that.

chaelk · February 2016

Burial Caves

can I vote twice; changing all the rewards on missions to gear, where you pick the stats

mijjestic · February 2016

Burial Caves

Also, use heal debuffing scarily. And find a way to do something fun and cool without 2 billion damage spikes. It's played out, now.

pantagruel01 · February 2016

Stronghold Prison

I want Stronghold. With imprisoned previously defeated nemeses.

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