From the news section of the Game page: "We also have a new Archetype for Silver Players: the Chiller! The Chiller is a Ranged Archetype with Ice Powers, including the new Icicle Spear! The Chiller is available on the ZEN Store, or you can get it from the Toy Drive Store during the Winter Event!"
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Single target damage is still a bit high for ice.
THis is with a ratation of Icicle Spear, Ice blast, Firesnake, Ice Sheat.
With these stats
Also notice the max hit, that is 19.8k + 6.2k (from the Chill bonus), getting 26k damage on one spammable attack, that you can follow up with 2 Rimfire Bursts due to the 1 point adv and Firesnake. Comparing this to the Lightning build I am usually using on Lyn, it does higher damage, better spike attacks, better control, similar (or better) survivability, worse but adequate energy management. So all in all I think Ice is a bit OP.
If the idea is sets get in-set resistance debuffs, Firesnake should probably be changed to only do a fire resistance debuff or maybe even attacks in the fire set (to limit things like SR a bit).
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I picked toy legs, went into skeletal and they have tights on. There are no tights picked in either leg category in skeletal
checked Robotic legs- they have Ravenswood tights auto picked. These are turning up in he robotic category too.
Changing Ice Barrier to an AD means the Glacier now has their lvl 35 pick between a 2nd AD and an irritating power instead of between two powers. Not sure how the other changes will effect this AT.
Changing Ice Barrier to an AD means the Glacier now has their lvl 35 pick between a 2nd AD and an irritating power instead of between two powers. Not sure how the other changes will effect this AT.
The hard frost nerf will hurt glaciers a little bit.
Chilled form should scale off of dex or ego. Not int. If it's scaling off of int in any way that's a bug.
Icy Embrace triggers off of chill, the tooltip has an error.
Icicle Spear should do an additional 10% damage per chill stack.
How come if this is a charge and activate time power , I can tap it? Doh, don't bother. I can do it others which have no notes about tap effects.
on a level 40 with no gear on. does about 140- 1200, non crit- tapping at R2
no it's because that's what you've listed it as,
Since ice is under the spotlight I posted a few frosty issues to the power bug report thread that I just checked. If you cryptic folk are still poking and refining ice Imma ask that you pretty please with sugar on top look at, at least the old "Trapped! not proccing on ice immobilizes" bug, I snagged Trapped! with my ice witch ages ago hoping to get a lot of mileage but was dismayed.
Also, could we please, have ice-structures out-living the spawned-off critter's demise? It gets in the way of juicy shatters.
Wow a new AT. And one that looks properly developed and well thought out. Hooray!!
However, my Glacier is one my favorite AT's. While I'm no longer gold, I still spend money on the game in other ways (costume bits, hideouts, etc..) So I really hope this isn't something that reduces choices for us Silvers. We still contribute to the game in other ways.
This look like the Glacier is getting a nerf to support it's new and shinier sibling. I realize that may not be intentional. But the Glacier is one of the more effective AT's, especially late game. And hard frost is a tool it relies on heavily. Well to those who know to select it.
Is the Glacier going to get some adjustments in it's power selections? Because right now it will have two AD's and a nerfed advantage.
If possible it would be nice if Glacier gets a choice at level level 6 between Ice Cage and the new ice energy unlock. With that EU the glacier could easily use Avalanche as it's main damage source, and with the debuff from Hard Forst it can do good damage even single target.
Changing Ice Barrier to an AD means the Glacier now has their lvl 35 pick between a 2nd AD and an irritating power instead of between two powers. Not sure how the other changes will effect this AT.
The hard frost nerf will hurt glaciers a little bit.
I Actually doubt it. for a tank that 20% resistance debuff is going to be significant.
I'm not sure becasue of how the math works out, but wouldn't a blanket 20% ressitance debuff maybe help the glacier? What I do with my Ice toon, both now that she's freeform and back with the Glacier was drop snowstorm then spam ice blast while the storm lingers, I'm not sure how efective that really is, but now snowstorm/Ice Cage/Other lingering ice damage sources will be beinfiting from Hard Frost so maybe it all evens out?
I'm sure the Glacier will be fine. The new debuff should help hold aggro and Ice Barrier is gaining a healing component that assists allies. There's other ATs that could use the help long before the Glacier does.
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The hard frost adjustment is interesting. Figured it'd get retrooled if ice ever got glanced at. Of course now it makes me half-curious what'd happen if I make a support ice character with Trapped!, Wither, and Vulnerability stacked on ice burst with the Freeze Dirtbag advantage (the one case where the specializations actually DO proc on ice effects) whilst tapping a hard frost and see how that'd play out....
Stillwant to know how we get the powers for Freeforms.
Running the new AT up to 40 or lockboxes, I expect.
God please don't make me have to level up an AT again.
What would be nice is if Gold Subscribers/LTS could just automatically have them. Like how Gold Subscription/LTS was advertised. Oh well.
Bleh, Its listed as a ranged archetype, so I suspect that its going to be based around the current model we have for gold archetypes, where freeforms get the AT and powers for free.
That being said, I would have much preferred The Icicle as an Awakened Archetype. The Automaton was the first time in 5 years that I felt rewarded for leveling a character (It goes under my personal scorecard that I leveled one on a 3 day XP weekend )
It sucks that everyone hated the concept so much, mostly because the first AT they attempted with it was poorly designed, a problem this AT does not appear to share. This AT would be a breeze to level.
Rewarding leveling should be a focal point of this game.
Rewarding leveling should be a focal point of this game.
I think it should be ONE of the focal points, but one of the main reasons I am a Gold Subscriber is so I can create the type of hero I want to based on choosing powers from the whole range of powersets, not being forced into playing an AT.
So guys, which is the full power progression of the new AT?
Innate - The Chiller (+5 CON, END & DEX, +3 REC) Primary Super Stat - DEX Secondary Super Stats - END & CON Spec Trees: Dexterity, Vindicator, and not sure of the lvl 30 tree
01 - Ice Shards 01 - Ice Blast 06 - Shatter 08 - Ice Form 11 - Wall of Ice OR Ice Cage 14 - Chilled Form (new form toggle) 17 - Icicle Spear (new attack) 21 - Ice Shield 25 - Icy Embrace (new energy unlock) 30 - Ice Sheath 35 - Ice Burst OR Frost Breath 40 - Rimefire Burst
Does this mean that the brainless Glacier spamming - thing in duels is history now? Because ever since the Ice power rework in 2011 (or was it in 2012?) the Glacier AT was pretty much overperforming, compared to other Archetypes.
The Glacier is one of the few AT's that actually playable late game. You can take into Rampages and Lairs. The same can't be said for the others. It's not that the Glacier is overperforming. It's that most AT's are so terribly built and useless outside of low level PVE.
Luckily it looks like this new AT was well-built. Hopefully, the others will get some kind of review soon.
The hard frost nerf will hurt glaciers a little bit.
I Actually doubt it. for a tank that 20% resistance debuff is going to be significant.
It's noticeable, ice blast is not as effective as classic mode, avalanche gets a nice buff using debuff. About 100point tap damage debuff increase in both cases testing really quickly.
Bugs icy embrace - Energy return only working on chill application (rather than existence as described ) ice barrier - requires energy ice blast - I see where your going with the debuff-attack combo, but the power choices on the Glacier are already underwhelming. So you've bugged a basic glacier power and playstyle (that already required setting up an effect) and limited the AT further
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"We also have a new Archetype for Silver Players: the Chiller!
The Chiller is a Ranged Archetype with Ice Powers, including the new Icicle Spear! The Chiller is available on the ZEN Store, or you can get it from the Toy Drive Store during the Winter Event!"
Looks like a new Fotm power in the making
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I picked toy legs, went into skeletal and they have tights on. There are no tights picked in either leg category in skeletal
checked Robotic legs- they have Ravenswood tights auto picked. These are turning up in he robotic category too.
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on a level 40 with no gear on. does about 140- 1200, non crit- tapping at R2
no it's because that's what you've listed it as,
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Also, could we please, have ice-structures out-living the spawned-off critter's demise? It gets in the way of juicy shatters.
However, my Glacier is one my favorite AT's. While I'm no longer gold, I still spend money on the game in other ways (costume bits, hideouts, etc..) So I really hope this isn't something that reduces choices for us Silvers. We still contribute to the game in other ways.
This look like the Glacier is getting a nerf to support it's new and shinier sibling.
Is the Glacier going to get some adjustments in it's power selections? Because right now it will have two AD's and a nerfed advantage.
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Running the new AT up to 40 or lockboxes, I expect.
What would be nice is if Gold Subscribers/LTS could just automatically have them. Like how Gold Subscription/LTS was advertised. Oh well.
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That being said, I would have much preferred The Icicle as an Awakened Archetype. The Automaton was the first time in 5 years that I felt rewarded for leveling a character (It goes under my personal scorecard that I leveled one on a 3 day XP weekend
It sucks that everyone hated the concept so much, mostly because the first AT they attempted with it was poorly designed, a problem this AT does not appear to share. This AT would be a breeze to level.
Rewarding leveling should be a focal point of this game.
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Primary Super Stat - DEX
Secondary Super Stats - END & CON
Spec Trees: Dexterity, Vindicator, and not sure of the lvl 30 tree
01 - Ice Shards
01 - Ice Blast
06 - Shatter
08 - Ice Form
11 - Wall of Ice OR Ice Cage
14 - Chilled Form (new form toggle)
17 - Icicle Spear (new attack)
21 - Ice Shield
25 - Icy Embrace (new energy unlock)
30 - Ice Sheath
35 - Ice Burst OR Frost Breath
40 - Rimefire Burst
Silver Players will be able to purchase the Chiller AT from Z-Store or earn it during Winter Event.
Pretty sure that can be backed up by one of the team.
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The "earn during event or buy it anytime" seems like a winner to me.
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So when does Automaton get converted to a regular AT and we get the powers automatically?
Please enlighten me.
Luckily it looks like this new AT was well-built. Hopefully, the others will get some kind of review soon.
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Bugs
icy embrace - Energy return only working on chill application (rather than existence as described )
ice barrier - requires energy
ice blast - I see where your going with the debuff-attack combo, but the power choices on the Glacier are already underwhelming. So you've bugged a basic glacier power and playstyle (that already required setting up an effect) and limited the AT further
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