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milliniumx
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Hello Cyforce here...Use to play this game all the time and PVP with all the original legends who dominated back in the day. I see alot has changed....So what powers are OP now ....lol. I still remember Xeno using Chainsaw a billion times.....and Tear Monger whip everyone.....What is good and what is the FOM now?
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People like to use STR primary with CON/INT secondaries most of the time. The reason for this is the introduction of the Specialization Tree system, and STR's spec tree is very strong for PvP since it can give you both high damage and survivability. It has a specific specialization(Juggernaut) to increase the amount of defense you receive for the amount of CON you have, so people stack CON to crazy amounts to receive a lot of defense.
It also has a spec to increase your critical severity based on your secondary superstats, so there you go, more damage from CON as well.
Speaking of CON, a very important power people use right now is Ego Surge with the Nimble Mind advantage. That lets you increase your crit chance based on your CON while it is up. So you combine that Juggernaut spec with Ego Surge for both high defense and high crit chance. This is on top of CON being important in the first place and it having no (or very little) diminishing returns, so there are no real downsides to stacking it as high as it can go most of the time.
A common passive used is Aura of Primal Majesty. Increases all of your superstats by a good amount. So now you've got even more CON, more STR, etc. It will bring your REC and END to very large numbers for not having them as actual superstats, so that gives you great energy management already. One big thing about AoPM is that the Balanced and Support roles (the two roles you can use it in) give you better damage and healing based on your superstats. AoPM boosts your superstats by a lot, so you can see where I'm getting with this. You also get high INT for your cooldowns and cost reduction, which leads me to my next point: MSA.
MSA, or Molecular Self Assembly is an energy unlock that scales with INT. Every time a power comes off cooldown, it procs and gives you energy every 3 seconds over 6 seconds (I think, at least).
Speaking of cooldowns, a very big part of PvP right now is using a few key powers that have cooldowns. Active Defenses along with Ego Surge mainly, but Conviction is another common one. Conviciton is a power in the Celestial tree that heals you for a small -> decent amount depending on how you're built, but it has a fairly low cost and very short cooldown. So there is a spammable self heal for you to proc MSA constantly.
Active Defenses: People normally like to cycle Masterful Dodge and Unbreakable to take little to no damage while they are up. A power to go with them is Nanobot Swarm to reduce the cooldown of all your powers to help with that. Some people also use Palliate since it can heal for a large amount and is not considered an Active Defense, therefore it won't share the cooldowns with Masterful Dodge (MD) and Unbreakable.
So, a big power to counter that is Shadow of Doubt. Shadow of Doubt applies an effect called Malaise, which increases the cooldowns of your targets powers by 15% (only if they're already on cooldown, however).
As for attacks: Some common ones are Ebon Ruin for its 100 ft spammable Trauma debuff, reducing your target's healing by half, and its decent spike damage. Rimefire Burst is common right now as well since it is instant and does enough damage to spike through Unbreakable. A common tactic with Rimefire Burst is to use it, use Nanobot Swarm to reset its cooldown, and then use it two more times back to back. Try it out if you have access to all of that, and you'll see what I mean.
More common attacks: Unleashed Rage - the ultimate from might that deals a large amount of sonic damage in a 15 ft AoE. Normally used in tandem with Strafing Run for a very large amount of burst.
Shadow Strike - an attack you get along with the passive Night Warrior, you can only use it from stealth for any real damage, but it deals a LOT of damage from stealth. People normally use it with Unleashed Rage. Some call it an exploit, but whatever. You use Unleashed Rage from stealth and use Shadow Strike immediately after and you will hit for well over 40k in spike damage before resistances are applied.
I'm probably missing a few things, but everything I mentioned is stuff people should know if they're going to be PvPing in my opnion. Can't really be quick and concise with that.
As a disclaimer: The original poster asked for what is "OP" right now, so I gave it to him.
P.S. - People use devices such as Neuroelectric Pulse Generator (NPG), Ice Grenades, Omicron Induced Strength, and Telekinetic Force Field Inducer to fill holes in their builds, to give them enough damage to actually kill other people, or both.
STR primary, CON and INT secondary. CON stacked fairly high.
There are now spec tree's: "FOTM" uses vindicator and warden with strength primary's tree to max out defense and offense while also getting good crit severity.
Ego surge gives the crit burst with it's advantage. Conviction with MSA for energy. Unbreakable and Masterful Dodge can be rotated with good enough CD reduction to make you very hard to kill and pretty much counter any damage that isn't a large burst.
Those are really the main things, I'm pretty sure they were probably mentioned by purin somewhere. There are a few viable attacks but you have to remember that against another "FOTM" build you need a high enough burst to break through the active defenses.
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Don't forget Teleiosarus Pheromones as well
And I get PUGed with this Frakenbuild in Alerts and Rampages more often than ATs!
If I write down the number of those Builds i came across the past 5 days... at this point I wouldn't be surprised if I get PUG with 4 Members who use the Exact same build
IT'S DISGUSTING
Though it uses a very different targeting method (a template you move around on the ground), it delivers high spike damage on a manageable cooldown.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
SR is at a point where it was slightly nerfed in comparison to UR when unbreakable was fixed. But yeah it is one of the viable spike powers. My build uses SR with Rimefire using ice form to buff it up. The thing is with my build is that if people are have a well built FOTM tank or they know how PvP in CO works (rotations) works then I'll most likely be unable to win the duel and usually I'll just jump out of the arena as it just ends up being boring with me hiding half the time. In BASH however my build works just as well as any other FOTM build, more so if I didn't always target the top scoring players and people with harder to kill builds.
SR is a good power to use however you aren't likely to one shot someone using it and it alone if they've got a well built PvP build.
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Tearmonger never ever came back unfortunately.
I'll give you a run down. You will find basically the majority of pvp builds to be exactly as Purin described above. About 95% of whats left of maybe 25 active pvpers use a combination or variation of the above mentioned. The real issue right now is the AD rotation that overlapes each other on AOPM toons, U NEED enough spike to get through Unbreakable or use Shadow of Doubt like Purin Said. This limits PVP builds to either go all out spike or use Shadow of Doubt rimfire builds.
I know u are a player who enjoy diversity and AE is working on rolling out some new melee stuff we've been working on for the last month. We've also made some new PA builds in NW that are rather funny, you're more than welcome back to up and we can help u with the gear and globals u will need.
contact @aztrape in game for ur tag.
It's so funny to see people coming over to the pvp subforums to hate pvp'ers.
Thanks for stopping by.
Who was that guy?
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Your normaly more sane than this
PvP players will use the best powers and items for PvP. This is true in all games take Mario Kart for example, most online players use Toad he is seen by far as the best pick also when you get a blue shell you use it right?
CO is no diffrent.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Limiting game-types to a single FFA map and ZA which by the way can just drink paint for all I care kills any potential for build creativity. I miss being able to take other types of toons into PvP back in the day and see success with them because depending on the map and circumstances builds like a healer or a dedicated tank for example actually had a legitimate use.
It's frustrating to consider the other game modes are right there and if they would just fix the year + old bug players could actually enjoy them again like they used to. It's not just the limited pool of ultimately effective powers that pigeonhole creativity. It sucks all the fun out of the game when there's so little variety as a direct result of this bug.
You can argue powers or gear all day long, but for me even if I were to try and come back to this game for some PvP for old times sakes, I'd log in on my outdated toon, see Bash is the only map that pops same as the last time I played, put my head in my hands, and cry.
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Which is pretty much why Diversity takes a back seat when you play with other people(mostly), Why I prefer Bots on the other hand, cause they can use anything. o.3.o
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
It validates their existence, somehow?
...But
\o/ Proud Luigi Player since MK64
Mario Kart doesn't have customization of any sort. You are invalid. u.u
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You've not played Mario Kart 8 then where you can use your own mii ALSO theres custom parts for karts.
Theres already "builds" flying about forums any ima finish wit this
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
dangit woman log in so I can stop hanging with the boring members.
mii customization is a joke u.u there's more customization in painting easter eggs.
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Mario Kart 8 (and 7 before it) has a significant amount of customization.
You can select different kart body, wheels and glider combinations to affect the amount of Speed (Land / Air / Water), Acceleration, Weight, Handling and Traction you want to have, including hidden stats like Mini-Turbo. Some kart setups are identical to each other if the player wants to retain said stats but what a different vehicle look. Even different characters in the roster have weight classes that affect these stats.
And yes, there are certain character and kart combos that are considered "top-tier" in the game. People do min-max in that game like what Nepht was saying. I should know. I've already clocked several hundred hours for MK8.
If you actually played the game or at minimum spent a minute on Google, you would already know this.
Are you being sarcastic here, or do you just have a really weird definition of the word "significant"? Having played those games, I can tell you there is no customization. Stop pretending just so you can have an argument Jenny.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/significant
sig·nif·i·cant
adjective \sig-ˈni-fi-kənt\
: large enough to be noticed or have an effect
: very important
: having a special or hidden meaning
Kart customization in those newer games I mentioned pretty much are important factors as to how you perform in a race, so no, I have no weird definition of the word at all. You sure you know what you're talking about?
Bottom line is that there's customization in the newer games of the Mario Kart franchise. You saying that Mario Kart has no customization of any sort wasn't true. I just pointed that out factually. You can keep blowing smoke all you want, it doesn't change that fact.
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I just listed how the definition applied to vehicle customization in MK8 affects stats and vehicle performance in races. It is an important ingame feature that affects winning / losing and is thus significant. This is a fact that disproves you saying that there isn't customization of any sort in Mario Kart. It's relevant to what Nepht was saying about selecting different kart parts and on the subject of people using the best builds in PVP in general. Are you being deliberately dense or have some inherent problem comprehending simple logic and straight-up facts?
You've conveniently deflected time and again and made no counter-arguments towards those points, and instead just resort to ad hominem. I'm also pretty convinced you've never touched MK8 because all you have been doing is talking out of your rear, like that unfounded BS accusation you've pulled out of it about how I hate PVP and such. I mean reeaaaaalllly spinny? Grasping at straws much?
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And you have the audacity to say that I'm trolling?
Actually you started the argument with your "are you being sarcastic" and "stop pretending to have an argument" BS. All I did in my initial post was point out that what you said was wrong with backed-up facts. It didn't matter what game was being referenced, even if it was Mario Kart. Continue acting like a major a-hat if you want Spinny, I'll respond appropiately.
here, you two in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uqSaoVG7B4
you are the little girls of course.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Good thing the rest of us PvP'ers have never resorted to that sort of thing
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT... Never.
You were expecting a regular conversation, BUT IT'S ME, DIO!
He was being sarcastic you doof u3u you know... that thing that you are all the time?
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ur ez. Get rekt.
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What is sarcasm? Does it taste good?
It tastes like bacon dipped in chocolate, and covered in nuts.
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Your just being a moron for the sake of being a moron now
7 and 8 have customization. BAD FOXI BAD! *hits Foxi on nose with newspaper*
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nepht's trollin' again uwu
You are the boy who cried wolf o3o ...er... girl... the boy who cried girl.
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Ima the herm that cried herm :P
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
You're claiming to be a dual-wielder after you threw away the one weapon you had u3u
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It's obvious. Neph is Japanese, so she can call upon it whenever she wants. The armor she gains as well is just a side effect.
She's not any of that. And none of that is true anywhere. Everything is lies.
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Lies. I've seen enough anime, I know how this goes.
Only half Japanese the other half is Dutch so I can only call apon the powers of Edam and Mild Bigotry.
Thaks for watching this has been another thread derailed by Conquer
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Jotaro Kujo is only half Japanese too, and he's one of the most powerful JoJos.
Logic invalid.
Please point to the part of my post that said Edam and Mild Bigotry wasnt powerful.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
We now call it FOtM. And what we usually do is derail topics in all forums.
THIS IS HOW WE PVP
He can do what a Stergios can,
Give taxonomic names for organisms,
Sterios Man, Stergios Man...
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