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novaninja555
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Honestly speaking, I am not a big fan of the whole "Dungeons&Dragons" concept but every mmorpg game I have seen other than CO, there are always D & Ds! Seriously speaking, I went to RIFT cuz of a suggestion and saw D & Ds. Neverwinter has D & Ds. Diablo has D & Ds.
If not D & Ds, huge robots and futuristic guns, better than D & Ds in my opinion but still...
Why is it that mmorpgs are so stereotyped? What started this off?
The only other game I play now other than CO when bored is LoL because of this -.- ! And that's not even mmorpg. Fun of course, but even if you rock in one match, it doesn't matter no more in the next match. A little like chess if you may say. Interesting but still....
So what do you guys think about this?
If not D & Ds, huge robots and futuristic guns, better than D & Ds in my opinion but still...
Why is it that mmorpgs are so stereotyped? What started this off?
The only other game I play now other than CO when bored is LoL because of this -.- ! And that's not even mmorpg. Fun of course, but even if you rock in one match, it doesn't matter no more in the next match. A little like chess if you may say. Interesting but still....
So what do you guys think about this?
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
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Elves, wizards, dwarves, barbarians. That lot. The players can be themselves.
*Cryptic you can title your next game this, thank me later.
R after what word?
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
D&D is a tabletop RPG that is credited with the being the birth of the modern RPG. Many games, including MMORPGs build on the basic ideas and mechanics from D&D.
LoL is a MOBA (multiplayer online battle arena).
Does this answer your question?
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
My question is not about LoL and D&D.
I am wondering why mmos (except CO maybe) are so stereotyped with D&Ds. Was there like some game which introduced this?
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Because LotR introduced this world... D&D made it come to life for everyone to be apart of.
Make sense? People role play and do battle and create their own character, in MMOs...D&D is the originators these games were based on (not the characters but idea)
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I mean the feature of D & Ds very commonly seen in mmos.
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Yep, it's called D&D.
Dungeons and Dragons popularized roleplaying in a fantasy setting, and when people started making rpgs for computers they were inspired by D&D. Then came stuff like Ultima Online, EQ, and WoW... all popular games based on the same old wizards and elves fantasy mold. Those games made money, game companies like to make money...making an MMO is costly and time consuming...therefore it is a safer bet to just to reuse the same formula that was successful in the past
D&D itself took most of its inspiration from Tolkien, Robert E Howard, and tabletop wargaming.
Most MMOs are fantasy-based because the first MMOs and most successful were fantasy-based..
The first computer games were far removed from what you might be used to now. PCs were less user friendly, so the users were generally "computer nerds".
The "computer nerds" also had other so-called nerdy qualities.
Like playing D&D.
So what sort of games might they like? Games that are similar to D&D, of course.
It's not that D&D was the only RPG out there, but it was certainly the most popular and easily the best known.
Even for people that played other RPGs, a casual observer would likely think that they were playing D&D, and most of the more successful RPGs were fantasy based, be it Runequest, MERP, Rolemaster... Even Hero Games, after their success with Champions, created the "Fantasy Hero" game, giving their system a fantasy flair for people more comfortable in that setting.
So that is why most MMOs are fantasy based. The tradition and track record is there for fantasy games.
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
But so driven are they to steal WoW's thunder that all else is ignored. They don't seem to see almost all 'WoW killers' have been a disaster. That there is the problem, too high expectations and too much trying to pull on WoW's legend. If they lowered the numbers of players they expected games like CO and such would be a great success. But they go crazy at the idea of millions of players. It is high time they saw WoW as a anomaly not the norm.
dont like it, make your own company and focus on non traditional genre MMO. Sadly you will almost certainly spend more then you make, flounder, end up a niche title, and pray to be bought out by some MMO titan who will just use your title to milk the fools who are dumb enough to invest in it even when the parent company wont.
Understand City of Heroes was the best the comic book fans ever had for a solid hero MMO with deep developed content, and a strong community, and it even did decently money making wise. Yet even that wasnt enough to keep the umbrella from killing it off.
Well, here's the thing. Most mmo players are geeks. Geeks tend to be into fantasy, and fantasy is easy to convert. People understand the classes, a wizard is a wizard and a cleric is a cleric, so it can be easily picked up and played.
Now, you might not count dcuo, but dcuo does count. It's an mmorpg, and it's about super heroes. Even if you don't like it, it still qualifies. Technically, so does the marvel mmo, because you don't *have* to have sprite customization in order to be an mmo. There's also The Secret World, although it takes a darker and more abstract approach to the super hero concept. However, even comic book sales are low right now. If it's not Avengers movie universe related, and it has to do with comics? It's probably not doing very well. You've got a niche hobby, them's the breaks.
Thing is, MMOs in general are kinda dying off. The rise of free to play, and the fact that even the big names are shedding millions of players, is pretty good proof of that. So, right now, people are going with what works. Fantasy's a proven seller.
There are quite a few other mmos in different genres if you're interested, though. PWE's beta testing swordsman, which I hear is good. EVE is all about the sci-fi space stuff, in fact there are quite a few of those. There are a TON of modern day themed mmos, a bunch of them zombie related (come onnnn h1z1).
I might be biased in all of this, though. Even if there were competition (and there is, DCUO is actually an mmo, regardless of what anyone says) I'd still be here. I left CoX a year and a half/2 years before it closed, because I liked CO quite a bit more.
RIP Caine
You can say that Marvel and DCUO don't count, but that doesn't make it so.
They are super-hero MMOs, just like CO.
CoH was mentioned. Great game. Had a lot of fun when I played it. Certainly more than CO as time has went on, but it's gone now.
Not perfect; They did some things that I wouldn't have done (especially with the benefit of hindsight), but a solid game.
You want a superhero game? You have three choices that I know of, even though you already said that you don't think that two of them count.
You want a sci-fi game? A lot of choices are out there, depending upon what you call "sci-fi", but Star Trek, EVE, Wildstar, and Star Wars all come to mind.
But as long as fantasy games make money, then fantasy games will be made. If you don't like it, don't play them, but don't expect other people not to just because you think that they are perpetuating a stereotype that you don't like.
Never in the world did I say that people shouldn't play D&D. I myself openly admit of playing them once (for about 5 years maybe?) before getting bored of the classic class system.
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Just because a concept is different doesn't mean it won't succeed. That's just blatant assumption. D&D was a concept different till it was introduced.
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Well, D&D-like fantasy settings have always been mainstream when it comes to MMOs. The MMO market pretty much decides what sort of MMOs are in demand. As of current fantasy MMORPGs are still the most marketable sort in the industry. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the mainstream audience that is creating that demand.
Non-fantasy MMOs have always seemed to appeal to a very niche market. EVE is arguably the most successful non-fantasy MMO so far and it's a rarity at that. MMOs like The Old Republic and RIFT both were hyped as the WoW-killers at the time and they fell flat on the hype. Same goes for Elder Scrolls Online. Only time will tell if Wildstar manages to be the next huge success story.
Thanks for this! Gonna check on EVE right now .
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
EVE is amazing. I was only there for a month or two due to time constraints but holy cow...endless ability to market/manipulate markets, constant threat of player attacks and resets (podding, which can revert you to a base clone with a previously purchased amount of skills), nice array of ships, train while you do stuff. Great game.
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Dang just checked on it... Everything would have gone great if it were not p2p
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Beggars can't be choosers.
You come here complaining about why there are so many fantasy MMOs but then aren't willing to pay for the type of game that you wish there were more of.
Really?
So 16 year old teen not allowed to pay for CPU Games is a beggar? Wow. Your English teacher must be so proud of you.
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Non-fantasy? Try STO or SW:TOR. Both space, both free. I gather TOR has ship combat now, too.
Honestly, if you're looking at free to play, your options do dry up a little. Free market economy in a nutshell, dude. You wanna maximize profits if you're giving it out for free, fantasy sells. Again I suggest checking out swordsman. Asian swordplay mmo, I've heard amazing things.
Point: Up until maybe the last year, CoX was pay to play as well. Even then, CO was your only option.
RIP Caine
"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
Another very strong suggestion is if you can arrange the 20-30 bucks for a one time purchase? The Secret World is my second mmo. That game is GREAT. No sub, either. You buy it, you own it.
RIP Caine