Why are people such grumpy groos?

mrhinkypunk

Why are so many people so grumpy about the update? It wasn't like you guys were expecting any update anyway.

I'll tell you what if the word "PvP" is ever mentioned in a CO update again I'd be ecstatic. I wouldn't care what it was all that I would care about was that the small team we have working on CO has managed to get something new made that we'll be able to play or will improve the game in some way. All I would care about is that maybe things are looking up for once.

So the next update will be to please everyone who doesn't like any grind. First they'll give out a bunch of new powers and give everyone a free respec. Then they'll give every a bunch of new costume pieces and show a cutscene where your character tanks the entire world of villainy at the same time and kills them all. I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a good update to me and even if you did have to run content to get them but the costumes were too easy to get most likely they'd end up like the new costumes from rampages which dropped way too frequently and they'd sell for a couple of G each.

Enjoy what you are getting and hope that we continue to have development like this on CO. This is only the beginning.

meedacthunist

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

So the next update will be to please everyone who doesn't like any grind. First they'll give out a bunch of new powers and give everyone a free respec. Then they'll give every a bunch of new costume pieces and show a cutscene where your character tanks the entire world of villainy at the same time and kills them all. [/I]I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a good update to me and even if you did have to run content to get them but the costumes were too easy to get most likely they'd end up like the new costumes from rampages which dropped way too frequently and they'd sell for a couple of G each.

People would complain about the cutscene anyway.

gandales

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Why are so many people so grumpy about the update? It wasn't like you guys were expecting any update anyway.

I'll tell you what if the word "PvP" is ever mentioned in a CO update again I'd be ecstatic. I wouldn't care what it was all that I would care about was that the small team we have working on CO has managed to get something new made that we'll be able to play or will improve the game in some way. All I would care about is that maybe things are looking up for once.

So the next update will be to please everyone who doesn't like any grind. First they'll give out a bunch of new powers and give everyone a free respec. Then they'll give every a bunch of new costume pieces and show a cutscene where your character tanks the entire world of villainy at the same time and kills them all. I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a good update to me and even if you did have to run content to get them but the costumes were too easy to get most likely they'd end up like the new costumes from rampages which dropped way too frequently and they'd sell for a couple of G each.

Enjoy what you are getting and hope that we continue to have development like this on CO. This is only the beginning.

Since yesterday, there has been a lot of speculation on the few instances of information we has been given so far. We should probably wait for more details before making a serious critic.

For me, I am giving a vote of confidence given that it seems to be at least better than last year updates. I think it is unrealistic to expect too different magniture of content release, but progressive improvements is something that shows not only that Cryptic North still care about CO
but also that they are trying to get back in the competition.

spinnytop

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Why are so many people so grumpy about the update? It wasn't like you guys were expecting any update anyway.

I'll tell you what if the word "PvP" is ever mentioned in a CO update again I'd be ecstatic. I wouldn't care what it was all that I would care about was that the small team we have working on CO has managed to get something new made that we'll be able to play or will improve the game in some way. All I would care about is that maybe things are looking up for once.

So the next update will be to please everyone who doesn't like any grind. First they'll give out a bunch of new powers and give everyone a free respec. Then they'll give every a bunch of new costume pieces and show a cutscene where your character tanks the entire world of villainy at the same time and kills them all. I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a good update to me and even if you did have to run content to get them but the costumes were too easy to get most likely they'd end up like the new costumes from rampages which dropped way too frequently and they'd sell for a couple of G each.

Enjoy what you are getting and hope that we continue to have development like this on CO. This is only the beginning.

You know how some people around here like to say "Some people complain just to complain, and they will complain no matter what"?

Well, people are lining up to identify themselves as the subjects of those statements.



Gus: I'm hungry, there's never anything to eat around here.

Barbara: I brought food, it's still in the car lemme go grab it.

Gus: Oh great, now I have to wait for food that's going to taste terrible and make me sick.

Barbara: *forcefeeds the food to Gus* ^_^

riverocean

In general, people are unhappy due to unrealistic expectations.

Their disappointment has nothing to do with anything they were supposedly promised. But everything to do with a conversation they are having in their own heads.

I'm actually happy with the direction this announcement seems to indicate. I don't expect huge "STO" style gigantic content updates. But if we continue to get regular updates along the lines of this latest announcements.. I'll be more than satisfied.

But then I have realistic expectations.

chalupaoffury

meedacthunist wrote: »

People would complain about the cutscene anyway.

*cutscene ends and gives everyone 1k globals and a free character slot that's automatically level 40*

"IT WAS UNSKIPPABLE! GOD I HATE THIS GAME".

spinnytop

chalupaoffury wrote: »

*cutscene ends and gives everyone 1k globals and a free character slot that's automatically level 40*

"IT WAS UNSKIPPABLE! GOD I HATE THIS GAME".

Oh great, now I have to farm rampages on the new character.


THANKS COBAMA.

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helbjorn

And then there's the opposite end of the spectrum where you have players whose expectations have been brought so low that the devs could literally relieve themselves in their hands and they would defend it to the death as "new content".

See, exaggeration is easy.

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mrhinkypunk

spinnytop wrote: »

You know how some people around here like to say "Some people complain just to complain, and they will complain no matter what"?

Well, people are lining up to identify themselves as the subjects of those statements.



Gus: I'm hungry, there's never anything to eat around here.

Barbara: I brought food, it's still in the car lemme go grab it.

Gus: Oh great, now I have to wait for food that's going to taste terrible and make me sick.

Barbara: *forcefeeds the food to Gus* ^_^

"OH GREAT NOW YOU ARE FORCING ME TO EAT THIS?"


Yup.

chalupaoffury

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mrhinkypunk

Lol calm down guys, I was just wondering why so many people were being so grumpy about this all. <_<

I can't wait for it to come onto the PTS, I hope we'll get to test the powers out also as most likely if we don't test the powers before they are put into the game they'll have some totally messed up exploit which will allow some crazy stuff to happen. Powers are always somewhere that bad things can come from to affect a lot of the game so yeah we need to be able to test those for sure.

spinnytop

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Lol calm down guys, I was just wondering why so many people were being so grumpy about this all. <_<

I can't wait for it to come onto the PTS, I hope we'll get to test the powers out also as most likely if we don't test the powers before they are put into the game they'll have some totally messed up exploit which will allow some crazy stuff to happen. Powers are always somewhere that bad things can come from to affect a lot of the game so yeah we need to be able to test those for sure.

I hope it never ends up on the PTS and that they instead got some money for actual professional testing and it's actually just going to drop to live one day fully tested for the sole purpose of making it as new as possible when it hits the community.

Even if it's only a one time expenditure.

kemmicals

I think people are mostly grumpy because this stuff isn't catering to their specific desires. This happens a lot regardless of what's being added. (See Gradii's posts above.)

mrhinkypunk

spinnytop wrote: »

I hope it never ends up on the PTS and that they instead got some money for actual professional testing and it's actually just going to drop to live one day fully tested for the sole purpose of making it as new as possible when it hits the community.

Even if it's only a one time expenditure.

They don't even have those on NW, they use the community to test everything over there too. <_<

spinnytop

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

They don't even have those on NW, they use the community to test everything over there too. <_<

People are grumpy because every time they try to dream YOU show up and tell them their dreams are wrong u3u

mrhinkypunk

spinnytop wrote: »

People are grumpy because every time they try to dream YOU show up and tell them their dreams are wrong u3u

2bad.

jerax1011

I assume that people are grumpy cause they haven't eaten any cheesecake for the day... but that could just be me :P

selphea

People are grumpy because they want to become photo memes on the intercats.

Gogo Grumpy Hoomin.

kojirohellfire

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Lol calm down guys, I was just wondering why so many people were being so grumpy about this all. <_<

I'm not sure what you mean. Aside from a few very vocal posters (you'll notice a large volume of the complaints are the same two or three people posting the same thing over and over again), I've only seen excitement that we're finally getting something that harkens back to the Comic Series and Adventure Packs of old.

chalupaoffury

kojirohellfire wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean. Aside from a few very vocal posters (you'll notice a large volume of the complaints are the same two or three people posting the same thing over and over again), I've only seen excitement that we're finally getting something that harkens back to the Comic Series and Adventure Packs of old.

Because when I finally see new content, I wanna ignore all of it and just latch on to the 2-3 things I don't like about it. Yesssssssss gooooooooooooooooooood. Let the hate flow through you.

chaelk

spinnytop wrote: »

You know how some people around here like to say "Some people complain just to complain, and they will complain no matter what"?

Well, people are lining up to identify themselves as the subjects of those statements.



Gus: I'm hungry, there's never anything to eat around here.

Barbara: I brought food, it's still in the car lemme go grab it.

Gus: Oh great, now I have to wait for food that's going to taste terrible and make me sick.

Barbara: *forcefeeds the food to Gus* ^_^

Close
Barbara(my name) NO problem, you get none. Hands out muffins to everyone else.

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I'm not worried about the new content. New AT to try (more alts) more powers to make up half arsed builds(more alts)
Need more costumes for more alts.

did I mention, I get to make more alts?

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biffsmackwell

Guys, if you have a problem with each other, just don't reply to each others' posts. Yes it's sad that we don't have an ignore feature, but just do it like you do in real life.

jonsills

Groo does not know the meaning of the word "grumpy"! Also the words "prevaricate", "mendicant", and "mulch".

theravenforce

I for one look forward to this update.

Despite this I find myself wondering how many things it'll break. It's sad I know. But I can't help thinking that something crazy may accompany it.

Like things breaking severely (Gravitar appearing in open world downtown) or something strange.

It hasn't come out yet...isn't on PTS either right now (though I am sure they are working to put it on asap)

So all this negativity is a waste of time, just be patient and test it out.

I don't see why we SHOULDNT have to "work" for access to new powers. Its not like the levelling will be that much different...as far as we know.

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tdits

I'm quite happy because a) Even with the LTS sale I was only mostly convinced that we'd ever get new content again. b) Finally, MECHANON! c) THIS IS JUST THE ANNIVERSARY EVENT!

And again, if they're actively tying to get us to play more ATs then they'll probably attempt to fix the ATs (but later). This update sounds like it's essentially made of win. I can hardly wait.

kemmicals

I don't really see leveling a new AT to be that big of a deal. You'll get experience with the powers, you'd feel that much better that you managed to get it that far and you'll be able to slap those powers onto whatever ultra dude bro toon you want after that.

Think of it as a little challenge rather than a slog.

theravenforce

gradii wrote: »

Pushing ATs on us will not.

However, we'll see how long they persist in this strategy after the complaints start rolling in from ALL players on LIVE, rather than a tiny sample.

Whether or not people actually level the AT, player feedback is player feedback.

Are you even aware of what powers this AT will have? Or how it will play?

Or did you just see the word "AT" and go off on one cause that very much seems like what is going on here. Which isn't a surprise but whatever.

I don't think level 40s will complain that they have something to do. Especially if it is NEW. (Even if it isn't new..it leads to a reward which is NEW)

Until you know exactly how this AT will play out, you're spamming threads with negative comments based on mountains of ZERO testing or evidence.

What will you do if player feedback is positive? In case you haven't noticed...the AT isn't the only thing we are getting out of this update.

mrhinkypunk

theravenforce wrote: »

Like things breaking severely (Gravitar appearing in open world downtown) or something strange.

They'd probably call that a feature...

And too be honest so would I.

theravenforce

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

They'd probably call that a feature...

And too be honest so would I.

It would be cool if it was planned. But if not a poor lvl 22-27s or so could be running around Downtown only to get this:

*Player X casually runs through Downtown...and is suddenly caught in a bubble*

"YOU JUST AREN'T MY TYPE!"

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

DED.

:eek:

biffsmackwell

theravenforce wrote: »

It would be cool if it was planned. But if not a poor lvl 22-27s or so could be running around Downtown only to get this:

*Player X casually runs through Downtown...and is suddenly caught in a bubble*

"YOU JUST AREN'T MY TYPE!"

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

DED.

:eek:

It was my very first day playing WoW. I'd just killed some pigs and spiders, saying farewell to Goldshire, happily strolling in to the capital city, walking over a bridge, just looking around at the scenerOH MY GOD, WHAT IS GOING ON, WHO ARE ALL THESE MONSTERS?!

It turns out the Horde players had decided to freaking raid the city, and here's me, a new little level 6 or so Warrior, scared to death that these guys were going to murder me for the rest of my life. It was absolutely amazing to watch. I ran around a corner and hoped that maybe none of them noticed me. (I didn't know that they couldn't attack me on my own home turf, but that's neither here nor there.) This happened over 8 years ago, and it's one of my fondest memories playing that game.

I think getting splatted by Gravitar's orange bubble while turning in some podunk mission at HairyCop guy and getting knocked clear over the city and landing on top of the WCOC building would be absolutely sensational. :biggrin:

helbjorn

theravenforce wrote: »

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

After that kind of hit, your character wouldn't respawn for a month.

tdits

theravenforce wrote: »

It would be cool if it was planned. But if not a poor lvl 22-27s or so could be running around Downtown only to get this:

*Player X casually runs through Downtown...and is suddenly caught in a bubble*

"YOU JUST AREN'T MY TYPE!"

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

DED.

:eek:

I fail to see the problem here. :cool:

lestylo

theravenforce wrote: »

It would be cool if it was planned. But if not a poor lvl 22-27s or so could be running around Downtown only to get this:

*Player X casually runs through Downtown...and is suddenly caught in a bubble*

"YOU JUST AREN'T MY TYPE!"

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

DED.

:eek:

That would be awesome. Some of my fondest memories in other mmos is going to an area with people far stronger than me and seeing how far I could go before getting one-shotted or randomly encountering an enemy far stronger than anything within that vicinity.

Also, it would be pretty cool if some of the stronger characters showed the same aggressiveness the monsters in Neverwinter do, some chasing you across the map like you insulted their mother.

spinnytop

chaelk wrote: »

Close
Barbara(my name) NO problem, you get none. Hands out muffins to everyone else.

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That's the thing though.. Gus is getting the food no matter how much he complains o3o

And I get the feeling Gus will only get more sour and complainy as he watches Gavin scarf it down with a big smile on his nose... I mean face.

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

They'd probably call that a feature...

And too be honest so would I.

I'd like to see them turn the entirety of the Millenium City into the Zombie Apocalypse hero game for a bit owo

Fond memories of the scourge invasion in wow and being a zombie....LOL BRENZ (~^3^)~

chaelk

biffsmackwell wrote: »

It was my very first day playing WoW. I'd just killed some pigs and spiders, saying farewell to Goldshire, happily strolling in to the capital city, walking over a bridge, just looking around at the scenerOH MY GOD, WHAT IS GOING ON, WHO ARE ALL THESE MONSTERS?!

It turns out the Horde players had decided to freaking raid the city, and here's me, a new little level 6 or so Warrior, scared to death that these guys were going to murder me for the rest of my life. It was absolutely amazing to watch. I ran around a corner and hoped that maybe none of them noticed me. (I didn't know that they couldn't attack me on my own home turf, but that's neither here nor there.) This happened over 8 years ago, and it's one of my fondest memories playing that game.

I think getting splatted by Gravitar's orange bubble while turning in some podunk mission at HairyCop guy and getting knocked clear over the city and landing on top of the WCOC building would be absolutely sensational. :biggrin:

you got to the city. I had a troll shaman plant their totems in front of the first mission giver and repeat slaughter all the couple of dozen level 1-6 players until they stopped respawning.

Strangely enough, this got so bad they had to block higher level characters form the start areas.

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Fun was getting the Fish in the enemy capital perk.
You see the low level horde players, watch you turn up go "uh oh" and then see you pull out a fishing rod and fish.
WE had a rule, no attacking anyone fishing in the capitals. That way everyone could get the perk done.
Doing anything else, you were fair game

bobj021960

theravenforce wrote: »

It would be cool if it was planned. But if not a poor lvl 22-27s or so could be running around Downtown only to get this:

*Player X casually runs through Downtown...and is suddenly caught in a bubble*

"YOU JUST AREN'T MY TYPE!"

[Combat (Self)] Gravitar deals 50,000,000 Crushing Damage to you with Force Detonation.

DED.

:eek:

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or a random Cosmic boss does invade RenCen in an unexpected Open Mission untill everyone killed it or a time limit expired.

jonsills

spinnytop wrote: »

Fond memories of the scourge invasion in wow and being a zombie....LOL BRENZ (~^3^)~

Unpleasant memories of the same event. A prolonged period during which I couldn't even try to play the game with my low-level character, because griefers were deliberately seeking out infection and then running en masse toward the regions of Stormwind where low-levels needed to be. Couldn't turn in missions, couldn't get missions, couldn't train, couldn't use the Bank or the AH, because everyone was always dead.

I sit out about half of Blood Moon as it is; make it citywide and my toons will have to vacate MC for the duration, which is a problem if I'd just rolled a new one. And if (as would almost certainly happen) some griefer team decided to cause zombification to spread beyond MC, into the other zones, I'd have to stop playing altogether for the duration. Not what I consider "fun".

You see, the idea is supposed to be that the heroes band together to defend the citizens from the onslaught of the monsters, kind of like Destroyer Day. But in both WoW and here, actual heroes seem to be pretty thin on the ground...

coneuronia

mrhinkypunk wrote: »

Why are so many people so grumpy about the update? It wasn't like you guys were expecting any update anyway.

I'll tell you what if the word "PvP" is ever mentioned in a CO update again I'd be ecstatic. I wouldn't care what it was all that I would care about was that the small team we have working on CO has managed to get something new made that we'll be able to play or will improve the game in some way. All I would care about is that maybe things are looking up for once.

So the next update will be to please everyone who doesn't like any grind. First they'll give out a bunch of new powers and give everyone a free respec. Then they'll give every a bunch of new costume pieces and show a cutscene where your character tanks the entire world of villainy at the same time and kills them all. I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a good update to me and even if you did have to run content to get them but the costumes were too easy to get most likely they'd end up like the new costumes from rampages which dropped way too frequently and they'd sell for a couple of G each.

Enjoy what you are getting and hope that we continue to have development like this on CO. This is only the beginning.

Be glad they don't mention PvP in an update. They did that in the last game I played and basically borked the entire system to make it better for PvErs, then both sides hated it and everyone moved to Tetris and TF2 or something.

This new update is awesome. I'll have more costume drops to sell for more G than they will sell in two weeks and I'll get new perks for my perk-erm...-"rhymes with abhor" Amelie Layclaire.
I was honestly just exepcting a Rampage or an Alert or something. :biggrin:

Also, pleae drop Gravitar in downtown. It looks like I need some of those salvage thingies to get the Drifter armors, so the more I can farm her the better my odds...right? >_>

spinnytop

jonsills wrote: »

Unpleasant memories of the same event. A prolonged period during which I couldn't even try to play the game with my low-level character, [...] But in both WoW and here, actual heroes seem to be pretty thin on the ground...

You would have been happier if you had just joined the fun u3u *nibbles on your brenz* Life's not all about leveling up!

And sometimes it's nice to not play the hero and instead play a grabby hands zombie! After all, none of the people doing any of the stuff you mentioned were technically doing anything wrong. It was an invasion, not a "play quietly and don't disturb anyone"-vasion..... >.>

meedacthunist

Very few ideas in mmos are as daft as invasion style worldwide events.

It's like you have a hour or two this day to play, you finally managed to log in to turn some quests, or do anything longtime planned and long overdue...

And you can't, because someone arbitrarily decided they have better idea what you are supposed to do with your precious time.

If you are in mood for events, everything is fine.

But if you are not, then it's damn annoying and just bad design.

Too often people don't care to remember that mmos are only games in virtual reality, but they are consuming real life time. It's not only game lost, but time. Depends of the game - subscription time as well.
And players plain pissed off by event that reduced their functional game nearly to zero will not be in mood to participate.

Good thing CO avoids this kind of design, as even Destroid Invasion is easily avoided.

chalupaoffury

haha barring those stupid event mobs hanging out around level 6 westside. God, who thought THAT was a good idea?

meedacthunist

chalupaoffury wrote: »

haha barring those stupid event mobs hanging out around level 6 westside. God, who thought THAT was a good idea?

I think just no dev memorised that scary mobs are triggered with level of a first player passing their spawn point.