Looking for a Tele/Ego build

helbjorn

One power set I have never dabbled in is Telekinesis/Telepathy. I have some interest in having a mentalist type character, but as a total noob in this area have no idea where to start, especially since the recent changes.

I would prefer to stay away from blade manifestations, though I'm certain I will be told that's where the real deeps are. My concept is a relatively high DPS mentalist-type character with decent survivability along the lines of Jean Grey/Phoenix.

Is that even possible nowadays? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

carrionbaggage

helbjorn wrote: »

I would prefer to stay away from blade manifestations, though I'm certain I will be told that's where the real deeps are.

Mental Storm combined with Ego Blast taps (with Mind Opener and Telepathic Reverberation) is one of the highest single-target DPS setups in the game. If you're hungry for damage, I would start with that as a foundation. With only 3 core powers, there's lots of room to adjust the build to personal preference.

monsterdaddy

carrionbaggage wrote: »

Mental Storm combined with Ego Blast taps (with Mind Opener and Telepathic Reverberation) is one of the highest single-target DPS setups in the game. If you're hungry for damage, I would start with that as a foundation. With only 3 core powers, there's lots of room to adjust the build to personal preference.

Absolutely correct. I made one recently that hits 6.3K dps. Just those two powers and add on some AO/ADs. One major problem -- in rampages if the TR are sprite graphics don't appear then no Mind Opener and no energy. HUGE BUG!!!

kelborne

My take on it

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Invincible
Level 6:
Level 9:
Level 12:
Level 15:
Level 18:
Level 21:

Powers:
Level 1: Psi Lash
Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Mind Opener)
Level 6: Telepathic Reverberation
Level 8: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Concentration
Level 14: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 17: Lock N Load (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Telekinetic Wave (Rank 2, Nailed to the Ground)
Level 29: Telekinetic Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge
Level 38:

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Acrobatics

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

carrionbaggage

I forgot to mention a few notes. These confused me when I first messed with Telepathy:

-Telepathic Reverberation scales with PRE, not EGO. The tooltip is wrong.

-Telekinetic Burst does not trigger Concentration.

-Many Telepathy attacks do not trigger Telepathic Reverberation. Make sure you try before you buy.

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flowcyto

Tele/Ego build? Well, the Telepathic route mentioned w/ Mind Opener is very good, albeit buggy and limited to 50ft cause TP Reverb is silly.

Other route that doesn't use TK blades and takes more Ego over Pres is TKA + TK Lance. Can use Ebon Ruin's debuff and Mental Storm to prop it up further; TK Maelstrom and/or TK Burst for AoE.

TP Reverb Template:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Presence (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Shrug It Off
Level 9: Showmanship
Level 12: Ascetic
Level 15: Finesse
Level 18: Shooter
Level 21: Acrobat

Powers:
Level 1: Psi Lash
Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Mind Opener)
Level 6: Telepathic Reverberation
Level 8: Concentration
Level 11: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Ego Sleep (Plagued by Nightmares)
Level 17: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 20: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Nyctophobia, Paranormal Paranoia)
Level 26: Summon Nightmare (Rank 2, Night Terror)
Level 29:
Level 32:
Level 35:
Level 38:

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Overseer: Administer (3/3)
Overseer: Ruthless (2/2)
Overseer: Trapped (3/3)
Overseer: Conservation (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)


TKA/TLK template:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Shooter
Level 9: Ascetic
Level 12: Acrobat
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Wordly
Level 21: Impresario

Powers:
Level 1: Kinetic Darts
Level 1: Telekinetic Assault (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Ego Reverberation
Level 8: Concentration
Level 11: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Telekinetic Burst (Rank 2, Sudden Impact)
Level 17: Telekinetic Lance (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 23: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Paranormal Paranoia)
Level 26: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2)
Level 32:
Level 35:
Level 38:

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

helbjorn

Thanks to everyone so far for their input. Lots of options, apparently.

I don't like the fact that TR is bugged presently, possibly limiting its usefulness in some content. The idea of a TK/ER build is an interesting alternative. Flow - does the TK build seem to hit as hard as the TP build? Is it as fun?

jaazaniah1

I've been wanting to revamp a TKA/TLK build and this looks interesting. I'm not very familiar with this set. I'm curious why you take Concentration over Mental Discipline?

flowcyto wrote: »

TKA/TLK template:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Shooter
Level 9: Ascetic
Level 12: Acrobat
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Wordly
Level 21: Impresario

Powers:
Level 1: Kinetic Darts
Level 1: Telekinetic Assault (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Ego Reverberation
Level 8: Concentration
Level 11: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Telekinetic Burst (Rank 2, Sudden Impact)
Level 17: Telekinetic Lance (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 23: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Paranormal Paranoia)
Level 26: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2)
Level 32:
Level 35:
Level 38:

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

flowcyto

helbjorn wrote: »

Thanks to everyone so far for their input. Lots of options, apparently.

I don't like the fact that TR is bugged presently, possibly limiting its usefulness in some content. The idea of a TK/ER build is an interesting alternative. Flow - does the TK build seem to hit as hard as the TP build? Is it as fun?

Oh, it hits hard too. TKL and TK Maelstrom are actually quite bursty when they crit- whereas the TK Reverb and Mind Opener build is more like a constant pressure of high dmg. TKA doesn't slouch either, as long as you get the full maintain since its a ramp-up.

Using my test char (read: not-great gear or stats- merc level w/ rank4's- but coming from the same 'base'), I quickly parsed out both builds I posted. TK Reverb build was about 4k dps, TKA/TKL build was about 4.5k (this is counting Nightmares for the TP spec, but not for the TK spec). The crit rng was favoring the TK parse (35% crit w/ Ego Blast vs. 56% for TKA and 70% for TKL), so its a bit inflated.

They're pretty similar, performance-wise, from what I've seen, but it can vary w/ the extras ya put in each build.

Main benefit of TKA/TKL is doing near optimal dmg from 100ft out (minus notably Mental Storm), and w/ no lockdown on TKA. TP Reverb, being what it is, doesn't have that freedom, but gearing some Pres does mean heals and CC are stronger as a side-benefit.

flowcyto

jaazaniah1 wrote: »

I've been wanting to revamp a TKA/TLK build and this looks interesting. I'm not very familiar with this set. I'm curious why you take Concentration over Mental Discipline?

Main reason is Ego stacking w/ Conc gives muuuch better energy return, and allows you to afford more non-TK stuff like ER, Mental Storm, and Conviction as long as you are keeping Ego Reverb going w/ Id Infusion or Ego Leech granting powers. In my current low-end setup w/ this build, changing to MDisp means I have to end build some even when just doing the basic TKA -> TKL combo and w/o gearing more energy stats; it gets even worse if I wanna add on other non-TK powers. Using Conc atm means I don't have to End build even when weaving ER/MS in.

And just quickly glancing at TKL's tooltip for its charge w/ the toggles atm:

3873 w/ R3 MDisp vs.
3472 @ 1x Conc
4055 @ 8x Conc

So, the damage is comparable once Conc is stacked (lower crit%, but higher base). MDisp will still pull ahead a bit in total due to the added flat crit, but its not a huge diff and I'd rather have the much higher energy gains (and MD only works for Ego dmg, besides).

theravenforce

Mental Discipline is usually better with Ego Blade builds in comparison to Ranged. That is not to say that it cannot excel at ranged, but Concentration may be preferred as you don't need to rank it up.

A couple of alternatives to these posted builds which for the most part are very well put together for Ego DPS...

Here's a couple which do pretty well for DPS as well:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Stealthy Mentalist! - RF

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Presence (Primary)
Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Radiant
Level 6: Indomitable
Level 9: Tireless
Level 12: Intimidating
Level 15: Showmanship
Level 18: Wordly
Level 21: Lasting Impression

Powers:
Level 1: Psi Lash
Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Mind Opener)
Level 6: Ego Sprites (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3, Silent Running)
Level 11: Telepathic Reverberation
Level 14: Telekinetic Wave (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Telekinetic Burst (Rank 2, Sudden Impact)
Level 20: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Ego Placate (Svengali's Guile)
Level 26: Manipulator
Level 29: Telekinetic Shield (Telekinetic Reinforcement)
Level 32: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge
Level 38: Mindful Reinforcement (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Teleportation
Level 35: Athletics

Specializations:
Presence: Dominion (2/2)
Presence: Grandeur (3/3)
Presence: Moment of Glory (3/3)
Presence: Vulnerability (2/2)
Sentinel: Torment (2/2)
Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
Sentinel: Moment of Need (1/3)
Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
Sentinel: Genesis (2/2)
Overseer: Administer (3/3)
Overseer: Ruthless (2/2)
Overseer: Trapped (3/3)
Overseer: Conservation (2/2)
Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)

NW's penetration works well with MS/Ego Blast setups. Mindful Reinforcement with PRE can give you some downtime in order to go back into stealth if need be. And of course there is your free of charge killing strike, namely shadow strike.

Because of the addition of TK Burst and Wave you could change to Ego Reverb IF the TP Reverb issue is too much (I'd advise against changing however).

Here's another:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Stealthy Telepath! - RF

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Presence (Primary)
Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Radiant
Level 6: Indomitable
Level 9: Tireless
Level 12: Intimidating
Level 15: Showmanship
Level 18: Wordly
Level 21: Lasting Impression

Powers:
Level 1: Psi Lash
Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Mind Opener)
Level 6: Ego Sprites (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3, Silent Running)
Level 11: Telepathic Reverberation
Level 14: Empathic Healing (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Ego Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Ego Placate (Svengali's Guile)
Level 26: Manipulator
Level 29: Telekinetic Shield (Telekinetic Reinforcement)
Level 32: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge
Level 38: Mindful Reinforcement (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Teleportation
Level 35: Athletics

Specializations:
Presence: Dominion (2/2)
Presence: Grandeur (3/3)
Presence: Moment of Glory (3/3)
Presence: Vulnerability (2/2)
Sentinel: Torment (2/2)
Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
Sentinel: Moment of Need (1/3)
Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
Sentinel: Genesis (2/2)
Overseer: Administer (3/3)
Overseer: Ruthless (2/2)
Overseer: Trapped (3/3)
Overseer: Conservation (2/2)
Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)

Pretty much same build but with more active healing and less TK (it's more of a straight telepathy build if you will. If you treat NW as a psychic shadow/cloak)

TK based build:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Psion The Psinister

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Indomitable
Level 9: Enduring
Level 12: Agile
Level 15: Shooter
Level 18: Acrobat
Level 21: Ascetic

Powers:
Level 1: Kinetic Darts
Level 1: Telekinetic Assault (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Ego Reverberation
Level 8: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Telekinetic Burst (Rank 2, Sudden Impact)
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Concentration
Level 20: Telekinetic Shield (Telekinetic Reinforcement)
Level 23: Telekinetic Wave (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Telekinetic Eruption (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Bountiful Chi Resurgence (Resurgent Reiki)
Level 32: Masterful Dodge
Level 35: Telekinetic Lance (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 38: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2)
Level 35: Power Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Locus (2/2)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

Very straight forward build which can be used to spam TK Bursts and TK Lances (5 spam of burst = 5 stacks and then fire off, rinse and repeat). Can be used in Hybrid or RDPS role.

TK Wave isn't at all necessary and can be replaced by Mental Storm to increase overall DPS if you really wanted to, but TK Wave is a lot of fun.

theravenforce

Just a quick thing...if you ever decided to dip into Ego Blades, you could potentially use TP Reverb since you'd be in melee range, just take TK burst with Ego Sprites and make sure targets are disoriented and watch the energy flow in...it's not a bad idea but there are other things which could work better (Like Telepathy/HW with Disorient combinations with DoT attacks which proc TP Reverb)


The only Telepathy attacks which do not proc TP Reverb off the top of my head are:

Mental Storm

Mental Leech

Shadow of Doubt

Mind Break

Master of the Mind powers

Mind Link

Psychic Vortex Single Mind advantage (could be wrong on this one..it's late so...yeah)

flowcyto

Very straight forward build which can be used to spam TK Bursts and TK Lances (5 spam of burst = 5 stacks and then fire off, rinse and repeat). Can be used in Hybrid or RDPS role.

This is fine for building 5 stacks from nothing (or just use TK Maelstrom in an AoE pull), but its a notable single-target dps drop to do this over TKA channeling once you get ID Infusion going from ur first TKL at 4-5 stacks. It also doesn't really help that TK Burst doesn't work w/ Concentration atm (and 50ft range vs. 100ft).

Trying this out (TK Burst to 5 stacks -> Lance, ER and MS rolling) gave me some energy issues w/ Burst's Conc bug and was about a 800-1k dps drop from the same build using TKA instead of TK Burst.


The basis of all those builds are good, though. The idea of mixing TP or TK w/ NW is pretty nifty.

theravenforce

flowcyto wrote: »

This is fine for building 5 stacks from nothing (or just use TK Maelstrom in an AoE pull), but its a notable single-target dps drop to do this over TKA channeling once you get ID Infusion going from ur first TKL at 4-5 stacks. It also doesn't really help that TK Burst doesn't work w/ Concentration atm (and 50ft range vs. 100ft).

That's purely to just gain Leech stacks and to apply disorient. You can do a more consistent DPS with TK Assault and gain plenty of energy and Leech stacks.

TK Burst being bugged does throw a spanner into the works, shame really.

flowcyto wrote: »

Trying this out (TK Burst to 5 stacks -> Lance, ER and MS rolling) gave me some energy issues w/ Burst's Conc bug and was about a 800-1k dps drop from the same build using TKA instead of TK Burst.

Hmm, energy issues? I don't have that on this build when I do this... I usually spam TK Burst three times then roll on with TK Assault, perhaps I should have stated that previously.

You can EASILY maintain good DPS and infinite energy with just TK Assault.

I didn't mean to imply TK bursting was the best source of DPS, just to gain stacks on a single target reliably if it's a boss or something.

flowcyto wrote: »

The basis of all those builds are good, though. The idea of mixing TP or TK w/ NW is pretty nifty.

Of course, you never know when you'll be hit by Mr. Sneaky the telepath :P

flowcyto

Hmm, energy issues? I don't have that on this build when I do this... I usually spam TK Burst three times then roll on with TK Assault, perhaps I should have stated that previously.

Well, my toon is using lower-end gear, and its also prob due to the Conc not behaving w/ TK Burst.

I didn't mean to imply TK bursting was the best source of DPS, just to gain stacks on a single target reliably if it's a boss or something.

That's what I figured, but I have seen that method suggested before, and I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't meant for sustained dps, but for quick starter stacking.