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xcaligax
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For too long now that PvE ( rampages and alerts ) have gotten everything to be tuned and balanced. With Justice Gear as a reward for rampages, and dueling and team dueling, there is little reason to go into the hero games aside from just "having fun".
I dont speak for the whole community, but as a player, I know that rewards are a heavy influence in having a player participate in a certain activity.
I ask that the developers please finally give some kind of gear/device rewards, and maybe even titles that show prestige among the players for participating in the Hero Games. The Hero Games are a core part of this game, that has been there since forever. I find it completely unacceptable for the developers to be completely ignoring it. Now I know the excuses are "We have other plans", and "At the moment, we have other projects". Those are not excuses, those are brush offs. This game is already rich "enough" with PvE related content. Having rewards exclusive too the hero games is, and I'm almost afraid to say it but, is necessary. Some will argue that this will only alienate those that do not wish to pvp if they want the rewards. That is tough luck. The hero games need life, and if the developers actually cared for the pvp base players of the game, they would of done something a LONG time ago. I do not want this message to fall on deaf ears.
So I ask the community, to please support this thread, asking for the developers to do something about the sad state of the hero games.
And to you forum moderators, I ask you to please do not move this thread to the pvp section. In this "Champions Online Discussion" section, more eyes look here than any other part of the CO forums. I want this message seen.
-Caliga
I dont speak for the whole community, but as a player, I know that rewards are a heavy influence in having a player participate in a certain activity.
I ask that the developers please finally give some kind of gear/device rewards, and maybe even titles that show prestige among the players for participating in the Hero Games. The Hero Games are a core part of this game, that has been there since forever. I find it completely unacceptable for the developers to be completely ignoring it. Now I know the excuses are "We have other plans", and "At the moment, we have other projects". Those are not excuses, those are brush offs. This game is already rich "enough" with PvE related content. Having rewards exclusive too the hero games is, and I'm almost afraid to say it but, is necessary. Some will argue that this will only alienate those that do not wish to pvp if they want the rewards. That is tough luck. The hero games need life, and if the developers actually cared for the pvp base players of the game, they would of done something a LONG time ago. I do not want this message to fall on deaf ears.
So I ask the community, to please support this thread, asking for the developers to do something about the sad state of the hero games.
And to you forum moderators, I ask you to please do not move this thread to the pvp section. In this "Champions Online Discussion" section, more eyes look here than any other part of the CO forums. I want this message seen.
-Caliga
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Let's hope they listen and start fixing Hero Games.
But I agree fully on this thread.
The thing is that fixing the queues will not be an easy thing to do but it would be nice to even have it looked at too be honest just to know that the devs do actually care about the issue.
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Then possibly a pvp-themed lockbox containing gear and mods relevant to pvp. Then, add new things in the hero games vendors. auras, gear, costumes, devices, action figures, heck even maybe vehicles? That's my two cents, for what it's worth.
I doubt them too much currently to have any hope but who knows, maybe they'll fix it eventually, the problem imo is that there is not enough communication with the devs to know what they're doing to fix/improve the game....
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Champions Online.. where we sell lockboxes by the dozen.
Odd because I have video of the queue kick bug from over a year ago...
I think fixing the queue system and the UI comes first, though- its just a basic feature of the game that's not working properly, and it affects both pvp and pve.
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as long as it's BOP and only usable in PvP.
Since the results of contests are PLAYER controlled.
Just because current players are honest, doesn't mean some future ones, won't think." Hey we can exploit this."
And if you want to earn it doing PvP, then it should be used for that. same as the current Justice gear, should NOT be useable for PvP
BOP. Only way to get them is to earn them. Encourage players , discourage farmers.
make your points cumulative ; either acct wide or between pairs or threes of characters.
costume sets specific to PvP. Not just ones not seen since On alert. Weapon skins would be very appropriate.
aura- (show off )
titles- the good , the bad and the I'm just too good.
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Special gear rewards for winning in PvP is a whole 'nother can of worms. (Things like titles, sure.)
But let's focus on the things we all agree on. It's past time for PvP to get some dev time. The Hero Games should, at a minimum, work properly.
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If you really want you could try one of those online petition thingys and send to TT or Jack or Trendy, or maybe make a post on their Facebook and try to get as many likes as possible. At least that'd be more visible to the decision makers.
Thing is, i'd be skeptical because the last time someone did that, which was for the Foundry I think, well... we still don't have a Foundry
But if it's basic system bugfixes I think you have a pretty good chance.
please fix, thank you.
The only gear I would like to be added to a pvp vendor is strong stealth sight secondary utility, with stats the same as vigilante gear. And a range of thematically appropriate nttg devices.
Also, passing this on to the new forum/community mod could be helpful. (@LaughingTrendy)
Wouldn't hurt, she seems at least open enough to listen to this problem.
Maybe she can be a go between?
Just a thought.
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Isn't that what alerts are for?
Haha yeap right on
Also, signed like mad on the original post. Hell, give it cool costumes. Then at least people will queue enough to unlock em.
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If all the already top of the game PvPers have the rewards new players and Non Pvp players will just gain a even greater wall to climb and could be even less willing to try to get into PvP.
That being said...Stealth slight does seem really needed here, though I have only done three of four Hero games and I can't really say For sure on Balancing points.
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What if the players that become zombies become like the actual zombies in the game, slow with low hp and only a few basic attacks, or is that still too much like real pvp? I think it would be more fun for the players who got defeated than standing around waiting for the match to end.
"They should get rid of PvP from hero games and make in PvE."
I don't really think that is the idea of all this. <_<
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Yea they're making good alerts suggestions though. *points towards PvE threads*
And most of all, they should fix the damned queue!
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You all know how much I hate to agree with this guy but I have to agree with all of the above.
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And pvp gear crossing over into pve (and vice versa) isn't necc a bad thing. Logically, the optimal pvp gear should not also be optimal for pve (and vice versa), but it doesn't really have to go much farther than that- what may matter more is if one type is much easier to obtain than the other (which shouldn't be true).
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It could totally fly - there's no Freeform MOBA at the moment :O
The present requirement for FotM Frankenbuilds in order to be dominant/competitive in PvP will keep it the tiny minority niche that it is. Fixing a few inconvenient bugs won't even come close to resuscitating it.
No, the sheer undying stubborness of the PvP Community will do more for that than these bug repairs...but they're bugs. The aforementioned PvP Queue Bugs are not only bad for Hero Games but for Alerts and Rampages as well(not to mention when these systems were copy/pasted to other Cryptic Games) since they use the same systems. I do not, in the least, find it unreasonable to fix a few bugs and then give the players the chance(no matter the outcome) to make a go of getting people involved in this particular aspect of the game.
Gradii: You're thinking of Robobo's proposed "Survival Maps." I believe Brou's thread "The Gallery of Lost Potential actually shows some of this but it's been a while and I could be mistaken. You might wish to do a little digging in that particular direction though.
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Totally agreed. Fix the queues first, or retool them completely. Whatever must be done to make Hero Games playable again. Rewards/incentives for participation WOULD be nice, but let's not rock the boat too much. One thing at a time.
However, at a minimum the queue needs to be fixed, so that people who want to use that part of the game, can. Or if that can't be done, institute the private queue system for it.
It's a section of the game unable to be used because of the bugs.
Rewards are a bonus.
but even some unique costume sets or ones which aren't normally available to Pc's would be good.
special mods like stealth/perc mods. Unlike the penetration/resistance ones, which didn't seem to do much.
titles- for winners and losers.... well you can think of a few titles for someone who keeps trying despite consistently losing. and keep it polite
what I'd like to see(and get others hit with) is choosable options;
each team picks
traps
mobs
effect zones
so that each team only knows some of what they are going to get hit with
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Isn't that, what 99% of this game is about? PvE? Because you just described an alert, in which the boss debuffs the player-team and the team members benefit from eachothers...
What PvP really needs is gear and devices, as people already mentioned. Preferably with set boni such as: Armor penetration (the long forgotten boohoo - does it still work, though - stat) as 2 piece set bonus and critical severity as 4 piece set bonus. (justice gear doesn't cut it, in my opinion due to it's terrible PvE-ish stats)
Oh and returning the queue limit to 5 instead of 10 would also help.
I would have to disagree and say there are still more options in CO build wise than in other games.
Technically in PvP it is "limited" and there are classes in a way with various changes one can do from the variations. Nothing is original everything has been used in PvP before however in every game people will use the best thing. In the new game wildstar there are massive FOTM builds and it is almost more limiting than CO PvP wise. The only thing that they have is the fact that not every class can take MD / conviction / unbreakable / ego surge / ascension with the travel power teleport no matter what their main TP was. This was an issue I faced in a previous thread however. People usually blame powers such as SR / UR / ER / 2GM for being the FOTM builds but they are merely different class choices that are viable in PvP.
The thing is that in a duel there is less viable options than in team PvP which creates the big problem where people think there is less viable builds than there actually is. If UTC / KOTH / SH were playable and there were more people in PvP for us to do team duels for then you may see the variation that you can get in a coPvP build.
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Sigh.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
Well can you suggest that in another thread instead of derailing this thread? :mad:
My sigh of irrelevance wasn't about you saying anything against PvP as you didn't.
However spamming an all for PvP thread with things that they should do instead of fixing PvP really isn't helpful, that's all. <_<
There is a lot of things they can do in PvE as well however in PvP we are not asking for new content. This is not a thread about new content to be added is what I am basically trying to say.
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Hero Games has 2 modes for PvEvP already.
You're purposely trying to derail a thread that's asking for some minor bug fixes with suggestions having nothing to do with any of the OP. I'm disappointed in you.
Heartwarming, it might get some hand claps or blog posts, but ultimately does nothing. This has been brought up in multiple threads over the past few years. If they were going to take action, they would have addressed this long ago.