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bludskarr
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Seems to me the primary disadvantage for melee is using a power slot to get in range for the rest of your powers. I feel that the best indicator of whether a toon is primarily ranged or melee is by looking at the energy builder they choose. So I'd like to suggest that at level 6 you get a free lunge if you have a melee energy builder (any lunge would be preferable to the one associated with the EB's framework, IMO)
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They are not asking that the melee EB be turned into a lunge as well.
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That said, new EBs that spawn a lunge power (like night warrior) would be nice.
You guys are missing the point. Have you ever used Night Warrior? If you don't want to, there's no reason you'd ever have to touch the Shadow Strike ability.
Same thing here. You take a melee EB, you get a free lunge ability. You don't want it? Don't ever use it. The game changes in no way for you.
I like this idea. As it is, there's no reason to ever take a melee EB...ranged EB are always better.
Maybe the "free" lunge should be a basic one. In the same way everybody gets a basic block power, every melee would get a basic lunge. A basic lunge would lunge you forward and have no other effects. If you wanted a fancier lunge, you could certainly take one the way you can do now.
You don't get it... if a melee energy builder is in "always on" mode it drains energy from the nearest enemy via the "taunt" mechanic meaning you build energy before the actual attack, the energy builder aspect is ranged, the attack is melee.
So, *SIGNED*.
Those can happen now but doesn't spike hard unless melee player also using UR.
Dragon uppercut x 3+ UR spike very much but also need high REC to do it.
Most of Marshal Arts attacks are totally dead so far now.
Then don't put it on your tool bar I guess.
New effects for old powers
More EXP for Adventure Packs please.
Of course, each of the Martial Arts sets needs to have their own distant lunge. Thunderbolt Lunge doesn't quite fit for all weapon users. We have the animations already, Ego Blade Lunge's animations already fit for Single and Dual Blades, and we can add the Fighting Claws weapon to Might's lunge animation. I've even got a thread somewhere... someone should go find it so it can be ignored some more. :rolleyes:
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Great! You don't ever have to use it.
Why, that's very interesting stuff, chuckwolf. What's it got to do with this thread, though? I'm missing how it ties in.
I have no idea what this means. You already have the ability to chose your lunge. You already have to fill a power slot to take a lunge. If you don't want a free "basic" lunge, you don't have to use it. What's the loss here?
And you'll have to define "frankenbuilder" for me. I would have thought Frankenstein's monster was pretty unified, thematically.
One "problem" for melee EBs is that almost any theme can use a ranged EB. Anyone with super strength, for instance, can use Wield Earth over Clobber, since it's hard to find super-strength supers who don't throw things. Martial artists who use Qi could use Force Bolts or Wind Lash or whatever. It's tempting when ranged EBs are so much easier to use.
Simple, the only reason to ever use your energy builder is to Build Energy to use one of your more powerful attacks, if the energy builder works at range and in most cases, draws in melee enemies. Why should there be a lunge attached to it? If I'm melee I'm attacking with my most effective power, not my energy builder unless I'm up close and out of energy. That and the mechanic would just be all wrong, the last thing I want is for my character to suddenly leap at the nearest enemy every time one gets in range.
Yeah, I think that's a bad idea, too. But just having a "free" basic lunge like we all have a "free" basic block would be pretty cool.
I like this idea!
Lunges should have been available by Default, (even for range Characters I Don't mind, it's not like you are forced to use it)
I always find my self saying "Wow if it wasn't for the Lunge, I could have picked some other power to fit this Melee theme"
Also some more variety for Lunges would be nice, I'm gonna reference Bluhman's Elemental Mini-sets thread which contains some nice Elemental Lunge attacks
I find that Gamepad is more comfortable for this game!
It has this Action-fast paste Feel, and camera rotation
You are free form, do whatever the hell you want.
Because when you team up with people your melee energy builder/attacks with no lunge make the game really boring, since the range attackers wipe out the enemies before your slow as molasses butt can get to a target. Especially with most of the noobs choosing flight as a power with their melee, these people can't even see whats going on around them half the time.
The difference in attack range gets even worse if there is any level/side kicking difference involved or if there is some kind of knockback power then it gets even more pathetic, as the player runs up to punch/stab something, and then the target gets blown 15 feet away, murdered by fall damage before Sir Slowfist can re-engage.
No, his idea would be that the lunge is a seperate power that you get free with your melee energy builder. Like when you get Stealth and Shadow Strike when you pilck up Night Warrior.
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I don't necessarily have a problem with this, but, aside from Void Shift, wouldn't it make more sense to attach the lunge to the Energy Builder from it's set? If they'd add melee powers including an energy builder to Darkness then Void Shift wouldn't even be an issue.
Unarmed has two Lunges and two Energy Builders so each one could have a different lunge.
PS. This could just be my desire to get my Dark/WP Scrapper back talking.
PPS. Just imagine, a Combo power that procs fear on third hit and does dimensional damage.
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For example, I'm a might tank that uses Invuln and 100 hands, So I have to use Clobber, Mighty Leap, and Retaliation before I can branch out into other frameworks.
Otherwise I don't understand why would be necessary?
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Those aren't basic lunges--they all have advantages and bonus abilities. There isn't a basic lunge in the game ATM. A BASIC lunge would be equivalent to a basic block -- it lunges, and that's all. No advantages, no special powers.
Giving this for free would help some melee builds without changing the balance of power in any great way.
Why would you feel cheated? Do you feel cheated because you have to have 2 blocks to get the visual effect you want?
They're not basic. They have advantages. You might not think those advantages are worth having, but other people do.
Partly I liked the symmetry--basic block, advanced blocks. Basic lunge (currently missing), advanced lunges.
Also I didn't think making all lunges tier 0 would be necessary to balance melee and ranged EBs, which is where this thread started. A "basic" lunge with no advantages would be enough to balance them.
I don't know...do people currently forget about regular blocks because there's a free basic block?
I guess we're just disagreeing on what's required to balance melee EBs.
I guess because having a free "basic lunge" with a melee EB would make for more interesting decisions. Do you stay with the "basic lunge" and use the free slot for something else? Or do you burn a slot to take a more advanced lunge?
If on the other hand you get a whole free lunge power for taking a melee EB then you've killed some variety.
Your way makes melee EBs more powerful. My way leads to a more interesting decision and, I think, is all that's requried to balance melee EBs and ranged EBs.
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